--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDM00001Date: 09/16/97 From: LAIRD KELLY Time: 11:56pm \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Med. MJ censored? AV>So, from here it looks like discussion permitted by law in the U.S. of AV>all alternative medicines is OK. This would include the discussion of AV>medical marijuana, and, for example, any of the other treatments such as AV>those for cancer for which people must leave the U.S. or go to a articular AV>part of the U.S. to get because of FDA or other bans. We just need to be AV>nice about it when someone has a different opinion -- no matter how AV>outrageous. Aye, that's the hard part - persuading everybody to be polite in their disagreements >;-> Laird * SLMR 2.1a * There is no gravity, the Earth sucks. --- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.3M1e * Origin: The Higher Ground, Gig Harbor, WA (1:138/211) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDM00002Date: 09/14/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 05:20pm \/To: LAIRD KELLY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Closed minds -=> Quoting Laird Kelly to Kathy Peardon <=- LK> Sorry, but our moderator (Dia Spriggs) has ruled medical *censored* to LK> be off-topic due to being an "illegal" "noxious weed" 'course Milk LK> Thistle & St John's Wort (among others) are "illegal" to grow in LK> various parts of the country becaus they are considered "noxious weeds" LK> - however, if certain participants in this echo hadn't decided to start LK> a "flame" war over medical *censored* we might still be allowed to LK> discuss medical marijuana - as usual, it took just one rabblerousing LK> "troll" annoying the moderator to make trouble for the rest of us 8-( I thought Milk Thistle and St. John Wort were two good plants. What is it about MT and SJW that might be considered bad? Thanks. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDM00003Date: 09/14/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:19am \/To: ANN YOUNG (Read 1 times) Subj: Alcoholic heredity JK> The Scandinavian nations have done 40 years of research using AY> Where do you get these fact's about the Native indain's,if it is true AY> it's due to the white man!,why the american indain's are the way they AY> are today. Not so. The white race didn't shorten their supply of neurotransmitters and other chemicals. The Native Americans did not develop the chemicals used to metabolize alcohol as other races which used it for centuries have. That is why it is so devastating to them. Alcoholdehydrogenase, to be exact. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDM00004Date: 09/14/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:13am \/To: CRAIG LOEWEN (Read 1 times) Subj: Ancient wisdom lost CL> Now if you get yourself an ash tree, you'll have quite a, shall CL> wesay, druidic collection? CL> I do try to grow a lot of herbs, but my favorite is the mint CL> family.I just got true peppermint this year to go along with the I will look for the ash tree :). I don't know if this clump of Rosemary is going to stay healthy. It isn't in the same place as the other one was. Got some mint, what I could find, and basil and oregano. I hope that it does well. I have some other little plants in with it. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDM00005Date: 09/14/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:22am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addicti [1/3 AV> Consider what is demonstrated about the source in the statement AV> above. Someone who says that all drugs have the same effect AV> doesn't have a clue. Check out the research, Jane. Digitalis, AV> opium, and caffeine each affect the body differently. You are grasping at straws. Digitalis is rarely an abused drug. So is any form of thyroid. However, antibiotics given in too great amounts can and have damaged human beings. Perhaps you need clarification by saying that the most commonly abused drugs will tend to leave permanent damage to the cerebral area of the brain. Instead of quibbling, why don't you go find out what Post Drug Impairment Syndrome is all about and report back to us? * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDM00006Date: 09/14/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:31am \/To: KATHY PEARDON (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addictions I think that anyone who uses an illegal drug to attempt to "fix" his or her natural brain chemistry is out of his or her mind. --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDM00007Date: 09/14/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:27am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine AV> There was no scientific research supporting the legislation, Jane. AV> In fact, the AMA's position that it wanted marijuana to continue to AV> be available had to be misrepresented to Congress in order for the AV> original prohibition legislation to pass. And, of course, the AV> legislation was not reversed after the AMA denounced this legislative AV> fraud. AV> As pointed out by the Merck Manual, the primary objection to AV> marijuana is POLITICAL -- NOT TOXICOLOGICAL. Moreover, the DEA's AV> hearings reviewing ALL of the scientific and medical research, and There has been plenty of scientific research done in both this nation and Canada to substantiate shooting anyone who wants to legalize that drug! It has caused the death of several kids in one daughter's high school class when combined with alcohol and automobiles after midnight. It has made it impossible for others to obtain and hold a decent job. And it has been the subject of no fiction books on my shelves long before this current insanity. The children of genetic alcoholics were the first to claim this is a wonder drug. They thought they were so much smarter than their parents by not using booze and went on to the problems that the pot brings to those who are equally stupid. The Merck Manual is not the primary tool of those who deal with minds affected by pot or other drugs. The DSM IV is, and it states that marijuna is not at all what you claim it to be but a very dangerous and noxious weed. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDM00008Date: 09/14/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:30am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana As Medicine 1/ Saw where you write from, Folsom. Are you incarcerated as the result of your marijuana use? If so, I worked in the old King County Jail and also in the North Rebabilitation Facility in Seattle, had first hand knowledge of just what drugs do to those who are stupid enough to use them. Beginning with the counterfeits that kids were admitted with. Lotsa money for something that looked very much like the real thing but would turn out to be vastly different when tested. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDM00009Date: 09/14/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:15am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pain GL> Jane --> Also, add to the above list: essential fatty GL> acids [EFAs]. Also try to lessen any food allergies. Went to a new doctor twice. I got an agreement that I do need a naturopath type which I will see tomorrow. I've been trying not to go off half cocked on my own and to attempt to locate someone who will do some good for a change. We shall see. Also have to find out why Medicare won't tell me what it paid the new doctor so far. * SPITFIRE v3.5 --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EDM00010Date: 09/14/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 03:46am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Closed minds -=> On 09-12-97 12:19, Steve Kemp typed to Kathy Peardon <=- -=> Re: Closed minds <=- Hi Steve,