--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECT00007Date: 08/23/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:41am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana As Medicine 1/ SK>JK>GP>I wonder from when comes your authority for making broad-based SK>JK>GP>claims about ill effects of Mariju AS I see it, the substance is SK>JK>GP>very understudied, becau of the abuse histeria. We would be doing SK>JK>GP>ourselves a serve as a society to able to put it to study and real SK>JK>GP>find out what affects it has. As I have se it used, I doubt what SK>JK>GP>you say, but anecdotal is all any of us have to make o claims. SK>JK>Gary, wake up. I have quoted books that can be found today which are SK>JK>both factual and contain extensive material indicating that marijuana SK>JK>is actually much worse for the human body than nicotine ever thought SK>JK>of being. SK>They are books of lies. PERIOD! Get your head out of the fog created by the smoke from the stuff and you might be able to see it for what it really is. A mind altering drug that causes a lot of misery to many people in this nation. --- SLMR 2.1a Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECT00008Date: 08/23/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:41am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Paik DS>> Anyone know about the burning pain? It seems to be "left DS>> over" from the arthritis and isn't the same kind of pain. DS>Sounds neurological....how's your E intake. Have you checked for clogged DS>veins in the leg? B vitamins also help nerve problems..have any problem wit DS>cholesterol?..Have you tried anything like whirlpool or water exercises or DS>the legs to keep the circulation flowing thru smoothly? I hear they even DS>have those kind of things for bathtubs now. 1. 400 mg. of E daily. 2. No clogged veins, some varicose 3. Taking what B I can, B6 and niacinamide 4. Cholesterol was very high at one time, reduced fat intake to the point where it got too low. Now using sane fats. 5. No Also, doctor recommended a cream with a pepper base for the pain. I tried that for a couple of days around two weeks ago for around three days, putting it ONLY on the right knee and leg. I put Bengay on the left. The right knee/leg promptly hurt so much I couldn't get to sleep at night! I called the doctor and reported, discontinued the medication. I AM STILL HURTING! Honest. That is the importance of paying attention to food allergies! I did not put down an allergy to the nightshade family when doing the paperwork for the intake. If I had, he would not have told me to get the damn stuff and use it. I found the information on the literature inside the box AFTER I had put some on one leg. I will get back to him and I will demand a referral to a specialist in allergies before going to any neurologist. --- SLMR 2.1a hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY? * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECT00009Date: 08/23/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:41am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Pharmacutical Companys To GL> Mark --> The FDA and the international pharmacutical companies GL> want to regulate vitamins and herbs so a doctor's okay would GL> be necessary to obtain them. They are also trying to use GL> international treaties as a means to accomplish this. GL> This regulation effort will be in the news more as time passes. I've found an M.D. who is also a naturopath and will prescribe herbal remedies. ----- Operator Halted! --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECT00010Date: 08/23/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 02:12pm \/To: DAN SNODGRASS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: acupuncture -=> Quoting Dan Snodgrass to Royce Sharp <=- DS> be fifty five. Cutting to the chase now. My Darling has back pain. Dan --> You may wish to check if there are any natrapathic doctors [N.D.] in your local area. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECT00011Date: 08/23/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 02:12pm \/To: CRAIG LOEWEN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Ancient wisdom lost -=> Quoting Craig Loewen to Jane Kelley <=- JK>I've got chamomile growing wild around here. Is there any danger in JK>picking and saving this plant? CL> ** I'm a new subscriber here in the Gettysburg, PA area and a CL> hardcore herb freak. I'd say if you've made a positive ID and it CL> isn't growing too close to a road, go for it. Craig --> You may also wish to try the FIDO Herbs 'N Such conference. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECT00012Date: 08/23/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 02:12pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: FOOD SUPPLEMENTS IN DANGE -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to George Lagergren <=- GL> Pi> The future availability and legal status of herbs, vitamins, GL> Pi> amino acids, minerals and all other supplements in the U.S. GL> Pi> and throughout the world, may be determined by a committee GL> Pi> made up of 146 nations called the Codex Alimentarius GL> Pi> Commission, which operates in conjunction with the United GL> Pi> Nations and the World Health Organization (WHO). JK> So once again they gather to hunt down the witches. Jane --> This Codex committee met in Bonn, Germany in October, 1996 to try to draft an international treaty to EITHER ban vitamins/minerals/amino acids/herbs or lessen their potency per pill/capsule so one would have to take a whole bottle per serving. The big German drug companies want to achieve this objective so people can be kept in a continuous "sickness" state instead of a "wellness" state. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECT00013Date: 08/23/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 02:12pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pain -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to George Lagergren <=- GL> Jane -- Along with your use of glucosamine and chondrotin, are GL> you taking aloe vera? Aloe vera is good for removing toxins GL> from the body. Also, taking grape seed extract may loosen up the GL> whole body. And of course making sure one's vitamin/mineral GL> supplement has the mineral boron in it. JK> Thanks. I took grape seed extract for some time and have dropped it JK> as it didn't seem to do all that much for this sort of pain. The JK> glucosamine and chondroitin seem to do more. Jane --> Also, add to the above list: essential fatty acids [EFAs]. Also try to lessen any food allergies. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECT00014Date: 08/23/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 02:12pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pharmacutical company -=> Quoting Mark Probert to George Lagergren <=- GL> Mark --> The FDA and the international pharmacutical GL> companies want to regulate vitamins and herbs so a GL> doctor's okay would be necessary to obtain them. They are GL> also trying to use international treaties as a means to GL> accomplish this. MP> Don;t worry, there is a Senator that the weeds and pills industry has MP> bought and paid for: Orrin Hatch. He owns part of one of the MP> companies, and votes and lobbies accordingly. Mark --> Good for Senator Hatch (R-UT). Senator Hatch takes dietary supplements. There are several companies which market herbal supplements located in the State of Utah. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECT00015Date: 08/23/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 02:12pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pharmacutical company -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to George Lagergren <=- GL> Mark --> The FDA and the international pharmacutical companies GL> want to regulate vitamins and herbs so a doctor's okay would GL> be necessary to obtain them. They are also trying to use GL> international treaties as a means to accomplish this. JK> That means we stockpile them again just as our ancestors once did. JK> And little old ladies beware those who want their money and land. And who want to take away their dietary supplements. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECT00016Date: 08/23/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 02:12pm \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana as medicine -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to George Lagergren <=- GL> JK> Bull. I have in hand a copy of "Pot Safari" by Peggy Mann, daughter GL> JK> It has Library of Congress no. 82-91050. Since that time, the stuff GL> JK> has gotten stronger. Any book done today in the same fashion would GL> JK> simply find more chemicals in marijuana than the 2,000 referred to n GL> JK> this book. Toxic chemicals. GL> Jane -- If the marijuana seed could be altered so the seed GL> would then contain little or no THC {which produces the "high"}, GL> I wonder if marijuana smokers would still desire to smoke it? JK> and over again, until those that are not addicted to the noxious weed JK> understand why those that are have this pseudo concern for the JK> medially ill. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454)