--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECY00008Date: 08/25/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 09:16pm \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Medical Marijuana New GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about Re: Medical Marijuana New and keyed into cyberspace: GL>-=> Quoting Alex Vasauskas to All <=- GL> AV> Institute of Medicine in 1982. Many of these studies GL> AV> specifically indicate cannabidiol (CBD), a non-psychoactive GL>ingredient of marijuana, GL>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AV> to be a potent anti-convulsant. According to GL>the United States GL> Alex --> If scientists could change (gentically alter) the GL> marijuana seed to eliminate any psychoactive ingredients, maybe GL> then the debate about the use of marijuana would die down. GL> Do you know of any current scientific effort to gentically alter GL> the marijuana seed? I follow the news quite closely, and so far, I have seen nothing. I believe that it is illegal to even work on that. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECY00009Date: 08/24/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 02:17pm \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pharmacutical company GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about Re: Pharmacutical company and keyed into cyberspace: GL>-=> Quoting Mark Probert to George Lagergren <=- GL> GL> Mark --> The FDA and the international pharmacutical GL> GL> companies want to regulate vitamins and herbs so a GL> GL> doctor's okay would be necessary to obtain them. They are GL> GL> also trying to use international treaties as a means to GL> GL> accomplish this. GL> GL> MP> Don;t worry, there is a Senator that the weeds and pills GL> MP> industry has bought and paid for: Orrin Hatch. He owns part of GL> MP> one of the companies, and votes and lobbies accordingly. GL> Mark --> Good for Senator Hatch (R-UT). Senator Hatch takes GL> dietary supplements. There are several companies which market GL> herbal supplements located in the State of Utah. So, you approve of unethical behavior when it furthers your """principals""". Interesting. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECY00010Date: 08/27/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 10:16pm \/To: BRIAN SHAW (Read 1 times) Subj: JAPANESE HEALTH TECH BRIAN SHAW was thinking about JAPANESE HEALTH TECH and keyed into cyberspace: BS>Hello, BS>My message regarding Japanese health technology seems to have upset BS>some people, but at least Mark Probert was civil, which is more BS>than I can say for TY MEISSNER. Well, the moderator has spoken, and has advised you of the rules, and your infraction of them. I start, in some cases, with civility. Consider yourself lucky. Someone just emailed me about vaccines and how they are the products of various conspiracies. I burned their computer down. In your case, I assumed you did not know the rules. I was right. As usual. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECZ00000Date: 08/29/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 01:07pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Vaccines -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Brian Shaw <=- MP> Someone just emailed me about vaccines and how they are the products MP> of various conspiracies. I burned their computer down. Mark --> As mentioned above, there is a lot of debate about vaccines. For example, take polio. There ia a polio vaccine to prevent a person from catching polio. There are some who say this vaccine has caused the polio virus to mutate into the virus which causes the chronic fatigue symdrome (CFS) virus. So does one skip the vaccine to avoid the future event but risk catching the current event (polio) ??? A "catch-22" situation. I, myself, prefer getting the vaccine. The above comments gives you the background to understand the reasons behind these vaccine conspiracies. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECZ00001Date: 08/29/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 01:29pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: fluoride in the water * Crossposted from: AHEALTH -=> Quoting Mark Gold to <=- Cross posted from Internet USENET: alt.health MG> I'm afriad relying on a trade organization rather than recent MG> scientific information has led to advice that is very poor for one's MG> health. A large and growing number of scientists have spoken out MG> against the dangers of fluoridation -- especially given that all the MG> large-scale studies in the last 15 years have shown that fluoridated MG> water does not produce any positive dental effects. A recent study has MG> shown that fluoride crosses the blood brain barrier, builds up in the MG> brain and can cause gradual neurotoxic damage. Two other recent MG> studies have shown that significant fluoride exposure such as some MG> people in the U.S. have causes lowered IQ scores. MG> In addition, quite a few recent studies have shown that fluoride MG> builds up in the bone (among other things) leading to more hips MG> fractures in the elderly -- a major cause of death in the elderly. MG> Severeal studies have shown that fluoride causes immune system MG> depression. In addition, as fluoride builds up in the body (including MG> the brain) it inhibits enzymes. The amount of fluoride ingested by MG> many Americans would be expected to cause early stages of skeletal MG> fluorosis after several decades of ingrestion. The symptoms of such MG> early stages of skeletal