--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDS00006Date: 09/11/97 From: PETE SNIDAL Time: 10:21am \/To: BRIAN SHAW (Read 1 times) Subj: SILVER Brian Shaw wrote in a message to All: BS> Hello everyone, BS> Has anyone heard of the positive health benefits of silver? Yes. I had a fellow come around to my place to buy some automotive stuff I sell, and he was all pumped up on Colloidal Silver. Had some very convincing-sounding pamphlets which claimed it was a natural antibiotic, good for a multiplicity of ills, and was a common disease fighter in the '30's and before "before the big drug companies killed its use." I jumped onto the web and looked up colloidal silver in a few search engines, and found all kinds of positive information about it, but then, the info was all being offered by guess who? - companies selling colloidal silver, of course. That's where the web has gone these days - a few years ago, searching would show university sites with info on research projects and stuff; now everything you search turns up people trying to sell you something. Like I should talk. Look up gas mileage, emission reduction, longer engine life, and you'll find my site (www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly) trying to sell stuff. But I sell it because I found that it works, and hopefully this is the case with the Colloidal Silver crowd. One of the claims is that it's a great Candida Yeast killer. (Can you say Beer Belly?) I'm currently going through a $15.00 jar of the stuff to see if it can save me from another stretch of the only other lternative I've found - The Incredibly Boring Diet. If anyone's interested, and has no web access, I can glean some text out of web pages I've saved and pop some on here. Just ask - preferably by netmail. Best, ps --- timEd-B10 * Origin: Kettle Valley Forum BBS - Grand Forks BC CANADA (1:354/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDT00000Date: 09/23/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:05am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addictions MP> 3615/50 51 MP> JANE KELLEY was thinking about Marijuana & Addictions and keyed into MP> cyberspace: MP> JK> I think that anyone who uses an illegal drug to attempt to "fix" his MP> JK> or her natural brain chemistry is out of his or her mind. MP> That is the finest Jane-ism I have ever read. Not too certain what you had in mind when you wrote that; what I had in mind was the folks who I've met over the past 20 years who tried to do just that...."fix" their own brain chemistry. Which, of course, is the only REAL reason why anyone drinks alcohol, smokes pot, or takes a prescription of Valium or Dilantin. To fix the faulty brain chemistry one is born with. One of the biggest reasons why professionals are taught not to prescribe for themselves is the tendency to become under the influence of any mind altering substance, including certain foods, very quickly once one starts to use them. z --- * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDT00001Date: 09/23/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 12:41am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana & Addiction -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Ty Meissner <=- JK> Ever see someone killed by the use of too many tranquilizers? Had a JK> gal in a nursing home years ago that had them prescribed for her when JK> she acted up and out. Her real mental problem was never properly JK> diagnosed. At any rate, the other nurses used to give he r the drugs, JK> I used a wet sheet pack when she got too much to put up with. JK> She finally died when I was off for a coule of nights. JK> Doctors and medical people can kill legally. They do this much too JK> often when they are too damn stupid to figure out what the real JK> problem is and deal with that instead of reach for the nearest drug JK> and attempt to apply a fast fix. Most M.D.s really do not search for the cause of the problem. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDT00002Date: 09/23/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 12:41am \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana as medicine -=> Quoting Ty Meissner to Steve Kemp <=- TM> Nothing could be more off base. Cyberspace is PRIVATE PROPERTY TM> belonging to the owners of the networks ! That is the legal TM> reality. Could this be because conference moderators and BBS Sysops might be sued for statements entered herein by someone who takes offense and becomes sue-crazy? ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDT00003Date: 09/23/97 From: SHARON MCCORMICK Time: 10:04am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana & Addicti [ DS> Please get oFF the marijuana topic..it's been hacked to death. THere ust DS> other substances out there that are benefical to the readers here that is DS> and readily available. Thank you Dia. I'm sure I'm not the only person who tires of these MJ wars. Nobody wins, nobody loses, and nobody ever learns anything!! On the topic of other substances, I've found Dong Quai very useful for menopausal problems, and I recently bought my daughter-in-law a bottle of the herb...she finds it helpful in relieving her PMS. --- GAPNet Enhanced * Origin: QUACKERS BBS - Cleveland, Ohio (1:157/443.