--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECU00009Date: 08/24/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 12:53am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Japanese Health Tech JANE KELLEY was thinking about Japanese Health Tech and keyed into cyberspace: JK>BS>Very good Mark, you managed to write a whole message without one JK>BS>little reference to Jane Kelly. Can you say obsession? You two JK>BS>should get married! JK>I've divorced men for less cause than I've had from Mark. JK>Do your damnable matchmaking with someone whom you can influence. Jane, you are humorless. One day, I hope the docs develop away to transplant a sense of humor. I'll donate mine, just for you. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECU00010Date: 08/24/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 12:57am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Lazy & Stupid JANE KELLEY was thinking about Lazy & Stupid and keyed into cyberspace: JK>GP>For once I agree with Jane that we lack rituals in our society. JK>GP>We have throun them to the wind. TAke for example the transition JK>GP>from adolescence t adulthood. Many societies have formal rituals. JK>GP>WE laclk these. JK>Our society is so damn sick that it takes a beautiful child like the JK>Ramsey girl, exploits her in "beauty pagents" and then kills her in a JK>very brutal fashion. Society did not kill her. Ask her parents. THEY did it. JK>We need rituals for transition from childhood to adolescence and JK>others for reaching adulthood. You go that right! A bar mitzvah for everyone! And we need to crack down on those JK>who would exploit small children for any kind of sexual JK>gratification, no matter how innocent these look on the surface. A good idea. JK>We also need to take DNA samples from convicted child molesters and JK>killers in order to know why these people commit these crimes and JK>stop trying to make outdated witchcraft work. DNA samples won't do that, but it will certainly make them easier to identify. Not a bad idea. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECU00011Date: 08/24/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 12:39am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana As Medicine JANE KELLEY was thinking about Marijuana As Medicine and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>GL> JK> Bull. I have in hand a copy of "Pot Safari" by Peggy JK>MP>GL> JK> Mann, daughter It has Library of Congress no. 82-91050. JK>MP>GL> JK> Since that time, the stuff has gotten stronger. Any book JK>MP>GL> JK> done today in the same fashion would simply find more JK>MP>GL> JK> chemicals in marijuana than the 2,000 referred to in this JK>MP>GL> JK> book. Toxic chemicals. JK>MP>GL> Jane -- If the marijuana seed could be altered so JK>MP>GL> the seed would then contain little or no THC {which JK>MP>GL> produces the "high"}, I wonder if marijuana smokers JK>MP>GL> would still desire to smoke it? JK>MP>While I do not use marijuana, I could see no point to eating JK>MP>chocolateless chocolate. JK>EXACTLY! We have also had the Rand report which attempted to justify JK>the use of alcohol by everyone. That lingered around and killed a JK>few alcoholics before it got shot out of the media. JK>This latest effort on the part of addicts to justify their use will JK>also be exposed, eventually, for exactly what it is. Did I read your email right? Were you here on LI? If you were, and you did not stop in, I am truly offended. I could have showed you a bit of the famous Probert hospitality. A day out on the Atlantic, catching some really fine fish, to be consumed with some excellent company as we watched the sunset. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECU00012Date: 08/23/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 06:42am \/To: DAN SNODGRASS (Read 1 times) Subj: Ginkgo biloba Dan Snodgrass wrote in a message to Alex Vasauskas: DS> out company that we had to wear hair nets and safety glasses DS> and ALSO DS> EAR PLUGS. I have worn them for almost a year i think. I have DS> no wax DS> to speak of and i no longer hear that tearing paper. It makes DS> some people DS> think they are crazy. The Doc told me that the brain is so used DS> to hearing DS> noises that when they aren't there it will make the noises up. DS> I thought i would pass my experience with tinnitus along to DS> you. Thank you for the thought. You never know when your experience might be helpful to someone else solving a problem. It seems that noise can often be a cause of tinnitus, and apparently noise-induced tinnitus can in certain cases be reduced or eliminated as in your case by cutting out the noise. One fellow I know apparently got it like you -- on a noisy job without ear protection. Another figures he got his by not wearing hearing protection while shooting -- his father taught him to shoot guns but never during the teaching process taught him to protect his hearing. The fellow who got the problem on the job has cured it like you did, but it took wearing ear plugs also off-the-job for over a year to do it. I'm glad it worked for you. Apparently tinnitus is also caused by other things, including low blood circulation -- this is the kind that ginkgo is supposed to help. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECV00000Date: 08/24/97 From: FRANK STARR Time: 09:06pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: FDA/CODEX alert WHY S.830 IS SO DANGEROUS: S.830, the FDA Modernization and Accountability Act of 1997 is hazardus to your health and must be stopped, heres why: -S. 830 tells the FDA to HARMONIZE America's food and drug law to the laws of the European Union. (The EU treats vitamins, minerals, and botanicals as DRUGS ans is planning on making its regulatory structure even worse in the future.) So what they are really talking about is making our laws match theirs. The FDA is bad enough. The EU system is even WORSE. -S.830 gives a single manufacturer the right to turn a dietary supplement into a drug. -S.830 endangers the current status of dietary supplements as foods by creating a classification that won't hold up under emerging international w. WHAT YOU SHOULD DO NOW: We estimate that S.830 will come up for a vote in the Senate shortly after October 1st, but it could come up for a vote even sooner. Write, fax, email, and phone your Senators now and say: "Vote No on S.830." Write to the Senate Labor Committee and ask the Senators to request that the chairman not report S.830 out of committee. The address for the Senate labor committee is: Senate Labor Committee Dirksen Senate Office Bldg. Washington DC, 20510 Senator Harkin must especially be called on this because he intends to attach the Access to Medical Treatment Act to this legislation and it would be _TRAGIC_ if we shot ourselves in the foot by pushing it through with a trojan horse of this sort in it! The offending section is Sec. 202 "Sense of the Committee regarding mutual recognition agreements and global harmonization efforts." This section, which can be found