--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEQ00011Date: 10/18/97 From: HARRIET LEVY Time: 09:26am \/To: MEG UMANS (Read 1 times) Subj: St. John's Wort On (17 Oct 97) Meg Umans wrote to Sue Alexander... -> SA>MP> The three-year study will involve 336 patients with major -> SA>MP> depression, of whom one-third will receive a 900 milligram -> (mg) SA>MP> daily dose of St. John's wort, one-third will receive a -> placebo, SA>MP> and one-third will receive a selective serotonin -> reuptake SA>MP> inhibitor. -> I was actually trying to figure out if they were really trying to -> test it -> or setting it up for failure. From your answer, I presume you can't -> help me...oh, well. MU> Sounds like a setup to me, Sue. Note that the people in the trial are MU> people with major depression. St. John's Wort has been demonstrated MU> elsewhere to work for people with minor depression. To me too. St. John's Wort works for minor to moderate depression. Hell, SSRI's, frequently don't work for major depresion. Just another example of the U.S. govt, acting hand in hand with the AMA and the big pharmaceutical companies. ... Just another stalled car on the information superhighway.... --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: The Hawk's Nest (1:2604/539.40) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEQ00012Date: 10/21/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 01:53am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Garlic -=> Quoting Alex Vasauskas to All <=- AV> From: AV> Mother Nature's General Store AV> http://www.mothernature.com AV> Garlic (Allium sativum) / HU SUAN AV> Facts from Dr. Earl Mindell's, "Herb Bible" AV> Garlic may be the wonder drug of the herbal world. The ancient AV> Egyptians not only worshipped garlic but fed it to their slaves AV> to keep them healthy, for good reason. This amazing herb does AV> everything from aid in the treatment of ear infections to help AV> prevent heart disease and cancer. It has even been to treat AV> tuberculosis, with good results. Biologist Louis Pasteur put garlic AV> to the test by putting a few cloves in a petri dish full of AV> bacteria. Much to his suprise, he discovered that garlic could AV> indeed kill troublesome microorganisms. Alex, it has been said that is garlic is the poor person's penicillin. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEQ00013Date: 10/21/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 01:53am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Garlic 2 -=> Quoting Alex Vasauskas to All <=- AV> Garlic: The Great Protector AV> By Sly Holladay AV> Herbs are plants which possess some of the qualities of food and AV> some of the properties of drugs. A perfect example of this is the AV> well-known culinary and medicinal herb Garlic (Allium sativum). AV> Garlic has been used since the days of the Egyptians to treat AV> wounds, infections, tumors, and intestinal parasites. In addition, AV> this pungent plant is a common ingredient of soups and stews, as AV> well as Italian and Greek dishes such as pesto and spanikopita. Alex, thanks for your info on garlic. Question: Do you have the same type of info on the onion herb, which is related to garlic. If so, please post. Thanks. George. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EER00000Date: 10/18/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 01:06pm \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Expiration Warning TY MEISSNER was thinking about Re: Expiration Warning and keyed into cyberspace: TM>-=> On 10-16-97 15:09, Steve Kemp typed to Sue Alexander <=- TM>-=> Re: Expiration Warning <=- TM> Hi Steve, TM> SA>SK> Well, debate is often worthwhile. Constant agreement is not TM> SA>SK> something that is. Especially in an echo where debate and/or TM> SA>SK> disagreement has health of humans as its goal. "Here, take TM> SA>SK> this" is not something that is a very bright idea to blindly TM> SA>SK> say...or to blindly follow. TM> SA> However, debate follows rules and is constructive. The TM> SA>rules to follow are those set up by the moderator, who has TM> SA>listed areas that are off-topic. There is at least one that I TM> SA>have seen you constantly are trying to nag, bully, and generally TM> SA>insult your way back into. TM> SK> Nope, I don't want to get MJ back into the discussion. It is the TM> SK> way that the moderator banned it that is my concern. TM> SA> I think that Dia, while often reluctant to cut a person's TM> SA>feed for the echo, has done her job trying to get this echo back TM> SA>on track. TM> SK> It WAS on track. Dia just allowed the flamers to destroy it. TM> SA> It is her playground here...you have to follow her rules. TM> SK> I will, and have been. I'm just stating my concerns and TM>opinions. TM> SA>If not, help us pursue alternative medicine...reduce our stress TM> SA>levels by choosing not to post. TM> SK> Well, if people speaking their minds stresses you out it's not TM> SK> my fault or my flaw. TM> I couldn't have said it better myself. I completely agree TM> with you, Steve. TM> Banning a topic is one thing. Knowingly stating that a a legal TM> medical remedy (in California where 25% of the US population TM> lives, as well as in Arizona and Virginia ) is illegal - a bald TM> faced lie - is NOT permissible, regardless of what self- appointed TM> arbiters of everything (like M. Probert) might say. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Clueless was a movie. You did not stay long enough to see the disclaimer at the end where it said that you should not make it a way of life. I really wish Dia would do a bit of real moderating. Fighting with the CH is verboten in FIDO and can get a life time ban. