--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDR00012Date: 09/20/97 From: FRANK STARR Time: 05:09pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: ATTN Tampa Bay, Florida Residents If you are in the Tampa Bay area, please e-mail me at the internet address of dopler@juno.com. I'd like to discuss preserving a local lternative health radio show.Frank Starr If you have no access to e-mail, query here for my fidonet address. --- PCBoard/2 15.30 * Origin: The 128th Parallel Seminole,Fl 28.8k 813/397-1339 (1:3603/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDR00013Date: 09/21/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:51am \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana & Addiction TM> I don't think that the legal status of any substance has any TM> relation to its medical efficacy or its toxicity. there are TM> literally thousands of 100% legal substances that are 1,000,000 TM> % more toxic TM> than marijuana, morphine, opium, or cocaine. The reality is TM> that substances aren't legal or illegal based on their toxicity TM> or potential for harm. Such decisions (what is outlawed and TM> what is encouraged) are ALWAYS ENTIRELY political. TM> If marijuana, heroin, and cocaine were the drug of choice in the TM> dominant community, instead of alcohol, they wouold as legal as TM> alcohol or tobacco. They were only outlawed BECAUSE of WHO was TM> using them. TM> Now we all know that is true. So lets put this issue to rest. TM> Successful drug warriors know better than to try anything as TM> lame as scare tactics. TM> Regards, Ever see someone killed by the use of too many tranquilizers? Had a gal in a nursing home years ago that had them prescribed for her when she acted up and out. Her real mental problem was never properly diagnosed. At any rate, the other nurses used to give he r the drugs, I used a wet sheet pack when she got too much to put up with. She finally died when I was off for a coule of nights. Doctors and medical people can kill legally. They do this much too often when they are too damn stupid to figure out what the real problem is and deal with that instead of reach for the nearest drug and attempt to apply a fast fix. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDR00014Date: 09/21/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:46am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addictions SK> Do you think people WANT to be addicted to drugs? Do you think that SK> condemning them to prison is the answer? Don't you think that they SK> WANTto stop? Got a clue (and I'm the man to state the FACTS), they DO SK> wantto stop. Remember? I'm the guy that was a drug addict. PLEASE, SK> remember...I said WAS. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SOMEONE WHO "WAS AN ADDICT". Once addic addicted, always addicted, both to the drug of abuse plus any other drug in that same chemical family be at risk of becoming addicted to very rapidly with any use at all. So you are still an addict. Still under the influence of the drug whether it is inside you or inside someone near you. I had to go through that for a period of time when I stopped drinking and became attracted to male alcoholics! The drug still called out and did for some time inside others. I've also found out about food allergies and the very strong pull that foods I am allergic to have on me. Those who know more about this just laugh when I ask questions, then keep teaching me how to cope. But then, I have at least 100 hours of study into the brain chemistry connected with addiction. I don't exhibit my confusion and my ignorance and my denial on one bulletin board after another as you do. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDR00015Date: 09/21/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:40am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine AV> An example of irresponsible use by a few people with prexisting AV> psychological problems. In any event, this is irrelevant to AV> any discussion other than one pointing out that some people AV> create their own problems. The fact that someone is AV> irresponsible or otherwise has a problem does not justify AV> preventing a vast majority of other adults -- particularly ones AV> for whom this herb has significant, medicinal benefits, from using AV> it responsibly. Only one problem, kids manage to get hold of prescriptions issued to others in the family. I spent one very wild night after one youngster got into his sister's prescription for valium that a stupid young doctor prescribed. Kid damn near managed to kill himself off by the combination of the tranquilizer with the amount of alcohol he had in his system. We are now hearing about the drugs that the French driver of Diana's car had in him along with the booze...drugs prescribed by some idiot doctor for his basic problem of alcoholism. That is a classic example of the legal insanity of the medical profession where addiction and drugs are concerned! Whatever is wrong, just fix it fast with better living with chemistry. Including the use of the pot. The drugs synthesized for pain are much more potent and have much less side effects than this noxious weed does. There is no real excuse for its use other than the desire of those who are addicted to it to find some socially approved reason for having it around the house. