--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEM00003Date: 10/17/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 12:08pm \/To: VERA LAMAR (Read 1 times) Subj: Juiceman Juicer VL> Mayby there is something to this juicing! I can feel that my nergy VL> level has increased. Im not as tired as I was. As for other esult VL> I'll post as time go's by... I like sharing a good thing! It's my guess that by juicing vegs and fruits, you are getting more of their vitamins etc. since they are not cooked at all, and you're reducing them to an easily assimilated form. Just an opinion!! --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEM00004Date: 10/17/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 12:13pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: moderation MP> As for Dia's style of moderating, you have no idea how easy going she MP> is. I was moderated, publicly, in FIDO POLITICS because I asked someone MP> to stop calling Jane a liar. I used to read the UFO conference for MP> laughs, and once posted that some guy was a proponent of some "whacko MP> conspiracy nut's" weirdo ideas regarding UFOs. Got moderated for that MP> (not the language, but for criticizing the whacko). If you really, really want to see some nasty flaming, read the Sysop echoes! (I don't any more) I agree, I LIKE Dia's style. Also Della Moore, of Lord_Sysop echo, and Mike Jordan of ONLINE_GAMES. I do not like petty bickering, debate is another whole ballgame though! Name calling has no place anywhere once the participant's are past the pre school age! That said....I read much about Saw Palmetto for men...at what age and what dosage would be best for a man to begin taking this herb? --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEM00005Date: 10/17/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 02:49am \/To: SUE ALEXANDER (Read 1 times) Subj: Expiration Warning Sue Alexander wrote in a message to Steve Kemp: SA> If not, help us pursue alternative medicine...reduce our stress SA> levels by choosing not to post. If you feel distressed by the discussion in any particular thread or by a particular person, you can choose not to read messages from the person or bearing a subject line in which you are not interested. This way people can discuss topics relevant to the echo that are of interest to them without censorship, and no one needs to feel distressed. If you feel compelled to read messages you know are likely to be distressing, the consequences are your responsibility and no one else's. Furthermore, the idea that discussion of any particular topic, *which no one has to read*, somehow prevents or interferes with the discussion of other topics is absolutely ridiculous. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEM00006Date: 10/17/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 03:09am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine DS>In case you think marijuana is an ok subject on most echos..try going DS>over to the HERBS and SUCH echo and posting over there...Tomas is as DS>much of a nazi as I am I guess. No. There has been rational discussion and exchange of information regarding marijuana as a medicinal herb on HERBS-N-SUCH. Tomas also participated in the discussion. What was banned there was flaming, which, incidentally, was carried on by none other than Jane. She apparently stopped posting there because she was not interested in discussion on any other terms. After Jane was gone, the discussion continued until the exchange of information was done, and then it ended. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEM00007Date: 10/17/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 03:37am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Feverfew Herbal Information Center - Feverfew Feverfew (Chrysanthemum parthenium) From: http://www.kcweb.com/herb/herbmain.htm Feverfew, also known as featherfew and bachelor's buttons, is native to southwest Europe and was brought to America originally as an ornamental. It is commercially cultivated in Japan, Africa and Europe. Greek and European herbalists traditionally used it to reduce fevers. The herb has a long history of use in traditional and folk medicine as a treatment for disorders often controlled by aspirin, such as fever, headaches and some of the accompanying symptoms such as nausea and depression. Recently feverfew has been gaining fame as a effective treatment for migraine headaches. It may also help ease diseases caused by chronic inflammation such as arthritis. It is an aromatic plant with a strong and lasting odor, it has been used externally as an insect repellent and for treating insect bites. It is the combination of ingredients in the feverfew plant that brings such effective relief. It works to inhibit the release of two inflammatory substances, serotonin and prostaglandins, both believed to contribute to the onset of migraines. By inhibiting these amines as well as the production of the chemical histamine, the herb controls inflammation that constricts the blood vessels in the head, and prevents blood vessel spasms which