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDT00004Date: 09/23/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 12:35pm \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Medical *Censored* > > A truthful person would ADMIT that, unlike in the UK > where you > reside, laws vary from state to state, here in the > USA. Excuse me..I live and was born in Miami, Florida which as far as I can tell is still part of the US. > > > For instance, in the states of California, Arizona, > and Virginia, > certain herbs are legal for medicinal use, just like It is not that easy to just walk into a dr. office and ask for a prescription for marijuana just as tho it was an antibiotic. From what I understand it is highly regulated, controlled and everything must be strictly monitored, enforced etc..just as prescriptions for drugs such as morphine etc are always monitored very carefully so it is NOT easily obtainable to the general public. This echo was founded to bring information to let people make their own choices for their healthcare and since we have hashed this subject to pieces and since the majority of people cannot legally or easily obtain this substance I want this echo to go back to providing information on substances that people can go and get without any problems. All I see as subject lines is marijuana this and marijuana that. Enough is enough. Information has been presented, accepted or rejected. Now move on. > encourages moderators to be arbitrary and unfair > because democracy is Moderators are here to keep people like you from destroying a good echo thru THEIR own personal hang ups and trying to convince everyone else that THEY and only they are right. YOu are a one subject pony and we've heard enough of that one subject. Get a fido number, make and echo yourself and do whatever you damn well please but not on this echo. If you cannot abide by it's rules, leave! --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDT00005Date: 09/22/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 06:43pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addictions JANE KELLEY was thinking about Marijuana & Addictions and keyed into cyberspace: JK>SK> Do you think people WANT to be addicted to drugs? Do you think JK>SK> that condemning them to prison is the answer? Don't you think JK>SK> that they WANTto stop? Got a clue (and I'm the man to state the JK>SK> FACTS), they DO wantto stop. Remember? I'm the guy that was a JK>SK> drug addict. PLEASE, remember...I said WAS. JK>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SOMEONE WHO "WAS AN ADDICT". Once addic JK>addicted, always addicted, both to the drug of abuse plus any other JK>drug in that same chemical family be at risk of becoming addicted to JK>very rapidly with any use at all. JK> So you are still an addict. Still under the influence of the drug JK>whether it is inside you or inside someone near you. JK> I had to go through that for a period of time when I stopped JK>drinking and became attracted to male alcoholics! The drug still JK>called out and did for some time inside others. JK> I've also found out about food allergies and the very strong pull JK>that foods I am allergic to have on me. Those who know more about JK>this just laugh when I ask questions, then keep teaching me how to JK>cope. But then, I have at least 100 hours of study into the brain JK>chemistry connected with addiction. I don't exhibit my confusion and JK>my ignorance and my denial on one bulletin board after another as you JK>do. * SPITFIRE v3.5 JK>--- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 JK> * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa ^^^^^^^^^ Keeno? Inn? A watering hole where you gamble. OHMIGAWD! Jane has a vice! (Mine's boating and fresh fish.) The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDT00006Date: 09/22/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 06:41pm \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Medical *Censored* TY MEISSNER was thinking about Re: Medical *Censored* and keyed into cyberspace: TM>-=> On 09-18-97 06:45, Dia Spriggs typed to Tony Peardon <=- TM>-=> Re: Re: Medical *Censored* <=- TM> Hi Dia, TM> DS> If you wish to take , use or whatever you wish to do with this TM> DS> drug is your business...we've had enough talk on this subject. TM> DS> The fact remains that no matter what your opinion is this is an TM>illegal TM>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ DS> TM>substance. Suggesting the wonders of this when it is not readily TM>^^^^^^^^^^ DS> legally available is not what this echo is about. TM> DS> WHy not spend some time researching substances with similiar TM> DS> wonderous properties that CAN be available to users of this TM> DS> echo! TM> Hello moderator Dia, TM> With all due respect, as moderator, do you feel that you have TM> an obligation to be truthful ? TM> If so, why do you continue to prevaricate about the legality of TM> substances ? You are being incredibly dishonest with this. Dia was mentioning one drug, marijuana, and all of her states that you quoted above were in regard to that. TM> A truthful person would ADMIT that, unlike in the UK where you TM> reside, laws vary from state to