fluorosis include, but are not limited to) MG> pains in bones and joints, sensations of burning and tingling in the MG> limbs, muscle weakness, chronic fatigue, gastrointestinal disorders, MG> arthritic symptoms, etc. MG> Finally, several municipalities have found that fluoridation can MG> significantly increase lead or arsenic levels in the water. That is MG> because the chemicals used for fluoridation are sold to municipalities MG> as fertilizer factor waste byproducts which are often contaminated. MG> Many countries have banned fluoridation or never started using it MG> because of the proven health problems (e.g., through double-blind and MG> epidemiological studies). Given all of this, it is not surprising MG> that read scientists (e.g. not trade organizations) are becoming MG> increasingly concerned about these problems. The scientists of the EPA MG> recently voted unanimously to support measures blocking water MG> fluoridation in California. MG> Anyone who actually drinking fluoridated "Spring" or filtered water MG> is fooling themselves into thinking that they are doing something MG> healthy. MG> For current scientific and general information about fluoride, see MG> http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/ End of message ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECZ00002Date: 08/27/97 From: BRENDA LEE Time: 10:16pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: need help DS--- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) Dia I am sorry to interrupt the thread over here, but don't know where else to post this, I have a friend that lives in Naples, Florida and is has just moved there a few months ago, and she is looking for a board to log on in her area, and noticing that your post is coming from Florida, thought that maybe you could be of help to me......thank you.... ... QMPro 1.52 I'm in bad company...thay's why I'm having fun.... --- Whats NEXT SB&)$N * Origin: The Scrap Bin, Hampton, VA (757)825-9502, 9503 (1:271/320) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECZ00003Date: 08/29/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 05:22pm \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: 5 Discourses On The E GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about Re: 5 Discourses On The E and keyed into cyberspace: GL> Jane & Mark --> For people who want to see commerical ads, GL> they should visit Internet USENET news groups. GL> I do not know whether these I-net news groups have moderators or GL> not. Maybe anything goes with these I-net news groups GL> conferences. Some groups are moderated. Others are not. The alt. hierarchy is not moderated, but governed by a set of rules that permit it to function. One of the rules is that there should be no advertising in the alt.support.XXXXXX hierarchy. I am in one regularly. Advertisers are roasted. Spammers are turned into crispy critters. And trolls are,,,well, let's say that it is not pretty. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECZ00004Date: 08/29/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 12:28am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: 5 Discourses On The End T MP>JK>DK>Send Orders Reveled by GOD to his son Daniel. MP>JK>DK>ACNOS-EPU with payment Foreward to discourse. MP>JK>DK>4738 Golden Valley Dr. Cash\M.O. MP>JK>DK>---------------------------------------> Imperial, MO. 63052 MP>JK>DK> To: 5 Discourses on MP>JK>DK> PROTECTED SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT and GROWTH in the END MP>JK>DK> TIMES. MP>JK>I resent tuning into this conference and finding this blatant MP>JK>commercial ad for psuedo religious tripe. MP>Amen, Jane, Amen. I resent tuning into this conference and finding this blatant religious dogma...about resenting pseudo religious tripe. :-P --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECZ00005Date: 08/29/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 08:59am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Medical Marijuana A NON PROFIT LEGAL, RESEARCH, AND EDUCATIONAL ORGANIZATION The NORML 1001 CONNECTICUT AVENUE NW Foundation SUITE 1010 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20036 T 202-483-8751 ? F 202-483-0057 ? E-MAIL NORMLFNDTN@AOL.COM Internet http://www.norml.org . . . a weekly service for the media on news items related to marijuana prohibition. August 28, 1997 Attorney General, Law Enforcement Back California Medical Marijuana Research Bill August 28, 1997, Sacramento, CA: Attorney General Dan Lungren, the California Narcotics Officers Association, and the California District Attorneys Association announced their support on Monday for legislation to establish a Medical Research Center at a campus of the University of California. S.B. 535, currently in the Assembly Appropriations Committee, would provide $1 million for the first year of study and recommend similar financing over the next two years. The endorsement increases the likelihood that the Legislature will approve S.B. 535 this session. Additional supporters of the legislation include the American Cancer Society and the California Medical Association. California NORML Coordinator Dale Gieringer said he welcomed the Attorney General's endorsement. "We are glad to stand on common ground with Attorney General Lungren and law enforcement in support of S.B. 535. We have no doubt that honest research will lead to federal approval of marijuana as medicine. Thanks to the passage of Prop. 215, California is breaking the federal roadblock against medical marijuana research." The