--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECS00001Date: 08/03/97 From: DAN SNODGRASS Time: 09:08am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Ginkgo biloba Hi, just read your notice. three years ago i started hearing noises like tearing paper now and then and at first it was so real. I put up with it for a while and it could happen any time. I didn't have to be lifting or working it would come and i began to think it was high blood pressure or something. It was so real. I work in a place that is really loud. I have worked there for almost eighteen years. also i became more aware of when i would say "Huh" when people were talking to me and thought it was wear and tear. I also had Lots of wax. I went to a specialist and he said my hearing was a little bit impaired. but not much and i had tinnitus. They made a new rule at our newly ught out company that we had to wear hair nets and safety glasses and ALSO EAR PLUGS. I have worn them for almost a year i think. I have no wax to speak of and i no longer hear that tearing paper. It makes some ople think they are crazy. The Doc told me that the brain is so used to aring noises that when they aren't there it will make the noises up. I thought i would pass my experience with tinnitus along to you. --- GEcho 1.02+ * Origin: The Liberators' Corner - 209-835-4852 (1:208/402) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECS00002Date: 08/03/97 From: DAN SNODGRASS Time: 09:15am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ?Zen JK> electromagnetic energy around us. I am very worried about "ME" I am afraid i understood much of what was said here. I also think that we have to be pointed in the right rection to receive this information. NOrth, south, etcetera. Even northeast. I also found out that i don't own the worms in my lawn Once a girl waded into a cold pool of water most of her was naked, But some of her was light She dipped down into the water. then rose with her wet hands held out to me, like mirrors. to show me the truth about me. --- GEcho 1.02+ * Origin: The Liberators' Corner - 209-835-4852 (1:208/402) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECS00003Date: 08/21/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 09:19pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Open minds Dia Spriggs wrote in a message to J. Doe: > I can't see why this plant is illegal, and -- especially > -- why it's treated so hysterically in this echo, which > purports to be open to what works. > > It's disappointing to discover strident voices seeking > to squelch the spirit of exploration inherent in the title > "altmed." Perhaps my speaking of real results on a real DS> DS> DS> The fact is it IS illegal, abused and does a lot of damage to a lot DS> of people. The fact is that is legal for some in the U.S. and many in other countries. And fidonet is international, isn't it? What damage? To how many people? --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECS00004Date: 08/21/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 11:26pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana & addicti [1/3 MARK PROBERT was thinking about marijuana & addicti [1/3 and keyed into cyberspace: MP>GARY PETZ was thinking about marijuana & addicti [1/3 and keyed into MP>cyberspace: MP>GP>I don't know where I'm coming into this discussion, but I want to MP>GP>point out that we have very little hard research on marijuana MP>GP>because of the irrationale, hysterical vendetta against it, MP>GP>putting it in the same class with other "hard" drugs. I wonder if MP>GP>the strong policy that puts us almost in a policy state with MP>GP>regard to drugs, might have been lent a lot of support by the war MP>GP>in Viet Nam. I want to to point out that hard evidence is not MP>GP>going to an AA meeting and asking. MP>You are coming into this thread well after Jane has shown that she is MP>adamant about researching medicinal use of marijuana. Jane does not MP>want facts, just diatribe. MP> ===>The Voice of Reason<=== MP> mark.probert@juno.com MP> * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY MP>--- WM v3.10/92-0423 MP> * Origin: Blackbeard's Tavern 803-294-9657 Greenville,SC (1:3639/3) Damn. Answer one message about marijuana, and I did not even realize that I moved to South Carolina. Maybe Jane is right. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECS00005Date: 08/21/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 11:29pm \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pharmacutical company GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about Re: Pharmacutical company and keyed into cyberspace: GL>-=> Quoting Mark Probert to George Lagergren <=- GL> GL> BW> This Friday, August 15th, while America is on summer GL> GL> BW> vacation the pharmacutical companys are out to regulate all GL> GL> BW> herbal products. This will mean that you will have to have a GL> GL> BW> doctors prescription to buy vitamins. This means the cost of GL> GL> BW> herbal alternative health care prices will skyrocket and the GL> GL> BW> freedom to GL> MP> Thanks for this entertaining story. It is mid summer and no new GL> MP> whacko conspiracies have pooped up. GL> GL> Mark --> The FDA and the international pharmacutical GL> companies want to regulate vitamins and herbs so a GL> doctor's okay would be necessary to obtain them. They are GL> also trying to use international treaties as a means to GL> accomplish this. GL> This regulation effort will be in the news more as time GL> passes. Don;t worry, there is a Senator that the weeds and pills industry has bought and paid for: Orrin Hatch. He owns part of one of the companies, and votes and lobbies accordingly. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECS00006Date: 08/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 02:34am \/To: JERRYL EVANEE (Read 1 times) Subj: ancient wisdom lost JE> JK> I've got chamomile growing wild around here. Is there any danger in JE> JK> picking and saving this plant? JE> Not that I know of. ANYTHING taken in excess can be dangerous, JE> but you can always find a few good herb books at the local JE> library to tell just how & when to dry and store everything. JE> The pleasure of home-made teas is about to be yours! Have one friend who claims that some forms of chamomile are poisonious. I didn't think that this is true. JE> JK> I planted an oak tree next to my two holly trees. I think there is JE> JK> something way back trying to say something:) JE> ! Holly is a tradional "guard" plant, and oak of course is one JE> of our most ancient and revered trees. Sounds beautiful! I also planted some sage and some rosemary on that bank in amonst some shrubs, and some lavender next to the house. I will have to figure out what to use this stuff for. I'm going to look for more herbs and put them on the bank as I get rid of the nettles. Only way I know of to do that is to kill them off, then dig up the roots. Then they don't come back. * SLMR 2.1a * This tagline stolen by Silly Little Mail Reader! - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECS00007Date: 08/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 02:58am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: FOOD SUPPLEMENTS IN DANGE GL> Pi> The future availability and legal status of herbs, vitamins, GL> Pi> amino acids, minerals and all other supplements in the U.S. GL> Pi> and throughout the world, may be determined by a committee GL> Pi> made up of 146 nations called the Codex Alimentarius GL> Pi> Commission, which operates in conjunction with the United GL> Pi> Nations and the World Health Organization (WHO). So once again they gather to hunt down the witches. * SLMR 2.1a * Press any key to continue or any other key to quit - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECS00008Date: 08/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 02:46am \/To: BRIAN SHAW (Read 1 times) Subj: Japanese Health Tech BS>Very good Mark, you managed to write a whole message without one BS>little reference to Jane Kelly. Can you say obsession? You two BS>should get married! I've divorced men for less cause than I've had from Mark. Do your damnable matchmaking with someone whom you can influence. * SLMR 2.1a * Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECS00009Date: 08/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 02:37am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana as medicine GL> JK> Bull. I have in hand a copy of "Pot Safari" by Peggy Mann, daughter GL> JK> It has Library of Congress no. 82-91050. Since that time, the stuff GL> JK> has gotten stronger. Any book done today in the same fashion would GL> JK> simply find more chemicals in marijuana than the 2,000 referred to in GL> JK> this book. Toxic chemicals. GL> Jane -- If the marijuana seed could be altered so the seed GL> would then contain little or no THC {which produces the high"}, GL> I wonder if marijuana smokers would still desire to smoke it? Nope. They are defending their "right to use" a very dangerous drug which has been declared illegal by Congress on several occassions. The research done to back that up needs to be re-printed today, over and over again, until those that are not addicted to the noxious weed understand why those that are have this pseudo concern for the medially ill. Incidently, the police usually simply refuse to arrest them when they find out about their use of marijuana. That seems to be working just fine. * SLMR 2.1a * I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECS00010Date: 08/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 02:41am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pain GL> JK> Should have been "Pain". I've been taking Glucosamine and Chondrotin GL> JK> for over 3 months and the pain from arthritis is a lot less. However, GL> JK> now I notice a burning pain in both legs, just below the knees. GL> JK> Latest M.D. says this may be neurological in nature, try a topical GL> JK> cream and call him in two weeks. The cream he recommends is made from GL> JK> peppers and I am highly allergic to all of the nightshade family of GL> Jane -- Along with your use of glucosamine and chondrotin, are GL> you taking aloe vera? Aloe vera is good for removing toxins GL> from the body. Also, taking grape seed extract may loosen up he GL> whole body. And of course making sure one's vitamin/mineral GL> supplement has the mineral boron in it. Thanks. I took grape seed extract for some time and have dropped it as it didn't seem to do all that much for this sort of pain. The glucosamine and chondroitin seem to do more. Incidently, I used the cream made from peppers on the right leg, good old Bengay on the left. The right leg, after only three days of light application of the stuff, hurt like crazy at night. I called the doctor's office back and told them, and the nurse said to just use the Bengay. I will try that for another week. I do know for certain now that the pain in my legs is intensified by something I am allergic to. Boy is it ever! The difference in the pain level in the two legs is marked. I will just have to wait now until my system gets rid of the pepper extract entirely before I find out if the Bengay is going to help the other leg also. GL>... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." GL>___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] GL>--- Amie v0.98 GL> * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) * SLMR 2.1a * We all live in a yellow subroutine. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1)