--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ED100002Date: 08/30/97 From: BRIAN SHAW Time: 09:50am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: JAPANESE HEALTH TECH ***Quoting Mark Probert who was quoting me regarding a message to TY MEISSNER or something like that.**** BS>My message regarding Japanese health technology seems to have BS>upset some people, but at least Mark Probert was civil, which is BS>more than I can say for TY MEISSNER. MP>Well, the moderator has spoken, and has advised you of the MP>rules, and your infraction of them. What? Are you saying TY MEISSNER's the moderator here? This forum is the twilight zone after all, I thought he was just some nerdy college kid. What do I know anyway, I'm just a "salescritter"! MP>I start, in some cases, with civility. Consider yourself lucky. MP>Someone just emailed me about vaccines and how they are the MP>products of various conspiracies. I burned their computer down. Oh, you got my email then? MP>In your case, I assumed you did not know the rules. I was right. MP>As usual. You were Mark, I am new to syberspace. I can tell there's no conceit in your family -- you have it all! ...JAPANESE HEALTH TECHNOLOGY, IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE JAPANESE! FOR MORE INFO CONTACT ME: nikken@the.connection.com, 416 724-3365 ... A feature is a bug with seniority. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0150 * Origin: Ability OnLine - Toronto Canada - 416 650-5411 (1:250/518) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ED100003Date: 08/30/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:28am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Vaccines GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about Re: Vaccines and keyed into cyberspace: GL>-=> Quoting Mark Probert to Brian Shaw <=- GL> MP> Someone just emailed me about vaccines and how they are the GL> MP> products of various conspiracies. I burned their computer down. GL> Mark --> As mentioned above, there is a lot of debate about GL> vaccines. For example, take polio. There ia a polio GL> vaccine to prevent a person from catching polio. There are GL> some who say this vaccine has caused the polio virus to GL> mutate into the virus which causes the chronic fatigue GL> symdrome (CFS) virus. So does one skip the vaccine to GL> avoid the future event but risk catching the current event GL> (polio) ??? There is valid "debate" and bullshit. The CFS "debate" is in the latter category. GL> A "catch-22" situation. I, myself, prefer getting the GL> vaccine. GL> The above comments gives you the background to understand GL> the reasons behind these vaccine conspiracies. IMNSHO, the "arguments" against vaccines all bullshit. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ED200000Date: 08/31/97 From: FRANK STARR Time: 11:25pm \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: re:Senator Hatch vis a vis CODEX warning23:25:0008/31/97 Not sure what Senator Hatch's interest would be. I've been trying to get a friend to help Mr. Hamel set up an e-mail reflector, so that those interested could send one e-mail message to all U.S. representatives who have e-mail, both senators and congresmen. Have to follow up with my friend and see how the project is coming. --- PCBoard/2 15.30 * Origin: The 128th Parallel Seminole,Fl 28.8k 813/397-1339 (1:3603/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ED300000Date: 08/30/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 05:07pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Open minds On 08-23-97 23:14, Dia Spriggs typed to Alex Vasauskas regarding: => Open minds <= Hello Dia, > The fact is that is legal for some in the U.S. and many in > other > countries. And fidonet is international, isn't it? > > What damage? To how many people? > DS> This echo is based in the US and accountable to it's laws, right wrong DS> or indifferent....this is NOT a debatable subject...PERIOD! As a certified California Peace Officer, I can tell you that * I and ONLY I * am permitted to DISCUSS medical marijuana. Anyone else, conference hosts included are committing a felony by talking about this illegal drug and is subject to a MINIMUM of 10 years in federal prison. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. cc: Attorney General Dan Lundgren, Sacramento, CA Regards, Ty . Ty Meissner . E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. - Peter Spiro ... I'll drive you crazy, but you're paying for gas... ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ED300001Date: 08/30/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 05:11pm \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pharmacutical company On 08-28-97 13:07, George Lagergren typed to Mark Probert regarding: => Pharmacutical company <= Hello George, -=> Quoting Mark Probert to George Lagergren <=- MP> GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about Re: Pharmacutical company and MP> keyed into cyberspace: GL> GL>-=> Quoting Mark Probert to George Lagergren <=- GL> GL> Mark --> The FDA and the international pharmacutical GL> GL> companies want to regulate vitamins and herbs so a GL> GL> doctor's okay would be necessary to obtain them. They are GL> GL> also trying to use international treaties as a means to GL> GL> accomplish this. GL> GL> MP> Don;t worry, there is a Senator that the weeds and pills GL> MP> industry has bought and paid for: Orrin Hatch. He owns part of GL> MP> one of the companies, and votes and lobbies accordingly. GL> Mark --> Good for Senator Hatch (R-UT). Senator Hatch takes GL> dietary supplements. There are several companies which market GL> herbal supplements located in the State of Utah. MP> So, you approve of unethical behavior when it furthers your MP> """principals""". GL> Mark --> The point here, as stated in previous posts, is that GL> people should be aware