state, here in the USA. TM> For instance, in the states of California, Arizona, and TM> Virginia, certain herbs are legal for medicinal use, just like TM> any other prescription drugs. If you were as legally informed as you would have others believe, then you would know that even though these states may have laws on the books stating that possession is legal, the Federal Law supercedes the state law and holds that possession of marijuana is illegal. Since you are far from being that stupid, I must assume that you knew that when you typed it. So, you were lying. Either way, you are wrong. TM> If you wish to declare certain medicinal herbs becuase of your TM> personal prejudices that's fine. Fidonet rules say that you TM> can make up any rule you want, and enforce it without any TM> regard for truth, honesty, or fairness, that's fine. In fact, TM> Fidonet encourages moderators to be arbitrary and unfair TM> because democracy is NOT a tradition that is welcome in TM> Fidonet. Dia was not referring to **medicinal herbs** but marijuana which is an illegal substance. Period. TM> But to do so on the basis of some patently bogus allegations TM> about the law is totally uninformed or dishonest and beneath TM> you. Pot. Kettle. Black. TM> So why not be an HONEST TYRANT ? Do you really want to TM> portray yourself as a prevaricating burocrat ? I'm sure you TM> don't. If Dia puts up with this and does not get your feed cut, then she has to be the most liberal moderator in FIDO, and you should worship her feet. I have been in FIDO for twelve years. I have never seen anyone survive such a blatant challenge tothe moderatorship. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDU00000Date: 09/24/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 02:01am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addictions JK> MP> JK> I think that anyone who uses an illegal drug to attempt to JK> MP> JK> "fix" his or her natural brain chemistry is out of his or JK> MP> JK> her mind. JK> MP> That is the finest Jane-ism I have ever read. JK>Not too certain what you had in mind when you wrote that; what I had JK>in mind was the folks who I've met over the past 20 years who tried JK>to do just that...."fix" their own brain chemistry. BUT, you met people in a CLINICAL environment, exclusively, I'm sure. THAT is part of why you observe only a fraction of the REAL experience of what you speak of so often. And, I'm NOT trying to dis you or condescend...I'm just trying to give "another viewpoint". We can BOTH agree that drug use is bad, true? Well, I'm sure we can. YOU were a nurse in the capacity of a "treatment advisor" or something to that effect....I was a drug user. I KNOW what it is to be an addict...do you? I'm talking first hand, not what patients TOLD me. AND, we are on the same side. DRUGS ARE BAD! JK>Which, of JK>course, is the only REAL reason why anyone drinks alcohol, smokes JK>pot, or takes a prescription of Valium or Dilantin. To fix the JK>faulty brain chemistry one is born with. SOME people may very well take drugs to "fix" something....now, define "fix". _I_ certainly didn't do this...I was out to GET HIGH! This is an innate drive in MANY if not MOST people. Be it drugs, or pain, or running, or sky-diving, or reading, or education that are also drives...of the same nature. These things are what people use to escape. Some of these things are productive, others are destructive....ALL are addictive. JK>One of the biggest reasons why professionals are taught not to JK>prescribe for themselves is the tendency to become under the JK>influence of any mind altering substance, including certain foods, JK>very quickly once one starts to use them. True, because availability is the MAJOR stumbling block to going back to destructive addictive behaviors. If one is addicted to Crack and is returned to the same area that they have contacts to get Crack...they are often lost to it again. They need to move, break contacts with old druggy friends, and start anew. BUT, taking drugs is NOT the only addictive behavior that is adverse to human's....ANYTHING to obsession is addictive. It is a person's mind that can cure them, or not. You stated to me once that "noone is ever NOT addicted, once addicted...always addicted". I disagree. To believe such a thing is to to a victim for life. To believe that you are free....MAKES YOU FREE! To hold THAT truth is to be cured and clean for life. What this principle takes is ...belief in ones self and ones own true power...no outside force or drug can take that from you if you hold it to be true. Regards. Steve --- * CMPQwk #1.42* Click your heels three times. --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDU00001Date: 09/23/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 09:29pm \/To: PETE SNIDAL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: need help -=> Quoting Pete Snidal to Brenda Lee <=- PS> Brenda Lee wrote in a message to Dia Spriggs: BL> ago, and she is looking for a board to log on in her area, PS> Here's a slice of the Fidonet Phonebook: Pete, I assume the Fidonet Phonebook lists BBS sites that carry the FIDONET system. Where is it available to use? Thanks. George ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454)