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EER00001Date: 10/18/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 01:10pm \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Expiration Warning TY MEISSNER was thinking about Re: Expiration Warning and keyed into cyberspace: TM> Mr. Probert is the self-proclaimed ultimate authority here, as You are correct. I am an authority here. You see, I happened to have read the rules. You didn't. TM> anyone who archives these messages can easily see. I suppose TM> some moderators like that because they think it takes some burden TM> off them. TM> Actually Fidonet is structured entirely for the benefit of BBS TM> sysops. Conference moderators have no more political pull than TM> you or I if they aren't BBS sysops, or unless they are friends of TM> the Fido admins. I suggest you read the rules. A complaint from a CH through the FIDO hierarchy can result in a permanent ban. TM> With the advent of the internet, these folks don't have exclusive TM> right to control the nets. I don't think Dia is a rigid control TM> freak, at not to the extent that some folks are (YOU know who you TM> are ;-). That's why BBSs have been going down like flies in TM> winter. I would be very surprised (and happily surprised) if TM> Fidonet were to still be in existence 10 years from now. TM> One reason this conference has been going downhill is there has TM> been VERY LITTLE discussion of alternative medicine is that the TM> one-trick ponies here have been having this years long white hot TM> harangue about ADD and ADHD (neither of which I see as a TM> 'medicine' alternative or otherwise. As long as these folks are TM> allowed to usurp Dia's authority as moderator (and it is SHE who TM> has allowed this state of affairs), this conference will continue TM> to lose participants. The ADHD issue has long been over. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EER00002Date: 10/18/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 01:13pm \/To: SHARON MCCORMICK (Read 1 times) Subj: Juiceman Juicer SHARON MCCORMICK was thinking about Juiceman Juicer and keyed into cyberspace: SM>VL> Mayby there is something to this juicing! I can feel that SM>VL> my energy level has increased. Im not as tired as I was. SM>VL> As for other result I'll post as time go's by... I like SM>VL> sharing a good thing! SM>It's my guess that by juicing vegs and fruits, you are getting more SM>of their vitamins etc. since they are not cooked at all, and you're SM>reducing them to an easily assimilated form. Just an opinion!! HOWEVER, a recent report suggests that tomato sauce is far healthier than raw tomatoes because it concentrates many of the "active ingredients". The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EER00003Date: 10/18/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 01:00pm \/To: SHARON MCCORMICK (Read 1 times) Subj: moderation SHARON MCCORMICK was thinking about moderation and keyed into cyberspace: SM>MP> As for Dia's style of moderating, you have no idea how easy going SM>MP> she is. I was moderated, publicly, in FIDO POLITICS because I SM>MP> asked someone to stop calling Jane a liar. I used to read the SM>MP> UFO conference for laughs, and once posted that some guy was a SM>MP> proponent of some "whacko conspiracy nut's" weirdo ideas SM>MP> regarding UFOs. Got moderated for that (not the language, but SM>MP> for criticizing the whacko). SM>If you really, really want to see some nasty flaming, read the Sysop SM>echoes! (I don't any more) SM>I agree, I LIKE Dia's style. Also Della Moore, of Lord_Sysop echo, SM>and Mike Jordan of ONLINE_GAMES. I do not like petty bickering, SM>debate is another whole ballgame though! Name calling has no place SM>anywhere once the participant's are past the pre school age! SM>That said....I read much about Saw Palmetto for men...at what age and SM>what dosage would be best for a man to begin taking this herb? Don;t ask me. I think herbs are for seasoning. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EER00004Date: 10/18/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 01:10pm \/To: DIA (Read 1 times) Subj: Post the rules Please post the COnference Rules and the General Rules of FIDO. Thanks. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EER00005Date: 10/20/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 08:52am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Postings GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about Re: Postings and keyed into cyberspace: GL>-=> Quoting Mark Probert to Dia Spriggs <=- GL> MP> I post regularly to a newsgroup on USENET in the alt. hierarchy. GL>When GL> Mark, Is this alt.hierarchy newsgroup a health related GL> conference? alt.support.attn-deficit. GL> Do you review any health related USENET newsgroups conferences? GL> Thanks. misc.health.kids GL> With the rise of the Internet, these USENET conferences may GL> over-shadow FIDONET in the future. It has already happened. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EER00006Date: 10/18/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 01:16pm \/To: MEG UMANS (Read 1 times) Subj: St. John's Wort MEG UMANS was thinking about St. John's Wort and keyed into cyberspace: MU>-> SA>MP> The three-year study will involve 336 patients with major MU>-> SA>MP> depression, of whom one-third will receive a 900 milligram MU>-> (mg) SA>MP> daily dose of St. John's wort, one-third will receive MU>-> a placebo, SA>MP> and one-third will receive a selective MU>-> serotonin reuptake SA>MP> inhibitor. MU>-> I was actually trying to figure out if they were really trying MU>-> to test it MU>-> or setting it up for failure. From your answer, I presume you MU>-> can't help me...oh, well. MU>Sounds like a setup to me, Sue. Note that the people in the trial MU>are people with major depression. St. John's Wort has been MU>demonstrated elsewhere to work for people with minor depression. We'll know if it really is safe and effective by really testing it by using subjects with major depression. Now, if it is successful, do you think that "they" will suppress the results and require Agent Moldy to ferret out the facts? The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110)