--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEZ00005Date: 10/29/97 From: DAVID WILSON Time: 10:07am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Saw Palmetto >> David, could you explain further what the 4:1 extract means? Thanks. George. The berries are pulverized and then extracted with a solvent such as alcohol. That extraction is then concentrated by evaporation until the concentration of the active ingredient is four times that of the dried berries. In the case of Seronea Repens, studies in Germany confirm that little or nothing is lost in the process. Thus, my 800 mg of "4:1 extract" (5 gelcaps) is equivalent to taking 3200 mg (3.2 grams) of dried berry. Responsible producers are more and more using controlled and standardized extractions for commercial preparations of almost all herbs. Standard extractions are often offered in the liquid form, dispensed by eyedropper or teaspoon. These are referred to as tinctures. --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: IC_STARS BBS * Madawaska,ME USA* 207-728-6427 (1:326/438) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEZ00006Date: 10/27/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 08:13am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: ADD and ADHD ALEX VASAUSKAS was thinking about ADD and ADHD and keyed into cyberspace: AV> CL> Has anyone here had any success in using herbs to treat AV> CL> attention-deficit disorder (ADD) and ADD with hyperactivity AV> CL> (ADDH)? I would be especially interested for any anecdotal AV> CL> evidence dealing with treating adults who struggle with the AV> CL> syndrome. AV>Here's some info I found: AV>From: AV>Medicinal herb FAQ - part 4 of 7 AV>http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed Henriette's Herbal Homepage AV>mediherb.html AV>[...] AV>========== BEGIN AV>2.2.9 Herbs, ADD, and replacing Ritalin AV>----- AV>>Does anyone know of any viable substitutes for Ritalin for ADD? I AV>have heard of a substance called Pycnogenol. Are there any other AV>substitutes for taking Ritalin? How long does a person need to take AV>Pycnogenol in order for it to take effect? AV>From herbal@got.net (Roy Upton): AV>I have seen at least 70 children weaned of Ritalin. I usually AV>recommend weaning off of Ritalin for a 2-3 week period, while AV>administering the herbs. "Weaning" implies addiction. Prescriptive doses of methylphenidate are not addictive. The pharmaceutical has a serum half life of four hours. The biggest problem that people have is remembering to take their medication. I wonder what the motive of this critter is? Usually, the program consists of dietary AV>modification, exercise, and nutritional and herbal supplementation. AV>Though treatment is similar, differentiate between ADD and ADHD. ADD AV>might be a direct result of under/poor nourishment. Not the term "might be". It is not the result of poor nutrition. Hundreds of clinical studies have shown that diet plays not role in causing AD(H)D and a small role in degree of symptomatology. ADD and ADHD have the same genetic causes. The brain is the AV>most energy intensive organ of the body. If the body is deprived of AV>energy, the brain is first to suffer. Actually, this is exactly opposite of how the body works. Example: a person is in a frozen mountain pass. To conserve body heat, the body slows down circulation to the extremities, since the abdominal organs and brain need the heat more than the extremities, the body stops heating them. I have been in this exact situation. In ADHD there is often a rapid AV>heart beat that may have varying underlying causes such as specific AV>allergies. No connection between rapid heart beat and ADHD has ever been discussed by any scientific journal. AV>DIETARY AV>* Elimination of most simple sugars including fruit juices, foods AV>with colors and preservatives. Concentrate on a whole foods diet. Debunked more times than I have hair on my head. AV>* Magnesium supplementation. Dosage based on weight, age of child. Never shown to be effective in clinical trials. AV>* I have used a combination of the following herbs with significant AV>success (according to parents and teachers): Chinese zizyphus, AV>chamomile, lemon balm, catnip, hawthorn berry, and gotu kola flavored AV>with cinnamon, anise, and a touch of cloves. Usually this is prepared AV>as a glycerite extract (approx. 1:3-1:5 concentration). 