at the url listed in the subject line, states: "It is the sense of the Committee on Labor and Human Resources of the Senate that-- (1)the secretary of Health and Human Services should support the Office of the United States Trade Representative, in consultation with the Secretary of Commerce, in efforts to move toward the acceptance of mutual recognition agreements relating to the regulation of drugs, biological products, devices, foods, food additives, and color additives, and the regulation of good manufacturing practices, between the European Union and the United States; (2) the Secretary of Health and Human Services should regularly participate in meetings with representatives of other foreign governments to discuss and reach agreement on methods and approaches to harmonize regulatory requirements; and (3) the Office of International Relations of the Department of Health and Human Services (as established under section 803 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 USC 383)should have the responsibility of ensuring that the process of harmonizing international regulatory requirements is continuous. The problem with this section is that if our food and drug laws are "harmonized" (made the same as) the European Union, American consumers would be subject to the same ludicrous restrictions on dietary supplements as Europeans are. In the UK, they have just banned B-6 above 10 mg without a prescription. Someone in England just sent me the proof of this in he form of correspondence from the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food. The letter was signed by SD Banks of the RSD Nutrition Unit (B) of MAFF, tel. 0171 238 6000 Americans need to be aware of what is happening in the European Union right now with regards to the "Green Paper" on which a comments period ends at the end of September. The Green Paper is pushing for stringent regulations on dietary supplements, to reduce available dosage limits to very low doses such as 10 mg for B6. On the same day that the draft copy of the Green Paper became availabe in England, the media launched a propaganda campaign against vitamin B-6 stating that doses above 10 mg put people at risk of peripheral neuropathy, which is patently absurd. The only two countries in Europe holding out against the Green Paper are the UK and Holland. I hope American consumers can see from this emerging trend that we _MUST_ remove the section below from S.830. Please call Senator Jeffords, the sponsor of the bill at 202-224-5141, fax 202-228-0338, Vermont@JEFFORDS.SENATE.GOV Also call the Senate Labor Committee, and your own Senators and Congressment regarding this, otherwise, we will have _BIG PROBLEMS_. ****************************************** Donations Needed- Am One Person Working Alone International Advocates for Health Freedom John C. Hammell, Legislative Advocate 2411 Monroe St.#2 Hollywood, FL 33020 USA 800-333-2553, 954-929-2905, FAX 954-929-0507, FAX ON DEMAND 954-927-8795,jham@concentric.net http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/hammell/index.html --- PCBoard/2 15.30 * Origin: The 128th Parallel Seminole,Fl 28.8k 813/397-1339 (1:3603/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECV00001Date: 08/25/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:47am \/To: DAN KALISHMAN (Read 1 times) Subj: 5 Discourses On The End T DK>Send Orders Reveled by GOD to his son Daniel. ACNOS-EPU ith DK>payment Foreward to discourse. 4738 Golden Valley Dr. DK>Cash\M.O. ---------------------------------------> Imperial, MO. 63052 DK> To: DK> 5 Discourses on DK> PROTECTED SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT and GROWTH in the END TIMES. I resent tuning into this conference and finding this blatant commercial ad for psuedo religious tripe. Jane Kelley --- SLMR 2.1a All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here. * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECV00002Date: 08/25/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:47am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Food Supplements In D GL> GL> Pi> The future availability and legal status of herbs, vitamins, GL> GL> Pi> amino acids, minerals and all other supplements in the U.S. GL> GL> Pi> and throughout the world, may be determined by a committee GL> GL> Pi> made up of 146 nations called the Codex Alimentarius GL> GL> Pi> Commission, which operates in conjunction with the United GL> GL> Pi> Nations and the World Health Organization (WHO). GL> JK> So once again they gather to hunt down the witches. GL> Jane --> This Codex committee met in Bonn, Germany GL> in October, 1996 to try to draft an international GL> treaty to EITHER ban vitamins/minerals/amino acids/herbs GL> or lessen their potency per pill/capsule so one would GL> have to take a whole bottle per serving. As I said, again hunt down the witches. Who never did most of the things that they were accused of, but were harmless folk who knew something about herbs. The first hunters were supposed to be the Druids. --- SLMR 2.1a hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY? * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECV00003Date: 08/25/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:47am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pain GL> JK> Thanks. I took grape seed extract for some time and have dropped it GL> JK> as it didn't seem to do all that much for this sort of pain. The GL> JK> glucosamine and chondroitin seem to do more. GL> Jane --> Also, add to the above list: essential fatty acids GL> [EFAs]. Also try to lessen any food allergies. Have some posts on that subject that someone sent to me. I learned more than I ever thought possible, keep it around for reference. I am also taking evening primrose at night, have found a salad dressing that tastes good to me....Balsamic. It is used in fancy resturants on the eastern end of Long Island. Now I will eat salads. That gets me some of the better oils. That still isn't up to what it should be. Some years ago I was tested for food allergies and decided that it was too much bother to attempt to eliminate all of them. So I didn't. Now I wish I hadn't been so "smart". I am finding out that they change over the years and I am dropping anything that gives me any problems at all. --- SLMR 2.1a Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECV00004Date: 08/25/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:47am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pharmacutical Company GL> GL> be necessary to obtain them. They are also trying to use GL> GL> international treaties as a means to accomplish this. GL> JK> That means we stockpile them again just as our ancestors once did. GL> JK> And little old ladies beware those who want their money and land. GL> And who want to take away their dietary supplements. Lessee, if it is the German companies, did they arrive at this decision after ingesting their beer or their schnapps? --- SLMR 2.1a My reality check just bounced. * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255)