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDS00000Date: 09/22/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 02:11pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addicti [1/3 JK>SK> Damn people...READ what Jane just posted. Is that the most JK>SK> NON-medicalpap you have EVER seen? This from A NURSE? I don't JK>SK> think so. JK>SK> Cerebral area of the brain? JK>So now you are smarter than the legistlature and the professionals in JK>this state who have put together the manual for alcohol information JK>school! In it is a reference to Post Drug Impairment Syndrome and JK>what causes it. This is an official publication of the State of JK>Washington which folks here encounter on their first conviction for JK>drunk driving. I am certain that among those who are reading this JK>post are others who have seen this in print. In my case, it was as JK>the person who was giving the lecture that day. In others, it may JK>be those who sat there and listened. I was speaking of the non-medical and straight up silly terms that you were using. "Cerebral area of the brain" and such. Hardly a term that a professed medical professional would use. Why? Because it's a nonsensical term. Maybe you meant the Cerebral Cortex. THAT would make sense. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* Grey's anatomy....get it. --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDS00001Date: 09/22/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 02:03pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addictions JK>SK> * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! JK>I'm beginnig to think that the inmates there have nothing else to do JK>but play with computers. Do you have memory problems? This is the third time you have insulted me with this "you are in Folsom Prison" line. I'd appreciate it if you would cease this line of insult. Also, it makes you look the fool. Because, as I've stated before, Folsom Prison IS NOT in the City of Folsom, California...it is located in Repressa, California. Thank you. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* Get thee a map of California...it's that long state below Oregon. --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDS00002Date: 09/22/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 02:07pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addictions JK> EVERY ADDICT WHO USES ANY DRUG IS DIRECTLY AFFECTING HIS OR HER JK>BRAIN CHEMISTRY! Of course. But, you are stating that they are trying to "fix" something. JK> And so is any doctor who prescribes any drug. The JK>difference is that the doctor is supposed to know what the JK>consequences of that action on the individual will be in advance. Exactly. But that wasn't my point, but since you bring it up...don't you think that telling people to take any of these AltMed concoctions is irresponsible, then? JK> A drug addict is merely attempting JK>to alter the brain chemistry that he or she was born with. Period. JK>Without full understanding of what is involved. They are attempting to get high. JK>You know only your own history of use. Period. Exactly. So, why do you consistently speak about what _I_ have experienced during that history? JK> One person in a vast JK>huge amount of folks with problems. And you also haven't the JK>faintest idea of what I am saying so that you are very much at risk JK>for using again when you get the pressures that caused you to use in JK>the first place. You assume I used drugs because of "pressures". You are incorrect. I DO understand what you are saying, though...that is the point. I disagree with many points that you make (when you are actually able to convey one, that is). JK> Or the opportunity to use if you are presently JK>incarcerated. What's this "incarcerated" thing you have going? Oh yeah, Folsom. Well, your ignorance about that is quite evident. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* Got Milk? --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDS00003Date: 09/22/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 02:01pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine JK>SK> You really do have a problem. With all earnestness, I suggest JK>SK> that youget help from a psychologist, psychiatrist, or medical JK>SK> professional. JK>SK> Wishing to murder people IS a psychopathology. Wishing to kill JK>SK> people for their personal beliefs is also rather JK>SK> abhorrent....along with beinga sign of sociopathology. JK> I have a perfect criminal personality curce. So does every other JK> genetic alcoholic. Oh, so you are a genetic alcoholic AND a sociopath. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* Anger is a gift. And you have all the presents. --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDS00004Date: 09/21/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 11:01pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana & Addicti [1/3 Please get oFF the marijuana topic..it's been hacked to death. THere must be other substances out there that are benefical to the readers here that is legal and readily available. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDS00005Date: 09/11/97 From: PETE SNIDAL Time: 10:16am \/To: BRENDA LEE (Read 1 times) Subj: need help Brenda Lee wrote in a message to Dia Spriggs: BL> Dia I am sorry to interrupt the thread over here, but don't BL> know where else to post this, I have a friend that lives in BL> Naples, Florida and is has just moved there a few months BL> ago, and she is looking for a board to log on in her area, Here's a slice of the Fidonet Phonebook: Host,3630,On_The_Gulf,Naples_FL,Glenn_Niesen,1-941-455-6390, ,30,Captain's_Corner_[KE4KTZ],Naples_FL,Glenn_Niesen,1-941-455-6390, ,70,Cat_Box,Naples_FL,Tom_McDonald,1-941-352-9742,9600, ,80,Phase2_Networks_[KD4VRZ],Naples_FL,Gary_Randall,1-941-598-4141, ,150,Naples_"PIB",Naples_FL,Donald_Alderman,1-941-434-3028, ,160,Games_'R'_Us,Naples_FL,Joe_Silviera,1-941-417-0625, ; Best, ps --- timEd-B10 * Origin: Kettle Valley Forum BBS - Grand Forks BC CANADA (1:354/910)