that big international firms want to GL> use an INTERNATIONAL TREATY to drive smaller companies out of GL> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ GL> business. And if a Senator can prevent that from happening, GL> he should his power to prevent it from happening. GL> The purpose of patenting all existing plant material (what global corporations are currently doing) is so they can charge you a license fee (on top of what it it normally costs you) every time you sprout a seed or grow a plant regardless of who sold or gave you the seeds. Ring.... !!!! <- ALARM CLOCK GOING OFF *** THAT INCLUDES EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR HERBS, folks. *** Kind of like a VAT imposed by private corporations. Business ethics. Free market capitalism. You've gotta love it. Ty . Ty Meissner . E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. - Peter Spiro ... The triumph of evil is assured whenever good people do nothing. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ED300002Date: 09/02/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 11:51am \/To: FRANK STARR (Read 1 times) Subj: re:Senator Hatch vis a vi -=> Quoting Frank Starr to George Lagergren <=- FS> Subject: re:Senator Hatch vis a vis CODEX warnings FS> Not sure what Senator Hatch's interest would be. FS> I've been trying to get a friend to help Mr. Hamel set up an FS> e-mail reflector, so that those interested could send one e-mail FS> message to all U.S. representatives who have e-mail, both senators and FS> congresmen. Have to follow up with my friend and see how the project is FS> coming. Frank --> Senator Hatch [R-UT] is interested in the dietary supplements issue. The Senator, himself, take dietary supplements. Also, there are several companies in the State of Utah which manufacture herbal supplements. In regards to the e-mail address for Congress, I believe most if not all Senators have an Internet e-mail address now. The Representatives may NOT have e-mail addresses yet. Any e-mail message sent to Congress shoul be short and to the point. Maybe just a few bullet points. Thanks for your reply. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ED300003Date: 09/02/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 11:51am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: 5 Discourses On The E -=> Quoting Mark Probert to George Lagergren <=- GL> Mark --> In ref to spammers, is there any way to change one's GL> name and/or address to defeat the spammers? MP> Yes. The spammers usually use software programs to pick up email MP> addresses in various newsgroups. Many ISPs allow for posting under a MP> fictitious screen name. Most people post their real email address in MP> the body of the message. MP> I always send a copy of the spam to postmaster@ISP.XXX. I never get a MP> second helping of spam. MP> ===>The Voice of Reason<=== MP> mark.probert@juno.com Mark --> I have seen people post their email address like this: mark.probert.999@juno.com In the body of the message, they would say to delete 999 before sending the reply. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ED300004Date: 09/02/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 11:51am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: FDA/CODEX alert -=> Quoting Mark Probert to George Lagergren <=- MP> GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about Re: FDA/CODEX alert and keyed MP> into cyberspace: MP> Hatch owns enough of a slice of a company that his individual MP> ownership has to be reported under SEC rules. Mark --> Okay. If any person owns like 10% or 15% of the common stock of a company, that person must report their ownership. MP> I just cannot get over your blind acceptance of this blatant conflict MP> of interest, just because he votes your ideas. If he voted MP> pharmaceutical, I would wager the farm that there would be howling and MP> whining from sun up to moon down. Mark --> Several years ago, the FDA tried to regulate dietary supplements [D.S.]. In fact, there was a lot of howling and whining from people who take D.S., and the FDA backed down. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ED300005Date: 09/03/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 12:02am \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pharmacutical company -=> Quoting Ty Meissner to George Lagergren <=- TM> On 08-28-97 13:07, George Lagergren typed to Mark Probert TM> regarding: => Pharmacutical company <= TM> The purpose of patenting all existing plant material (what TM> global corporations are currently doing) is so they can charge TM> you a license fee (on top of what it it normally costs you) every TM> time you sprout a seed or grow a plant regardless of who sold or TM> gave you the seeds. TM> Ring.... !!!! <- ALARM CLOCK GOING OFF TM> *** THAT INCLUDES EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR HERBS, folks. *** TM> Kind of like a VAT imposed by private corporations. TM> Business ethics. Free market capitalism. You've gotta love it. Ty --> The drug companies are also trying patent "lab-made" herbs as if they are the same as "nature made" herbs. If the patent offices grants a patent on a "lab made" herb as if to cover the "nature made" herb ,too, herb consumers are really in trouble. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ED400000Date: 09/03/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 12:59pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Herbal Information -=> Quoting Mark Probert to All <=- MP> Now, if you want to use a herbal product, and want real solid MP> information, there are some references that are quite good. One is the MP> Botanical Safety Index Handbook. It is available for $39.95 from the MP> American Botanical Council, 1-800-373-7105. Mark --> Thanks for your posting. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454)