--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00014Date: 10/18/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 03:39pm \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Expiration Warning THere have been numerous comments that I am not moderating this echo correctly. IN an effort to do this properly...I will ask you ONCE to not post about non altmed things. Mr Kemp, in my opinion can serve no purpose here other than to incite and disrupt and he has been asked to leave the echo. If you cannot follow the rules, you will be asked to leave also. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00015Date: 10/18/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 04:00pm \/To: SHARON MCCORMICK (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Juiceman Juicer > reducing them to an easily assimilated form. Just an > opinion!! There are two theories that while they are the same they are opposite. ONe says that you should juice without pulp etc to get the pure essence of the juice right into the bloodstream. The second (Vitamix style) says that you shouldn't leave out the pulp etc because one needs the fiber, keeps the juice longer in the body so the person doesn't get a rush and then it's gone out of the bloodstream and it gives the body the chance to take the added nutrients out of the pulp that would be missing if it were extracted beforehand. I have no idea which is better if indeed one is better. The two theories are indeed interesting. If anyone has tried BOTH methods I'd like to know what they found out trying both. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00016Date: 10/18/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 03:56pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: RULE OF ALTMED RULES OF ALTMED: This echo is primarily for the sharing of information on alternative medicine. Of course breakthrough or good information about standard medical procedures will be welcomed. This echo is designed to bring information that is useful for the management of one's own health to the public. Many ideas, concepts, etc. will not agree with everyone's lifestyle, beliefs or opinions. If this is the case, let it go, it might be helpful to others. Format hopefully will be articles, research, newspaper, radio, TV, etc. NO ONE, not even researchers are always right about everything so whatever is presented here is not necessarily THE ONLY method. Personal opinions are welcome if they are brief. In the long run, what any of us as individuals may think doesn't mean a lot except to ourselves. We are not researchers or medical practioners so our opinions are only from our own limited points of view. No flaming, long rambling arguements, name calling, debating will be permitted --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00017Date: 10/18/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 04:03pm \/To: BOB MORGAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Sleep deprivation > medicines they are giving him just aren't working. They > can > effectively "knock him out" but then he has something like > a bad > hangover the next day. Any natural remedy suggestions? What are they giving him? Just sleeping pills? Sounds like an imbalance int the brain chemicals. Tried melatonin (low dose..not the high dose of most supplements)...extra calcium, espeically before bedtime. Dosages of antidepressants sometimes work..if he wants to try something like that..try St John's Wort, Kava Kava (be sure it wont' interfere with what drugs he's taking)..also age old formulas like Passionflower, Valerian might help. As with all natural stuff..it won't work the minute you take it..sometimes it takes a little while. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00018Date: 10/18/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 11:02pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Prostate breakthrough -=> Quoting Dia Spriggs to George Lagergren <=- DS> Thanks for informative post...will be looking for further info on DS> this..is it available in the US do you know? Dia, this info about the herb for the prostate was from a message left in an Internet USENET news group: alt.health . I left my name and address via an I-net e-mail message. If I receive more info, I will post it on this ALTMED forum. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00019Date: 10/18/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 11:02pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Postings -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Dia Spriggs <=- MP> I post regularly to a newsgroup on USENET in the alt. hierarchy. When Mark, Is this alt.hierarchy newsgroup a health related conference? Do you review any health related USENET newsgroups conferences? Thanks. With the rise of the Internet, these USENET conferences may over-shadow FIDONET in the future. George ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00020Date: 10/18/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 11:02pm \/To: MEG UMANS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Juiceman Juicer -=> Quoting Meg Umans to Sharon Mccormick <=- MU> When I see ads for juicers, I wonder why people would rather drink MU> food than eat it. Finally a friend of mine bought one and I got to ask MU> him: he said he'd rather gulp something or pop a couple of pills and be MU> done with it, not bother sitting down to eat. Overall, his impression MU> is that it saves him time. That's not a draw for me - I LIKE eating . I'm still not aware of any health benefits you get from juicing that ou MU> don't get from eating the food in its original form. You mentioned MU> that it's easier to assimilate once it's been juiced. Because it's MU> diluted? Meg, juicing fresh fruit & veggies may contain more nutritional value than processed food? ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEP00000Date: 10/19/97 From: LAIRD KELLY Time: 12:16am \/To: BOB MORGAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Sleep deprivation BM> My uncle has been depressed since the loss of his wife of 50 years and BM> has severe sleep deprivation. He is now in a hospital and the BM> medicines they are giving him just aren't working. They can BM> effectively "knock him out" but then he has something like a bad BM> hangover the next day. Any natural remedy suggestions? St John's Wort: capsules - 300mg standardized (3% hypericin) extract 3x a day w\ food tea - 1 to 2 tsp dried herb infused 10 to 15 min 3x a day can take 2-3 weeks for noticable results & 2-3 months for maximum effect if using long-term, discontinue for three weeks after 3 month usage Since there is disagreement about whether it is or isn't a MAO inhibitor avoid tyramine containing foods (cheese, beer, wine, pickeled herring, yeast...), L Dopamine, 5 hydroxytryptophan, MAO inhibitors... Fair skinned people should avoid sun, others avoid intense sun as ithas a photosensitizing effect & can lead to sunburn The above was culled from handouts from Ursula Hall N.D. in Lakewood, Wa and, of course, it will only provide symptomatic relief NOT a cure Good luck, Laird * SLMR 2.1a * C:\PROGRAM\RUN C:\PROGRAM\CRASH C:\PROGRAMMER\FIRED --- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.3M1e * Origin: The Higher Ground, Gig Harbor, WA (1:138/211) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEP00001Date: 10/18/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 08:27am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: ST JOHN'S WORT * Forwarded (from: HERBS-N-SUCH) * Originally from Alex Vasauskas (1:17/75) to TAMMY MCCANN. * Original dated: Sat Oct 18, 08:19 TAMMY MCCANN wrote in a message to ALL: TM> Can ST. John's Wort be grown? If it can, is there a way I could TM> either obtain either seeds or a plant for here in the house? You can get the seeds (and a catalog) from: Johnny's Selected Seeds Foss Hill Rd. Albion, ME 04910-9731 (207) 437-4301 www.johnnyseeds.com TM> Please tell me more about dosage and what this is good for. From: http://www.kcweb.com/herb/herbmain.htm Herbal Information Center - St. John's Wort St. John's wort is a bushy perennial plant with numerous yellow flowers. It is native to many parts of the world including Europe and the United States. It is a wild growing plant in northern California, southern Oregon and Colorado. The plant has been used as an herbal remedy since the Middle Ages. Many believed it to have magical powers to protect one from evil. Early Christian mystics named the plant after John the Baptist and is traditionally collected on St. John's Day, June 25, soaked in olive oil for days to produce a blood red anointing oil known as the "blood of Christ." It has a 2,400-year history of safe and effective usage in many folk and herbal remedies. Historically used as a nerve tonic, St. John's wort is now widely used as a mild antidepressant. It is a potent antiviral and antibacterial that is being investigated as a treatment for AIDS. One of the best herbs for mood elevation is St. John's wort. Several controlled studies have shown positive results in treating patients with mild to moderate depression. Improvement was shown with symptoms of sadness, helplessness, hopelessness, anxiety, headache and exhaustion with no reported side effects. Its action is based on the ability of the active ingredient, hypericin to inhibit the breakdown of neurotransmitters in the brain. The herb also inhibits monoamine oxidase (MAO) and works as a serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SRI); both are actions similar to drugs prescribed for depression. In Germany, nearly half of depression, anxiety, and sleep disorders are treated with hypericin. St. John's wort should not be taken with any other antidepressants, it is not effective for severe depression, and no one should stop taking any prescribed medications for depression without proper medical care. St. John's wort has been administered in the treatment of many illnesses. The most well known action of St. John's wort is in repairing nerve damage and reducing pain and inflammation. The herb has been used to relieve menstrual cramping, sciatica, and arthritis. It has a favorable action on the secretion of bile and thus soothes the digestive system. The blossoms have been used in folk medicine to relieve ulcers, gastritis, diarrhea and nausea. St. John's wort can also be effective in the treatment of incontinence and bed-wetting in children. Externally it is used on cuts as a disinfectant and to relieve inflammation and promote healing. The oil can be applied to sprains, bruises and varicose veins. Folk medicine has also has used it as a treatment for cancer. The active constituents in the herb (there are over 50) include hypericin and pseudohypericin, flavonoids, tannins and procyanidins. The tannins are responsible for the astringent