bill's sponsor, Sen. John Vasconcellos (D-Santa Clara), said he appreciated Lungren's cooperation. "After two months of negotiations, we have an agreement that maintains the integrity of the bill's research goals while responding to law enforcement concerns. The Attorney General and I share a commitment to pure, unbiased research, a goal which S.B. 535 embodies." Negotiations between Lungren and Vasconcellos resulted in some modifications of the bill. Major amendments to S.B. 535 include the following: * The state program must comply with research guidelines developed by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) unless NIH fails to provide such guidelines within six months of the state's request. * The program must use marijuana supplied by either the National Institute on Drug Abuse or alternative sources approved by the Attorney General. * Private donations to research are prohibited if they come with any conditions or restrictions. * Research protocols must be reviewed and approved by the state's existing Research Advisory Panel. "California needs a definitive study," Lungren announced at a news conference. "I do not fear the findings of an unbiased research project." Lungren's endorsement contrasts his vocal opposition to Proposition 215 prior to last year's election. Lungren incurred the ire of medical marijuana proponents last August when he ordered state agents to raid San Francisco's largest cannabis buyers' club. Allen St. Pierre, Executive Director of The NORML Foundation, said he was cautiously optimistic about the recent developments in California. "The broad coalition backing medical marijuana research in California is a positive step toward the passage of S.B. 535," he said. "However, recent modifications to the bill -- specifically those mandating the state program to comply with federal guidelines and supply sources -- may stall necessary research from taking place." St. Pierre noted that similar proposals in Washington and Massachusetts have been delayed indefinitely while awaiting federal cooperation. The California State Senate overwhelmingly approved S.B. 535 on June 6. For more information, please contact either Allen St. Pierre or Paul Armentano of The NORML Foundation @ (202) 483-8751. Dale Gieringer of California NORML is available @ (415) 563-5858. New Book Links Marijuana To Melatonin Production August 28, 1997, Washington, D.C.: Smoking marijuana stimulates melatonin production in the human body at greater levels than any other known method, allege authors of a new book entitled Your Body's Natural Wonder Drug: Melatonin. Authors J. Reiter, Ph.D. and Jo Robinson cite an Italian study that discovered significantly higher melatonin levels in subjects who consumed marijuana within the last half-hour than those who abstained. The authors speculate that some of marijuana's therapeutic properties could be linked the increased production of melatonin. "The fact that smoking marijuana is accompanied by a dramatic increase in melatonin production may explain some of the drug's positive effects, [including] ... being used to counteract the toxicity of chemotherapy, treat migraines, reduce intraocular pressure, minimize pain, treat menstrual cramps, and moderate wasting syndrome in AIDS patients," the authors state. Federal Court Upholds Unlawful Prosecution Suit By Hemp Activists August 28, 1997, Hilo, HI: A federal appeals court upheld a $3 million lawsuit brought by hemp activists Roger Christie and Aaron Anderson against Hawaii County prosecutors for unlawful prosecution. Anderson and Christie were indicted for "commercial promotion" of marijuana in 1992 after Anderson ordered sterilized hemp seeds from China. Current law allows individuals to import and possess such seeds. Prosecutors subsequently dropped criminal charges against Christie, but have scheduled a September 23 trial date for Anderson. During an early hearing in Anderson and Christie's suit, Deputy Prosecutor Kay Iopa testified that her office would not prosecute a "little old lady" if she possessed hemp seeds. Iopa did suggest that she would prosecute an individual who "is very vocally, very outwardly, advocating the legalization of marijuana." The U.S. District Court in Honolulu later dismissed charges against Iopa and her superior Jay Kimura, but allowed the case to stand against the county. The recent appeals court ruling reaffirms that decision. "We are grateful for the light shining on the cannabis plant," said Christie. "We are hoping this becomes the last marijuana trial in Hawaii." County attorney Steve Christensen said that he plans a new appeal to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. "Anderson will be an old man before we conclude this," he said. For more information, please contact Roger Christie @ (808) 961-0488. Canadian Activist Vows To Take Constitutional Challenge To Supreme Court August 28, 1997, London, Ontario: Canadian marijuana activist Chris Clay -- who two weeks ago lost his bid to strike down federal laws outlawing the use of marijuana -- says that he will take his case to the Supreme Court. "This is just the first round," Clay told reporters last week. Clay's lawyers, Toronto law professor Alan Young and attorney Paul Burstein, expect to file an appeal by mid-September. "We've come this far, so we won't stop now," Young said. Clay launched his constitutional challenge after law enforcement officials raided his retail store in London, Ontario in December 1996 for --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75)