--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00004Date: 10/17/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 07:27pm \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Expiration Warning -=> On 10-16-97 15:20, Steve Kemp typed to Mark Probert <=- -=> Re: Expiration Warning <=- Hi Steve, MP>While I disagreed with Dia's ending the thread, you have to admit, it MP>was getting a might tedious. SK> If only for Jane's insistent badgering of anyone that had a pro MJ, as SK> an alternative medicine, attitude. It was a productive thread but for SK> her. MP> The alignment was Jane vs. everyone MP>else. Now, if there is one thing I have learned about Jane, it is MP>that you cannot get her to change her mind. SK> True. MP>As for why people stop posting, it is probably not as simple as you MP>would want it to be. Threads which dominate tend to cause a decrease MP>in posting. Arguments in some conferences tend to decrease the MP>postings. SK> Well, the censorship of ideas tends to do so also. Also, Dia told SK> people to stop posting. MP>As for Dia's style of moderating, you have no idea how easy going she MP>is. SK> That's true, I don't. I've never seen that. She was certainly easy SK> going towards Jane. I noticed the same thing. Pro-MJ posters were moderated right and left. Jane and other anti-MJ posters were never subjected to moderation or even disagreement from Dia. Could it be that Dia shares Jane's views about MJ ? There little room for doubt. MP>SK>The first thing I saw when I hit this echo, months ago, was you MP>SK>virtually SCREAMING in a angst ridden tizzy. Your ability to MP>SK>moderate effectively is non-existent. You irrational tantrums are MP>SK>not something that should be expected from a moderator. You MP>SK>should hang it up. Leave such pursuits to people that have MP>SK>control and a thinking mind. Mr. Probert is the self-proclaimed ultimate authority here, as anyone who archives these messages can easily see. I suppose some moderators like that because they think it takes some burden off them. Actually Fidonet is structured entirely for the benefit of BBS sysops. Conference moderators have no more political pull than you or I if they aren't BBS sysops, or unless they are friends of the Fido admins. With the advent of the internet, these folks don't have exclusive right to control the nets. I don't think Dia is a rigid control freak, at not to the extent that some folks are (YOU know who you are ;-). That's why BBSs have been going down like flies in winter. I would be very surprised (and happily surprised) if Fidonet were to still be in existence 10 years from now. One reason this conference has been going downhill is there has been VERY LITTLE discussion of alternative medicine is that the one-trick ponies here have been having this years long white hot harangue about ADD and ADHD (neither of which I see as a 'medicine' alternative or otherwise. As long as these folks are allowed to usurp Dia's authority as moderator (and it is SHE who has allowed this state of affairs), this conference will continue to lose participants. Regards, Ty |\ zz _,,,--,,_ ,) Ty Meissner, Psych Tech E-mail: y.meissner@grape.net /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' "I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for {,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ justice no matter who it's for or against. I'm a uman <---''(_/--' (_/- being first and foremost and I am for whoever and . . whatever benefots humanity as a whole." -- Malcolm X ... Free Mumia Abu Jamal, Leonard Peltier, and all political prisoners! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00005Date: 10/16/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 06:15pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: EXPIRATION WARNING DIA SPRIGGS was thinking about Re: EXPIRATION WARNING and keyed into cyberspace: DS>And the horse you rode in on Steve.... DS> DS>There is a fourth altnerative...Fido says the echo isn't getting DS>enough traffic because people have stopped posting because of idiots DS>and drops the echo completely... Sorry. I forgot that one. DS>If you think you have the intelligence and psychological make up to DS>handle an echo...please be my guest..echo can be started and DS>moderated by anyone (heaven forbid) I post regularly to a newsgroup on USENET in the alt. hierarchy. When someone whines about how I post (and I am quite blunt there) I advise them just how they can set up their own group. Shuts 'em up every time. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00006Date: 10/17/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 05:56am \/To: SUE ALEXANDER (Read 1 times) Subj: St. John's Wort SUE ALEXANDER was thinking about St. John's Wort and keyed into cyberspace: SA>MARK PROBERT wrote in a message to SUE ALEXANDER: SA>SA> (snip) SA>SA>MP> The three-year study will involve 336 patients with major SA>SA>MP> depression, of whom one-third will receive a 900 milligram SA>SA>MP> (mg) daily dose of St. John's wort, one-third will receive a SA>SA>MP> placebo, and one-third will receive a selective serotonin SA>SA>MP> reuptake inhibitor. SA>SA> Are you familiar with the use of St John's wort? I was SA>SA>wondering if this is an appropriate dose for treatment purposes SA>SA>and if there are any interactions with drugs or food. SA>MP> The purpose of the study is to determine safety, efficacy, dosage SA>MP> and interactions. SA>MP> I would never presume to know such things before they are SA>MP> empirically tested. SA> I was actually trying to figure out if they were really trying SA>to test it or setting it up for failure. From your answer, I presume SA>you can't help me...oh, well. Why didn't you ask the question outright? What sort of paranoia do you suffer from? The NIH, and I know several of the researchers there from when I was at USAIIDR, does not "set up" studies for failure. Actually, you are partially right, I cannot help you. But you do need help. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) > > I just responded to your question. I, also, am just pointing > out facts. > I would like an echo with a reasonable moderator. If you can > be one then > I have no problems. You have no problems now Mr Kemp......I am not here to please you. I think this echo is not the right one for you. I am asking that you take yourself and your opinions elsewhere. YOu see I DO ask and request people to stop posting as I did several times to the flamers. The angry post you saw from me was after repeated requests ignored. So, now I am calmly, quietly asking you to move on to another echo and as you so aptly put it that all I had to do was request the flaming and arguing and bickering and name calling to stop and it would have ceased immediately. Don't know what planet you're from but that isn't the case with people that thing" Oh that Can't pertain to ME". So now I've asked, I expect you to move on, out of the echo with no further posts, arguements or comments. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00007Date: 10/17/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 05:28pm \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana as medicine > > I just responded to your question. I, also, am just pointing > out facts. > I would like an echo with a reasonable moderator. If you can > be one then > I have no problems. You have no problems now Mr Kemp......I am not here to please you. I think this echo is not the right one for you. I am asking that you take yourself and your opinions elsewhere. YOu see I DO ask and request people to stop posting as I did several times to the flamers. The angry post you saw from me was after repeated requests ignored. So, now I am calmly, quietly asking you to move on to another echo and as you so aptly put it that all I had to do was request the flaming and arguing and bickering and name calling to stop and it would have ceased immediately. Don't know what planet you're from but that isn't the case with people that thing" Oh that Can't pertain to ME". So now I've asked, I expect you to move on, out of the echo with no further posts, arguements or comments. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00008Date: 10/17/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 07:58am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Prostate breakthrough Thanks for informative post...will be looking for further info on this..is it available in the US do you know? --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00009Date: 10/17/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 08:01am \/To: SUE ALEXANDER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: St. John's Wort The lastest I heard was that they now think it's NOT an MAO inhibitor even tho some of the chemical constituents have MAO activities. I was always concerned if it was MAO you'd have to watch what you ate very closely. Sometimes you wonder if anyone knows anything. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00010Date: 10/18/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 11:45am \/To: BOB MORGAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Sleep deprivation -=> Quoting Bob Morgan to All <=- BM> My uncle has been depressed since the loss of his wife of 50 years BM> and has severe sleep deprivation. He is now in a hospital and the BM> medicines they are giving him just aren't working. They can BM> effectively "knock him out" but then he has something like a bad BM> hangover the next day. Any natural remedy suggestions? It is said that the herb, St. John's Wort, may help with depression. SJW is available at health food stores. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00011Date: 10/18/97 From: MEG UMANS Time: 08:17am \/To: SHARON MCCORMICK (Read 1 times) Subj: Juiceman Juicer -> It's my guess that by juicing vegs and fruits, you are getting more -> of their vitamins etc. since they are not cooked at all, and you're -> reducing them to an easily assimilated form. Just an opinion!! When I see ads for juicers, I wonder why people would rather drink food than eat it. Finally a friend of mine bought one and I got to ask him: he said he'd rather gulp something or pop a couple of pills and be done with it, not bother sitting down to eat. Overall, his impression is that it saves him time. That's not a draw for me - I LIKE eating . I'm still not aware of any health benefits you get from juicing that you don't get from eating the food in its original form. You mentioned that it's easier to assimilate once it's been juiced. Because it's diluted? --- PCBoard (R) v15.23 (OS/2) 5 * Origin: Exeter's Place * Gilbert, AZ * (1:114/449) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00012Date: 10/17/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 01:58pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Juiceman Juicer DS>> to have a small juice machine that didn't last DS> DS>did you have the small juiceman or another brand? I wanted the large DS>Jucieman but never could afford it...was considering the smaller one DS>but didn't know if it was strong enough... . DS>> Mayby there is something to this juicing! I can feel that my energy level has increased DS> DS>are you doing something consistantly. Would love to hear all about DS>it.. I'm rather undecided on the juicer thing. Seems that the fiber that is being thrown away in the process would be better utilized if it weren't. But then, I love carrot juice and V-8 and such. And, I wonder...how many carrots would it take to get a cup of carrot juice? A whole lot, I'm sure. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00013Date: 10/18/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 03:49pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: echo and rules I am very glad to see some semblance of altmed subject coming back to the echo. It is getting almost pleasant to read it again. I was contemplating rule of behavior the other day and I noticed that there are rules everywhere...whether in a dept. store, beach, park, road, even to checking out library books, or where you live there are rules about what color your house has to be or if you disrupt the neighborhood. Then to get even simpler, if you were having guests over to your home and some of them acted like some of the people here screaming they had THE RIGHT to say and do whatever they pleased and courtesy and other people's feeling be damned, how long would you personally have them in your house without asking them to leave? On a written note, if you walked into a newspaper office or a magazine publication and demanded that the editor print anything you wanted because you have freedom of speech and if he/she didn't he/she was a Nazi and was undemocratic, wouldn't you find that a little ridiculous? Well, the same applies to any echo. The moderator not unlike an editor, host or anyone else that has any say so decides what IS and is NOT proper on his/her echo. SOMEONE has to make rules and in this case that someone is me. I tried to treat all of you like thinking, intelligent adults capable of understanding there are MANY opinions in the world, many will not fit into your lifestyle, belief system etc. I was hoping you were all mature enough to accept this and let what didn't fit on go but that doesn't seem to be the case so up steps mean, nasty incompetant moderator, Dia. From this point on, if you are unhappy with the echo, leave. If you don't like the rules, start an echo of your own and do what you damn well please. In Spock's words (probably badly misquoted) The rights of the many sometimes supercede the rights of the individual. What is BEST for the whole of altmed is my decision and anyone not liking it, exit stage left. A simple, polite request, a warning and then you're outta here. No need to reply to this or argue. Abide or leave, simple choices. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68)