20 drops 2-3 AV>daily. I alternate this with Hawthorn berry syrup, 1 tsp 2 x daily. Never shown to be even slightly effective for ADHD. AV>* Exercise is a must for ADHD. Exercise is a must for everyone. So, what's so special about ADHD? AV>In Germany, Chamomile tea, and small doses of valerian root are AV>utilized. (Continued next message...) The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEZ00007Date: 10/29/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 05:50am \/To: HARRIET LEVY (Read 1 times) Subj: ADD and ADHD HARRIET LEVY was thinking about ADD and ADHD and keyed into cyberspace: HL>On (25 Oct 97) Alex Vasauskas wrote to All... HL> AV> Craig Loewen wrote in a message to All: HL> CL> Has anyone here had any success in using herbs to treat HL> CL> attention-deficit disorder (ADD) and ADD with hyperactivity HL> CL> (ADDH)? I would be especially interested for any anecdotal HL> CL> evidence dealing with treating adults who struggle with the HL> CL> syndrome. HL>My partner is getting incredible results using St. John's Wort for HL>ADD. We'd read something in a mainstream newspaper about some HL>studies being done on just that, seems SJW works on the dopamine HL>receptors, so he decided to try it. What he's found is that he's HL>more able to focus, is less distractable. HL>He's taking 600mg in the morning and 300 at lunch, this seems to work HL>best for him. SJW is a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor and has never been shown to affect dopamine receptors. SJW may help the ADDer, not ADHDer, who has an element of depression due to years of improper treatment or no treatment with appropriate meds. (Many adult ADDers are depressed due to years of failure and difficulties overcoming their problems. This is why real effective treatment is needed as a child.) The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEZ00008Date: 10/29/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 02:57pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ADD and ADHD DIA SPRIGGS was thinking about Re: ADD and ADHD and keyed into cyberspace: DS>Also pycnogenol has proven extemely effective in treating this; some DS>Calif. drs. have taken children off ritalin totally with the use of DS>it. Dia, that is just not true. Pycnogenol has never been shown to be even slightly effective in treating ADHD. One of the leading researchers in the world on Pycnogenol (a trademarked product) is a Richard Passwater, Ph. D. Dr. Passwater has written and researched this extensively, and in all of his writings, he makes absolutely no mention of Pycnogenol being useful in treating ADHD. If you surf the web, you will find dozens of MLM sales sites where they tout Pycnogenol as the end all of treatments for ADHD. However, when you ask for PROOF, other than anecdotal (of somewhat dubious veracity), you get none. In alt.support.attn-deficit, Pycnogenol salescritters regularly pop up. Their sales pitches consist of variants of several basic stories, but are all essentially the same. There is NO credible evidence that Pycnogenol should affect dopamine transport in the brain. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEZ00009Date: 10/27/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:54am \/To: ANN YOUNG (Read 1 times) Subj: cloning? ANN YOUNG was thinking about cloning? and keyed into cyberspace: AY>Did anyone watch the new's about tis scientist who's cloning AY>tadpole's headless Yes. Some of those headless tadpoles even post messages here. :) AY>one's at that so in the future to clone headless people to that AY>people that need transplant's the body wont reject it as it's got AY>their D.N.A & all that other stuff as there's not enough donors out AY>there? what ya think about that? We do not need headless people. We already have them. Politicians. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EE^00000Date: 10/28/97 From: LEAH ROZHON Time: 08:07pm \/To: SHARON MCCORMICK (Read 1 times) Subj: Green Tea *[Quoting Sharon Mccormick to Leah Rozhon] On 10-26-97 10:09, [About Green Tea]* SM> I can't help you on which would be ok in brand names...I bought a box SM> of the Lipton, and it tastes good (g) I got Lipton, too. It's flavored with orange, passionfruit, and jasmine. So I wondered if that's why it tastes good and if it's just as effective. :-) Leah ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Star Spawn BBS (1:115/477.