--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEL00000Date: 10/16/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 03:09pm \/To: SUE ALEXANDER (Read 1 times) Subj: Expiration Warning SA>SK> Well, debate is often worthwhile. Constant agreement is not SA>SK> something that is. Especially in an echo where debate and/or SA>SK> disagreement has health of humans as its goal. "Here, take this" SA>SK> is not something that is a very bright idea to blindly say...or SA>SK> to blindly follow. SA> However, debate follows rules and is constructive. The rules to SA>follow are those set up by the moderator, who has listed areas that SA>are off-topic. There is at least one that I have seen you SA>constantly are trying to nag, bully, and generally insult your way SA>back into. Nope, I don't want to get MJ back into the discussion. It is the way that the moderator banned it that is my concern. SA> I think that Dia, while often reluctant to cut a person's feed SA>for the echo, has done her job trying to get this echo back on SA>track. It WAS on track. Dia just allowed the flamers to destroy it. SA> It is her playground here...you have to follow her rules. I will, and have been. I'm just stating my concerns and opinions. SA>If not, help us pursue alternative medicine...reduce our stress SA>levels by choosing not to post. Well, if people speaking their minds stresses you out it's not my fault or my flaw. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEL00001Date: 10/16/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 03:10pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine DS>> But, it's an alternative medicine. DS>If you REALLY read this echo instead of just shooting off your mouth DS>you'd know that I did allow some documentary that came from research DS>on the medical use of the drug. It was ONLY after it became a brawl DS>with people constantly telling the other one that they were stupid DS>and resorted to name calling and the WHOLE echo was nothing but DS>posts from FOUR people on marijuana that I put a stop to it. I know. The more effective method to stop the flames would have been to warn the flamers. You never did that. DS> In case you didn't notice...there was NO ONE posting at all except DS>the four arguers and the ONLY subject was marijuana. You are incorrect. DS> All the other people had been chased away becuase of their DS>insistance on being stuck on one subject. That is you interpretation. It might very well be true that the flamewar was off-putting...but, you allowed the flames to fly. DS>I asked other people to post, I asked that the thread be stopped and DS>that we move on to something else. After allowing it to get out of hand, yep. DS> BTW, where were you and your DS>intelligence when all the brawling was going on. I was asking Jane to stop calling me a drug addict because I believe in medicinal marijuana. The question is more rightly...where were YOU? DS> What did YOU do to introduce another topic or try and influence DS>people in another direction. I did try to talk about the subject reasonably. I'll admit that I became angered at Janes venom. Venom that you allowed. DS> It's really simple to sit on your high horse and condemn DS>other people when you, yourself do nothing to help the matter at DS>all. I'm not the moderator. It is YOUR job to keep the flames down. The banning of an entire thread because of one person, that you should have dealt with individually, is ridiculous. And an example of your lack of reason and ability. DS>In case you think marijuana is an ok subject on most echos..try going DS>over to the HERBS and SUCH echo and posting over there...Tomas is as DS>much of a nazi as I am I guess. No, I think (actually I KNOW) that marijuana is an alternative medicine. Thus, it SHOULD be allowed in an AltMed forum. DS>If all you can contribute to this echo is name calling and insults, DS>then please leave. Hopefully the majority of us are trying to do DS>something useful! I just responded to your question. I, also, am just pointing out facts. I would like an echo with a reasonable moderator. If you can be one then I have no problems. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEL00002Date: 10/16/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 03:13pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Expiration Warning DS>YOu are free to leave the echo anytime it doesn't please you. I DS>haven't heard anyone begging for your opinions.. And you are free to quit. YOU asked...I answered. If you don't want answers...you shouldn't ask questions. If you only want answers that agree with your preset opinion...then asking is just an exercise in ego. Your responses are just validating my initial contention. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEL00003Date: 10/16/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 03:16pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: EXPIRATION WARNING DS>And the horse you rode in on Steve.... Thanks for the reasonable moderation, there. :-P DS>There is a fourth altnerative...Fido says the echo isn't getting DS>enough traffic because people have stopped posting because of idiots DS>and drops the echo completely... Well, YOU stopped people from posting. You can't have it both ways. Telling people not to post hardly increases posts. DS>If you think you have the intelligence and psychological make up to DS>handle an echo...please be my guest..echo can be started and DS>moderated by anyone (heaven forbid) No thanks. Hey, you asked a question about hanging up the echo. I responded. I stated my reasoning...that reasoning is based on what I've observed. My observations are being validated by you. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEL00004Date: 10/16/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 03:20pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Expiration Warning MP>While I disagreed with Dia's ending the thread, you have to admit, it MP>was getting a might tedious. If only for Jane's insistent badgering of anyone that had a pro MJ, as an alternative medicine, attitude. It was a productive thread but for her. MP> The alignment was Jane vs. everyone MP>else. Now, if there is one thing I have learned about Jane, it is MP>that you cannot get her to change her mind. True. MP>As for why people stop posting, it is probably not as simple as you MP>would want it to be. Threads which dominate tend to cause a decrease MP>in posting. Arguments in some conferences tend to decrease the MP>postings. Well, the censorship of ideas tends to do so also. Also, Dia told people to stop posting. MP>As for Dia's style of moderating, you have no idea how easy going she MP>is. That's true, I don't. I've never seen that. She was certainly easy going towards Jane. MP>SK>The first thing I saw when I hit this echo, months ago, was you MP>SK>virtually SCREAMING in a angst ridden tizzy. Your ability to MP>SK>moderate effectively is non-existent. You irrational tantrums are MP>SK>not something that should be expected from a moderator. You MP>SK>should hang it up. Leave such pursuits to people that have MP>SK>control and a thinking mind. MP>This is a conference discussing ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE. What's wrong MP>with having an alternative style of moderating? Nothing. I'm just stating my opinion. MP>SK>If you hadn't noticed, people were debating much....with reasoned MP>SK>and thoughtful conduct (well, except Jane) until you goose-stepped MP>SK>in like a little Nazi and forbid a certain alternative medicines MP>SK>discussion. That is the style you demonstrated when I first came MP>SK>upon this echo (as I stated in the prior paragraph). It was such MP>SK>a shock to me I commented about it. It turned out, to my MP>SK>surprise, that YOU were the moderator. It wasn't a scene that I MP>SK>would have expected from one, and I've seen ALLOT of moderation MP>SK>styles. MP>You have seen "a lot" of styles? Well, you have seen another. One that isn't very reasonable. MP>SK>Sure, FIDO isn't a democracy...but, at least a proclamation should MP>SK>have a logical reason. AND, the moderator should possess at least MP>SK>a minimum standard of knowledge on the issue of the echo. A MP>SK>modicum of restraint is also a reasonable thing to expect. You MP>SK>see, moderators generally attempt to keep the flames DOWN, not MP>SK>incite them. MP>You seem to argue both sides. Dia cut the thread to end the flames, MP>and then you complain about the flames not being cut, and about the MP>thread being ended. Nope. I'm arguing that the thread shouldn't have been cut...the flames should have been. A warning to the perp is all that is usually needed. To take out an entire thread for a biased and foolish reason is just censorship. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEL00005Date: 10/16/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 03:22pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: EXPIRATION WARNING MP>SK>MP>In FIDO, there are three possibilities: MP>SK>MP>1. Dia continues MP>SK>MP> (let's hear it for #1) MP>SK>MP>2. Dia stops moderating and turns the conference over to MP>SK>MP>someone else. MP>SK>MP>3. Dia walks away and abandons it. Then: MP>SK>MP> a. anyone interested can volunteer to take it over MP>SK>MP> b. if more than one person does so, an election can be MP>SK>MP> had MP>SK>I'd say #2 or #3 are the most valid alternatives. Dia is MP>SK>astoundingly unfit to moderate this echo. She has neither the MP>SK>intelligence or temperament to handle the job. MP>You mis-understand. If Dia continues, then 2 and 3 are moot. I didn't misunderstand. You stated 3 options, I stated my preferences...#2 or #3. I said nothing about Dia continuing. I didn't write that (let's hear it for #1) part. MP>She has the absolute right to continue. The conference is hers to do MP>with as she pleases. Period. Yep. I just stated my preference. You are the one posting the alternatives. MP>Personally, I am amazed she let the perpetrators get away with MP>defying her on that MJ thread issue. In any other FIDO conference, MP>they would have been booted and gone. Well, she let the MJ thread get crazy, then she banned the entire thread. A rather extreme measure. The more reasonable thing to do would have been to warn the people that started the craziness at the time. MP>Her demeanor and temperament is ideal for this conference. Hmmmm...sitting on her hands most of the time and then losing it and virtually screaming in blind anger is hardly demeanor or temperament that would be considered ideal. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEL00006Date: 10/16/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 05:21pm \/To: VERA LAMAR (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Juiceman Juicer > to have a small juice machine that didn't last very did you have the small juiceman or another brand? I wanted the large Jucieman but never could afford it...was considering the smaller one but didn't know if it was strong enough.. > > Mayby there is something to this juicing! I can feel > that my energy > level has incr are you doing something consistantly. Would love to hear all about it.. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. 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MEDICINE Ref: EEM00001Date: 10/17/97 From: MEG UMANS Time: 07:50am \/To: SUE ALEXANDER (Read 1 times) Subj: St. John's Wort -> SA>MP> The three-year study will involve 336 patients with major -> SA>MP> depression, of whom one-third will receive a 900 milligram -> (mg) SA>MP> daily dose of St. John's wort, one-third will receive a -> placebo, SA>MP> and one-third will receive a selective serotonin -> reuptake SA>MP> inhibitor. -> I was actually trying to figure out if they were really trying to -> test it -> or setting it up for failure. From your answer, I presume you can't -> help me...oh, well. Sounds like a setup to me, Sue. Note that the people in the trial are people with major depression. St. John's Wort has been demonstrated elsewhere to work for people with minor depression. --- PCBoard (R) v15.23 (OS/2) 5 * Origin: Exeter's Place * Gilbert, AZ * (1:114/449) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EEM00002Date: 10/16/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 10:13am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine SK> But, it's an alternative medicine. If this were a standard medicine echo SK> would drugs that are illegal on the street but legal to prescribe be SK> "off limits" too? I think not. It's just the biased mindset of the SK> moderator that makes certain alternative medicines on topic, and others SK> not. That is pure ignorance. If the discussion could remain a discussion, and not endless quarrelling, I wouldn't mind it being there. I carried this echo a year or two ago, and dropped it because of the bickering, I recently picked it up again, and hope I don't end up dropping it again because of the bickering. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0)