--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDU00002Date: 09/21/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 11:37pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Medical *Censored* -=> On 09-18-97 06:45, Dia Spriggs typed to Tony Peardon <=- -=> Re: Re: Medical *Censored* <=- Hi Dia, DS> If you wish to take , use or whatever you wish to do with this drug DS> is your business...we've had enough talk on this subject. The fact DS> remains that no matter what your opinion is this is an illegal ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ DS> substance. Suggesting the wonders of this when it is not readily ^^^^^^^^^^ DS> legally available is not what this echo is about. WHy not spend some DS> time researching substances with similiar wonderous properties that CAN DS> be available to users of this echo! Hello moderator Dia, With all due respect, as moderator, do you feel that you have an obligation to be truthful ? If so, why do you continue to prevaricate about the legality of substances ? A truthful person would ADMIT that, unlike in the UK where you reside, laws vary from state to state, here in the USA. For instance, in the states of California, Arizona, and Virginia, certain herbs are legal for medicinal use, just like any other prescription drugs. If you wish to declare certain medicinal herbs becuase of your personal prejudices that's fine. Fidonet rules say that you can make up any rule you want, and enforce it without any regard for truth, honesty, or fairness, that's fine. In fact, Fidonet encourages moderators to be arbitrary and unfair because democracy is NOT a tradition that is welcome in Fidonet. But to do so on the basis of some patently bogus allegations about the law is totally uninformed or dishonest and beneath you. So why not be an HONEST TYRANT ? Do you really want to portray yourself as a prevaricating burocrat ? I'm sure you don't. Regards, Ty |\ zz _,,,--,,_ ,) Ty Meissner, Psych Tech E-mail: y.meissner@grape.net /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' "I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for {,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ justice no matter who it's for or against. I'm a uman <---''(_/--' (_/- being first and foremost and I am for whoever and . . whatever benefots humanity as a whole." -- Malcolm X ... Lurena Bobbit for Surgeon General! --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDU00003Date: 09/24/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 08:19am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana & Addicti [1/3 Please discontinue discussion of marijuana...move on to other subjects. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDU00004Date: 09/24/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 08:20am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana & Addicti [1/3 Please discontinue discussion of marijuana..move on to other subjects --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDU00005Date: 09/24/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 05:49am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana & Addiction GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about Re: Marijuana & Addiction and keyed into cyberspace: GL>-=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Ty Meissner <=- GL> JK> Ever see someone killed by the use of too many tranquilizers? GL> JK> Had a gal in a nursing home years ago that had them prescribed GL> JK> for her when she acted up and out. Her real mental problem was GL> JK> never properly diagnosed. At any rate, the other nurses used GL> JK> to give he r the drugs, I used a wet sheet pack when she got GL> JK> too much to put up with. She finally died when I was off for a GL> JK> coule of nights. GL> JK> Doctors and medical people can kill legally. They do this much GL> JK> too often when they are too damn stupid to figure out what the GL> JK> real problem is and deal with that instead of reach for the GL> JK> nearest drug and attempt to apply a fast fix. GL> GL> Most M.D.s really do not search for the cause of the problem. Most people who say that have no real connection with the medical profession and a regurgitating someone else's puke. IOW, male bovine excreta. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDU00006Date: 09/23/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 02:39pm \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addictions STEVE KEMP was thinking about Marijuana & Addictions and keyed into cyberspace: SK> * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST Stop trying to confuse Jane. First you post from Folsom Prison, now from Central Park West, one of the most upscale areas in NYC. Make up your mind. Or are you bi-coastal? :) The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDU00007Date: 09/24/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 05:54am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana as medicine GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about Re: Marijuana as medicine and keyed into cyberspace: GL>-=> Quoting Ty Meissner to Steve Kemp <=- GL> TM> Nothing could be more off base. Cyberspace is PRIVATE PROPERTY GL> TM> belonging to the owners of the networks ! That is the legal GL> TM> reality. GL> Could this be because conference moderators and BBS Sysops GL> might be sued for statements entered herein by someone who GL> takes offense and becomes sue-crazy? No. Because CH's in FIDO "own" the conference. There was a WordPerfect conference owned by a real obnoxious guy. The FIDO hierarchy disagreed with his moderation (and it was very heavy moderation) but they could not do anything about it. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDU00008Date: 09/23/97 From: ANN YOUNG Time: 11:13pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana as medicine *** Quoting Jane Kelley in a message to Alex Vasauskas *** JK> I I am not responsible for the many lies put out by those who are JK> defending their "right" to be stoned to the gills on pot. Nor am I JK> responsible for what happens to the brain after some years of use of JK> the stuff. It has a few thousand chemicals in it when smoked that JK> tobacco never has had. It causes folks to be so impaired that they JK> are unable to hold a job or remain in school. And it also causes men JK> to have a lousy sex life. Those FACTs alone have been documented in JK> one study after another and also have been widely discussed in N.A. JK> and A.A. groups. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * I couldn't have said any better than what you have said,As a person that has used it myself many year's ago,you are very right that it does afect the rain in a way that "some" may have short turm memory loss as I have myself,somking "POT" & I must say that many study's have proven that a few hundred "brain cell's die through this process fo one that does smoke!, & it can cause "infertile" in both sex --- Telegard v3.02 * Origin: The Hawk Inn, Wellington, NZ (3:771/1550) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDV00000Date: 09/24/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 03:29am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana as medicine -=> On 09-23-97 00:41, George Lagergren typed to Ty Meissner <=- -=> Re: Re: Marijuana as medicine <=- Hi George, -=> Quoting Ty Meissner to Steve Kemp <=- TM> Nothing could be more off base. Cyberspace is PRIVATE PROPERTY TM> belonging to the owners of the networks ! That is the legal TM> reality. GL> Could this be because conference moderators and BBS Sysops GL> might be sued for statements entered herein by someone who GL> takes offense and becomes sue-crazy? I'm sure that's part of the reason. I think mainly they don't want any hassles and have observed that the democratic process is messy and full of hassles. Anyway they own the hardware. Why should they extend rights to anyone ? They have nothing to gain and everything to lose with democracy. Regards, Ty |\ zz _,,,--,,_ ,) Ty Meissner, Psych Tech -mail:Ty.meissner@grape.net /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' "I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for {,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ justice no matter who it's for or against. I'm a human <---''(_/--' (_/- being first and foremost and I am for whoever and . . whatever benefits humanity as a whole." -- Malcolm X ... Many are cold, but few are frozen. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDV00001Date: 09/25/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 09:25am \/To: SHARON MCCORMICK (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana & Addicti [ > On the topic of other substances, I've found Dong Quai very > useful for > menopausal problems, and I recently bought my > daughter-in-law a bottle > of the herb...she finds it helpful in relieving her PMS. Dong Quai is good stuff...normalizes hormones..just make sure you or she doesn't have fibroids....it will aggravate them. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDV00002Date: 09/25/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 09:33am \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Medical *Censored* This is the SECOND post of the "message"..we all read it the first time and once was more than enough....please don't post it again.... --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68)