may contribute to headaches. The plant is rich in sesquiterpene lactones, the principal one being parthenolide. Other constituents include essential oils, flavonoid glycosides, pinene derivatives and costic acid. Feverfew should be taken regularly to receive maximum benefit and protection from migraines. The tea, drunk cold, may also relieve skin perspiration associated with migraines, and has been used to stimulate appetite, and improve digestion and kidney function. Clinical tests have shown the use of feverfew may reduce the frequency and severity of headaches. It may be more effective than other nonsteroidal antiinflammatories (NSAIDS), like aspirin. Additional benefits include lower blood pressure, less stomach irritation and a renewed sense of well-being. It may also relieve dizziness, tinnitus, and painful or sluggish menstruation. Its extracts have been claimed to relieve asthma, coughs, dermatitis and worms. Parts Used: Leaves and flowers in extract, infusion, and dried in capsules. Common Use: The herb has historically been used as remedy for headache, inflammation and as a general substitute for ailments treated with aspirin. Its most popular use is for the prevention of migraine headaches and associated symptoms. Pregnant women should not use the herb, and some people have developed mouth ulcers or experienced loss of taste from eating the fresh leaves. Care: Feverfew is a hearty perennial that will produce an abundant supply of blossoms. It prefers full sun or partial shade and well-drained average soil. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEM00008Date: 10/17/97 From: BOB MORGAN Time: 03:07pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Sleep deprivation My uncle has been depressed since the loss of his wife of 50 years and has severe sleep deprivation. He is now in a hospital and the medicines they are giving him just aren't working. They can effectively "knock him out" but then he has something like a bad hangover the next day. Any natural remedy suggestions? Thanks Bob ... Puns are bad, but poetry is verse. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 * Origin: Hermes BBS The Messenger Bryan Tx (409)823-4442 (1:117/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00000Date: 10/18/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 12:56pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Unwarranted booting of SK DS>> I just responded to your question. I, also, am just pointing DS>> out facts. I would like an echo with a reasonable moderator. If you DS>> can be one then I have no problems. DS>You have no problems now Mr Kemp......I am not here to please you. I DS>think this echo is not the right one for you. No, I'm just not right for YOU. You can't compete in the world of ideas. Truth is obviously not something you believe in. As I stated before...YOU asked the question in regard to your shutting down this echo, or your quitting it. I just replied. Too bad you can't stomach an opinion that you asked for. DS> I am asking that you take yourself and your opinions elsewhere. O.K. But considering that you never even gave a first warning...it is obvious that your abilities (or lack thereof) as a moderator are again in evidence. So, it seems I am being kicked off for being correct in my initial contention. DS> YOu see I DO ask and request people to stop posting as I did DS>several times to the flamers. The angry post you saw from me was DS>after repeated requests ignored. Well, you cut peoples feeds after you give them a couple OFFICIAL warnings. The way someone knows it is official is to put this in the body of the warning post: Dia Spriggs Moderator AltMed But then, I've informed you of this before. It's standard FIDO etiquette. You know, "this is your first warning", "this is your second warning", "you are excluded from posting to this echo for 90 days" etc. Maybe you should lurk on some other echoes and see how it is properly done. Or, ask some of moderators what proper and reasonable moderation entails. DS> So, now I am calmly, quietly asking you to move on to DS>another echo and as you so aptly put it that all I had to do was DS>request the flaming and arguing and bickering and name calling to DS>stop and it would have ceased immediately. Well, I for one was never asked or warned directly. But then, I wasn't the one that was the cause of the flames...Jane was. Again, a more effective and reasonable method would have been to officially warn HER. DS> Don't know what planet you're from The planet were people speak the truth, and the planet were everyone is allowed to do so. DS> but that isn't the case with people that thing" Oh that Can't DS>pertain to ME". Of course it pertains to me...IF it pertains it to me. I DID stop posting on the MJ thread when you said to stop. I even asked Jane to stop insulting me. Something YOU didn't do. Don't blame me for your ineffectiveness as a moderator. DS> So now I've asked, I expect you to move on, out of the echo with no DS> further posts, arguements or comments. That's fine. It would be nice to know what the offense I am getting booted for is. It can't be flaming, because I didn't flame you. I responded with facts as I see them. It can't be the use of "crude words", because I didn't use any. It can't be for being off topic, because you started the thread. So, it must be because you just didn't want to hear anything but your already held opinion repeated back to you. Sorry, I'm not a puppet. Again, you have just illustrated the EXACT behaviors that I was pointing out. You are arbitrary, illogical, and totally unqualified to moderate this echo. You haven't the slightest idea of how to do so in a reasonable fashion. Since you just validated my contention. The fact is...you are kicking me off for telling the truth AND replying to YOUR post in an honest manner. Shame on you. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* Truth is not always kind...but it is not a lie. --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00001Date: 10/18/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 01:07pm \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: Expiration Warning TM> I couldn't have said it better myself. I completely agree TM> with you, Steve. Thanks for your support, Ty. It's nice to know that their are more reasonable heads in attendance. I'll be gone from here as soon as Dia informs me of the nature of the offense that she is booting out for. Hope to see your around on other echoes. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* Live free, die happy. --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00002Date: 10/18/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 01:07pm \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Expiration Warning AV> SA> If not, help us pursue alternative medicine...reduce our stress AV> SA> levels by choosing not to post. AV>If you feel distressed by the discussion in any particular thread AV>or by a particular person, you can choose not to read messages AV>from the person or bearing a subject line in which you are not AV>interested. This way people can discuss topics relevant to the AV>echo that are of interest to them without censorship, and no one AV>needs to feel distressed. If you feel compelled to read messages AV>you know are likely to be distressing, the consequences are your AV>responsibility and no one else's. Furthermore, the idea that AV>discussion of any particular topic, *which no one has to read*, AV>somehow prevents or interferes with the discussion of other AV>topics is absolutely ridiculous. Well stated, and exactly correct. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* Noone is perfect, by everyone should strive to be so. --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEN00003Date: 10/17/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 07:20pm \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Expiration Warning -=> On 10-16-97 15:09, Steve Kemp typed to Sue Alexander <=- -=> Re: Expiration Warning <=- Hi Steve, SA>SK> Well, debate is often worthwhile. Constant agreement is not SA>SK> something that is. Especially in an echo where debate and/or SA>SK> disagreement has health of humans as its goal. "Here, take this" SA>SK> is not something that is a very bright idea to blindly say...or SA>SK> to blindly follow. SA> However, debate follows rules and is constructive. The rules to SA>follow are those set up by the moderator, who has listed areas that SA>are off-topic. There is at least one that I have seen you SA>constantly are trying to nag, bully, and generally insult your way SA>back into. SK> Nope, I don't want to get MJ back into the discussion. It is the way SK> that the moderator banned it that is my concern. SA> I think that Dia, while often reluctant to cut a person's feed SA>for the echo, has done her job trying to get this echo back on SA>track. SK> It WAS on track. Dia just allowed the flamers to destroy it. SA> It is her playground here...you have to follow her rules. SK> I will, and have been. I'm just stating my concerns and opinions. SA>If not, help us pursue alternative medicine...reduce our stress SA>levels by choosing not to post. SK> Well, if people speaking their minds stresses you out it's not my SK> fault or my flaw. I couldn't have said it better myself. I completely agree with you, Steve. Banning a topic is one thing. Knowingly stating that a a legal medical remedy (in California where 25% of the US population lives, as well as in Arizona and Virginia ) is illegal - a bald faced lie - is NOT permissible, regardless of what self-appointed arbiters of everything (like M. Probert) might say. Ty |\ zz _,,,--,,_ ,) Ty Meissner, Psych Tech E-mail: y.meissner@grape.net /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' "I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for {,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ justice no matter who it's for or against. I'm a uman <---''(_/--' (_/- being first and foremost and I am for whoever and . . whatever benefots humanity as a whole." -- Malcolm X ... The triumph of evil is assured whenever good people do nothing. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910)