--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECV00005Date: 08/24/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 07:45am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine Jane Kelley wrote in a message to George Lagergren: JK> Nope. They are defending their "right to use" a very dangerous JK> drug which has been declared illegal by Congress on several JK> occassions. The research done to back that up needs to be JK> re-printed today, over and over again, until those that are not JK> addicted to the noxious weed understand why those that are have JK> this pseudo concern for the medially ill. There was no scientific research supporting the legislation, Jane. In fact, the AMA's position that it wanted marijuana to continue to be available had to be misrepresented to Congress in order for the original prohibition legislation to pass. And, of course, the legislation was not reversed after the AMA denounced this legislative fraud. As pointed out by the Merck Manual, the primary objection to marijuana is POLITICAL -- NOT TOXICOLOGICAL. Moreover, the DEA's hearings reviewing ALL of the scientific and medical research, and the NIDA's research regarding addiction, both came to the conclusion that marijuana had no significant toxicity or potential for addiction. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECV00006Date: 08/24/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 08:00am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addicti [1/3 Jane Kelley wrote in a message to Steve Kemp: JK> The research indicates that the frontal lobe of the brain is JK> permanently damaged by drug use, that higher mental processes such JK> as the ability to plan are heavily damaged by drug use. The JK> research also indicates that the use of any drug will severely JK> impact emotional growth of those who use it. JK> So the term means that I consider the source in your case. Consider what is demonstrated about the source in the statement above. Someone who says that all drugs have the same effect doesn't have a clue. Check out the research, Jane. Digitalis, opium, and caffeine each affect the body differently. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECV00007Date: 08/25/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 10:37pm \/To: FRANK STARR (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: FDA/CODEX alert -=> Quoting Frank Starr to All <=- FS> WHY S.830 IS SO DANGEROUS: FS> S.830, the FDA Modernization and Accountability Act of 1997 is FS> hazardus to your health and must be stopped, heres why: FS> -S. 830 tells the FDA to HARMONIZE America's food and drug law to the FS> laws of the European Union. (The EU treats vitamins, minerals, and FS> botanicals as DRUGS ans is planning on making its regulatory structure FS> even worse in the future.) So what they are really talking about is FS> making our laws match theirs. The FDA is bad enough. The EU system is FS> even WORSE. FS> -S.830 gives a single manufacturer the right to turn a dietary FS> supplement into a drug. Frank --> Does Senator Hatch (R-UT) know about this bill? What about including Senator Hatch's address info in future warnings? I have cross-posted this message to the FIDO Herbs 'N Such conference and the Internet USENET alt.health conference. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECV00008Date: 08/25/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 08:20am \/To: DAN KALISHMAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: 5 Discourses on The End Times!!! This is not allowed on this echo..please do not advertise again.... --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECW00000Date: 08/26/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 02:42am \/To: BRIAN SHAW (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Japanese Health Tech On 08-14-97 17:00, Brian Shaw typed to Mark Probert regarding: => Japanese Health Tech <= Hello Brian, BS>Hello, BS>Please take a minute to review the excellent company I am proud BS>to present, it may change your life forever. MP>Hi Brian, MP>Did you know that selling on the internet and other electronic MP>media is one of the rudest things you can do? BS> I think from now on I'll just forward all my correspondence to you BS> first for pre-approval before I mail it. BS> Did you know that the ultimate in rude is to publicly point out how BS> rude someone has been? MP>You see, people pay for your "free ad". Now, go to your room. BS> People pay all the time for your unsolicited commentaries that may BS> be factual but also tend to be redundant and cynical. You aren't just intrusive, Brian, you are SAMELESS. You're that obnoxious intruder who got me to open the door by false pretense, then won't take his foot out of the door that I'm trying to slam in his face. Obviously you've been reading How To Make Friends And Influence People and think obnoxiousness will make you rich. Well I think you read like someone with a revoked library card. Here's hoping I never hear from you again. You are not welcome at Ty's home, mailbox, voicemail, or e-mail. Ty . Ty Meissner . E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. - Peter Spiro ... Be kind to your neighbor. He knows where you live. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECW00001Date: 08/22/97 From: BRIAN SHAW Time: 05:48pm \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: JAPANESE HEALTH TECH Hello, My message regarding Japanese health technology seems to have upset some people, but at least Mark Probert was civil, which is more than I can say for TY MEISSNER. BS>Hello, BS>Please take a minute to review the excellent company I am proud BS>to present, it may change your life forever. TM>Only a real lowlife takes advantage of a moderator's tolerance TM>or inattention in order to hawk his shlocky crap. Do some research Einstein and you will learn that this company is legitimate and, furthermore, one of our products the TENS unit is available by prescription only in the U.S. You should move to China, they respect anti capitalism rhetoric there. TM>I wouldn't buy ANYTHING from an untrustworthy dishonest lowlife TM>like you ever. Not if my life depended on it. Good, you're obviously a crackpot! And our products address the physical not the psychological problems. Only a born looser would be so closed minded and obnoxious. I suggest you stay in your parents basement and watch Star Trek. Brian Shaw Internet: nikken@the.connection.com ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0150 * Origin: Ability OnLine - Toronto Canada - 416 650-5411 (1:250/518) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECW00002Date: 08/25/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 07:17am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Medical Marijuana News George Lagergren wrote in a message to Alex Vasauskas: GL> Alex --> If scientists could change (gentically alter) the GL> marijuana seed to eliminate any psychoactive ingredients, GL> maybe then the debate about the use of marijuana would die GL> down. GL> Do you know of any current scientific effort to gentically GL> alter the marijuana seed? I don't know about any research to genetically alter marijuana. This is unlikely since it is generally illegal to possess it in the U.S., and the government's demonstrated interest is in demonizing marijuana, not rationally evaluating it. There already exist species of hemp that have either no or no significant amounts of psychoactive constituents. There are also varieties of the species commonly used for intoxication that have very little of the psychoactive constituents. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECX00000Date: 08/27/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 01:04am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addicti [1/3 JK>SK>JK>Sorry, sonny. It is the result of doing intakes on chemically JK>SK>JK>dependent patients for some 25 years. JK>SK>I'm not your son...your calling me same just illustrates your lack JK>SK>of ability to debate with true evidence. JK>Nope. It indicates that this 69 year old female is getting sick and JK>tired of the crap coming from a drug affected source and sounding JK>more and more sick each time she encounters it. I've stated that I'm clean and sober for near 1 1/2 years. Is THIS the compassion that you give ALL of YOUR ex-patients...or just all people in general? If YOU are the model of a "clear-headed" person...then the model is broken. I wished to debate with reason...true, said debates might become heated...but, that IS the nature of debate...CORRECT? JK>The research indicates that the frontal lobe of the brain is JK>permanently damaged by drug use, that higher mental processes such as JK>the ability to plan are heavily damaged by drug use. The research JK>also indicates that the use of any drug will severely impact JK>emotional growth of those who use it. Which drugs? Obviously there is no such research which is so broad based. Emotional growth? What emotional factors are involved....love, hate, hopes, dreams, inspiration, attachment....you really should qualify your statements. For people that have experienced drugs surely have problems (like ALL people) but to put the "retard" label on all such people is surely cruel, and also bound to be incorrect. JK>So the term means that I consider the source in your case. My....thank you for your kind and gentle manners. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECX00001Date: 08/27/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 01:29am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addicti [1/3 AV>Jane Kelley wrote in a message to Steve Kemp: AV> JK> The research indicates that the frontal lobe of the brain is AV> JK> permanently damaged by drug use, that higher mental processes AV> JK> such as the ability to plan are heavily damaged by drug use. AV> JK> The research also indicates that the use of any drug will AV> JK> severely impact emotional growth of those who use it. AV> JK> So the term means that I consider the source in your case. AV>Consider what is demonstrated about the source in the statement AV>above. Someone who says that all drugs have the same effect AV>doesn't have a clue. Check out the research, Jane. Digitalis, AV>opium, and caffeine each affect the body differently. She was just being insulting to me. She lost the argument, so...she resorted to the last refuge of a scoundrel. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECX00002Date: 08/27/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 01:18am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana As Medicine 1/ JK>Get your head out of the fog created by the smoke from the stuff and JK>you might be able to see it for what it really is. A mind altering JK>drug that causes a lot of misery to many people in this nation. Again...I've been clean and sober for 1 1/2 years. For you to attack me in such an unjust manner indicates YOUR psychopathology not mine. The subject was/is Marijuana as Medicine....this is the ALTMED echo. Now, if you'd like to discuss this rationally I'd likewise be interested in doing so. Marijuana IS effective as a anti-nausea drug...smoking, instead of Marinol pills, IS more effective...because it is delivered in an immediate manner (inhalation is second only to injection for speed of delivery). Also, Marinol is apt to over-medication...and that medication is often too late for anti-nausea. As for producing the effect of inducing hunger...inhalation by smoking is also more effective, for THC (only one synthesized ingredient of marijuana, which is NOT a hunger inducing canibanoid) is NOT effective. I've stated to you before...that I have experience with my dying mother- in-law with said effects. I DID NOT partake. Now, if you can be nice and civil, let's debate. And NO it is NOT a NOXIOUS weed...out to kill the kids and society. thank you. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476)