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EE^00001Date: 10/30/97 From: GAYLE LICARI Time: 05:45pm \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Don quai Hi Alex, Thank you for the info. I believe because the properties of thinning of the blood may account for the help with the eyes. From Linda Rector-Page secondary uses: as nutritive and strengthener for the blood. as part of a blood balancing formula that can help ringing in the ears, heart palpitations, and blurred vision.... Have you had success growing donq quai. I grew Sun Flower seeds for the first time and did quite well. I agree if I can grow it I would prefer to that way I would know the purity. Any tips I would appreciate. Gayle --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Library COM -* Reno, NV USA *- (702) 785-4191 (1:213/742) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EE^00002Date: 10/30/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 01:57am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Ban on Supplements? *** Write Congress to EXEMPT dietary supplements from the "harmonization" section of the FDA Reform Bill (S. 830 / HR 1411) **** -=> Quoting Jaladev@hotmail.com to <=- Ja> Subject: ILLEGALITY OF MOST HERBS, VITAMINS, & SUPPLEMENTS IN USA Ja> MAY BE REALITY SOON!! Ja> Reply-To: jaladev@hotmail.com Ja> Newsgroups: alt.health Ja> The FDA Reform Bill (S.830/HR 1411) blitzed through both houses of Ja> Congress earlier this month (October '97) with minimum/no discussion. Ja> It contains language recommending "harmonization" of U.S. law with that Ja> of the European Union, where herbs and non-RDA dietary supplements are Ja> regulated as drugs. Please contact your Congresspeople and the members Ja> of the Congressional Conference committee currently finalizing the Ja> version of this bill that will be sent to the President, and ask them Ja> to amend the "harmonization" section to EXEMPT dietary supplements and Ja> herbs. Members of the Conference committee are: Senators Jeffords, Ja> Coats, Gregg, Frist, DeWine, Kennedy, Dodd, Harkin, and Mikulsky Ja> Addresses, phone & fax #'s, e-mail addresses, etc. are available from Ja> the Library of Congress's website: Ja> Ja> More information on the "harmonization" issue is available by using Ja> Webcrawler, Metacrawler, etc. to search for "Codex and Dietary Ja> Supplements", "Codex and Herbs", etc. Any questions, more info., Ja> please e-mail me!! Ja> Thanks and best wishes to all, Ja> Sharon, c/o End of message ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EE^00003Date: 10/29/97 From: MARY-ANNE WISE Time: 07:11pm \/To: HARRIET LEVY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Alternative Medicine Monday October 27 1997 18:27, Harriet Levy wrote to Dia Spriggs: HL> We're doing a combination of Reiki, done in the conventional mode of HL> daily sessions, with a some TT, Chakra cleansing/balancing and crystal HL> work, combined with visualization and talk. Awesome.. .it sounds like you do similar healing to myself.. I haven't taken Reiki yet, but it's on the list... I do Healing Touch which is TT with chakra cleansing/balancing, aura cleaning and crystal work combined... :) It's great to find someone that has followed a similar path... fun, isn't it? ;-) I was speaking with a friend of mine that started into it, but is changing her direction and said that with all the soul searching and things you have to deal with personally, it's amazing that anyone does this.. ;-) Mary-Anne mwise@imag.net ...When I don't believe that what I have to say is important, that is my problem. --- GoldED/2 v2.50 B1016 The Eclectic Lab * Origin: Eclectic Lab-The Holistic Lifestyle Board [604]524-9046 1:153/831) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EE^00004Date: 10/29/97 From: MARY-ANNE WISE Time: 07:15pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Expiration Warning Tuesday October 28 1997 15:40, Dia Spriggs wrote to Mary-Anne Wise: >> big time... I'm amazed at the increase in my sensitivity to >> things.. although sometimes I regret it.. Occasionally you >> run into people with big problems and the effect on a >> sensitive person can be... uncomfortable.. DS> DS> Yup....especially if you find out you're an empath also which is DS> something I've concluded I'm blessed/cursed with. You may even find DS> yourself being in a crowd uncomfortable..too many vibes going DS> on....turning it off is the trick....if possible.. isn't it a drag sometimes... I've always hated crowded places.. Have you done energy work, Dia? Right now I'm sitting in a developmental circle to learn how to protect myself and regulate my auric field... it's fascinating stuff.. :) Mary-Anne mwise@imag.net ...The nice things about housework, of course, is that it doesn't go away. We can go ahead and do some of our creative work or soak in the tub, and it will be there waiting whenever we come back to it. --- GoldED/2 v2.50 B1016 The Eclectic Lab * Origin: Eclectic Lab-The Holistic Lifestyle Board [604]524-9046 1:153/831)