effect for wound healing. Hypericin increases capillary blood flow and is a strong MAO inhibitor. There are many studies documenting the clinical effects of hypericum as an antidepressant treatment similar to several synthetic antidepressants, but with a minimum of side effects. Hypericin has been demonstrated to increase theta waves in the brain. Theta waves normally occur during sleep and have been associated with deep meditation, serene pleasure and heightened creative activity. St. John's wort effectually may improve perception and clarify thinking processes. There have been incidences of photosensitization as a side effect in animals. Anyone who is hypersensitive to sunlight or is taking other photosensitizing drugs should be cautious. Parts Used: Herb tops and flowers. Used as a tea, extract, oil and in tablet form. Common Use: St. John's wort has been used traditionally as an herbal treatment for anxiety and depression. It is an effective astringent that promotes wound healing and has antiviral properties that can counter herpes simplex, flu viruses and is being investigated as a treatment for acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS). Note: If you are pregnant or lactating or taking anti-depressants like Prozac, check with your physician before taking St. John's wort. Area : HERBS-N-SUCH Date : Sun Aug 03 From : David Wilson To : All Subj : St.John's Wort St.John's wort (hypericum perforatum) "This herb got its name because the plant flowers on St.John's day, June 24. (Wort is Old English for "plant".) Its star-shaped yellow flowers, which turn red when bruised, are beautiful enough to make anyone with the blues feel happier. But this herb also has a long history of folk use for treating anxiety and depression. Modern science has shown that generations of folk herbalists were right. Clinical studies show that treatment with just one of the active compounds in this herb, hypericin, results in significant improvement in anxiety, depression and feelings of worthlessness. Some studies show that it's a more powerful antidepressant than some pharmaceutical drugs such as amitriptyline (Elavil) and imiprimine (Tofranil). What's more, it has fewer side effects. Some researchers say that it has no side effects at all. Studies also show that St.John's wort improves sleep quality, often a major problem for people who are seriously depressed. In one study, German researchers gave St.John's wort to 105 people with moderate depression. Compared with a similar group not receiving the herb, they slept better and exhibited less sadness, helplessness, hopelessness, exhaustion and headache. They also reported no side effects. While some researchers attribute the benefits of the herb to its MAO inhibitors, other studies downplay this activity. Jerry Cott, Ph.D., director of the Polytherapeutic Medication Development Program of the National Institute of Mental Health in Bethesda, Maryland, tells me that even though Hypericum is a leading antidepressant, it has much less MAO inhibitor activity than we had previously believed. Commission E, the body of scientific experts that advises the German government on the safety and effectiveness of herbs, heaps praise on St.John's wort as a treatment for depression. If you'd like to try it I'd suggest a tea made by steeping one to two teaspoons of dried herb in a cup of boiling water for ten minutes. St.John's wort appears to be most effective if you take one to two cups of tea a day for four to six weeks, according to Varro Tyler, Ph.D., dean and professor emeritus of pharmacognosy (natural product pharmacy) at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana. Dr Tyler says that different chemical compounds in St.John's wort work together to relieve mild depression in several different ways. The advantage of this combined action is fewer side effects, because the total response in not due to a single strong action. Do not take St.John's wort if you're pregnant. and avoid intense sun exposure while using it, since this herb can make the skin more sensitive to sunlight." The above is excerpted from "The Green Pharmacy" James A. Duke, Ph.D., St. Martin's Press. Dr. Duke also makes references to St.John's wort as treatment for a variety of skin irritations, bruises, burns, H.Simplex I, hypothyroidism, Parkinson's Disease and scabies. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEQ00000Date: 10/19/97 From: SUE ALEXANDER Time: 10:14pm \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Expiration Warning Alex Vasauskas wrote in a message to Sue Alexander: AV> Sue Alexander wrote in a message to Steve Kemp: SA> If not, help us pursue alternative medicine...reduce our stress SA> levels by choosing not to post. AV> If you feel distressed by the discussion in any particular thread or AV> by a particular person, you can choose not to read messages from the AV> person or bearing a subject line in which you are not interested. I actually try to use this method, and it works rather well. I was responding to some of the things Steve was saying against Dia, and this was simply a final statement conveying some frustration at his comments. I actually enjoy reading here when there are not alot of arguments...which I hope is the direction the echo is returning to. Sue ... Given enough caffeine and chocolate I could rule the world. --- timEd/386 1.10 * Origin: Transylvanian Tap (1:121/45.23)