--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECQ00001Date: 08/20/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 01:07am \/To: J. DOE (Read 1 times) Subj: Open minds J. DOE was thinking about Open minds and keyed into cyberspace: JD> NIH Report Supports Marijuana's Medical Potential, JD> Recommends Future Trials JD> August 14, 1997, Washington, DC: Marijuana has therapeutic JD>potential in the treatment of many serious illnesses including AIDS JD>wasting syndrome, spasticity disorders, and glaucoma, and future JD>scientific trials should be funded by the federal government, said a JD>report released by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) on August JD>8. NIH experts agreed that marijuana "looks promising JD>enough to recommend that there be new controlled studies done." JD>Panelists insisted that future trials should not hold marijuana to JD>higher scientific standards than those applied to other medications JD>or required by law. The report also noted that there are patients JD>"for whom the inhalation route might offer advantages over the JD>currently available capsule formulation." FLASH MEMO TO JANE: These guys at NIH usually know what they are talking about. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECQ00002Date: 08/20/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 11:39pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: ancient wisdom lost JK>I've got chamomile growing wild around here. Is there any danger in JK>picking and saving this plant? It's a noxious weed that should be illegal! What about the KIDS! They'll be picking daisies within a week! Then to harder stuff. Daffodils...MY GOD! JK>Just got some sage and rosemary to put in with some other low shrubs. JK>I am going to keep looking for herbs for that area. Now you are going to be a grower? Herb pusher! JK>I planted an oak tree next to my two holly trees. I think there is JK>something way back trying to say something:) I'm reporting you to the feds. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECQ00003Date: 08/20/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 12:44pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addicti [1/3 JK>SK>JK>The young things today take multiple drugs........to hide the JK>SK>JK>symptoms of use such as the lethargy from the pot.......this JK>SK>JK>will be offset by either cocaine or an amphetamine to get them JK>SK>JK>up in the morning and going. For someone who has been hard hit JK>SK>JK>by the booze and the pot, the use of either or both will soon JK>SK>JK>send the patient to an emergency room with an O.D. JK>SK>This is an absurd "cause and effect" theory. Totally without any JK>SK>merit. JK>Sorry, sonny. It is the result of doing intakes on chemically JK>dependent patients for some 25 years. I'm not your son...your calling me same just illustrates your lack of ability to debate with true evidence. 25 years of "doing intakes" doesn't equal knowledge of those peoples internal thought process. Any "theories" that you arrive at are NOT based upon empirical evidence. It's just your *slant*...that is all. You ARE correct...drug addicts LIE. So, why do you believe what they tell you. They are telling you what YOU want to hear. "Give gramma a hug" time. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECQ00004Date: 08/20/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 11:34pm \/To: GARY PETZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine 1/ GP>I wonder from when comes your authority for making broad-based claims GP>about the ill effects of Mariju AS I see it, the substance is very GP>understudied, because of the abuse histeria. We would be doing GP>ourselves a serve as a society to be able to put it to study and GP>real find out what affects it has. As I have seen it used, I doubt GP>what you say, but anecdotal is all any of us have to make our GP>claims. Marijuana has been studied extensively. The MAN just hasn't gotten the results it wanted. It wants pot to be BAD so they can continue to use it as a way of stealing peoples property. Got some pot in your house? They take your house. VERY profitable, indeed. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECQ00005Date: 08/20/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 11:45pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine 1/ JK>GP>I wonder from when comes your authority for making broad-based JK>GP>claims about ill effects of Mariju AS I see it, the substance is JK>GP>very understudied, becau of the abuse histeria. We would be doing JK>GP>ourselves a serve as a society to able to put it to study and real JK>GP>find out what affects it has. As I have se it used, I doubt what JK>GP>you say, but anecdotal is all any of us have to make o claims. JK>Gary, wake up. I have quoted books that can be found today which are JK>both factual and contain extensive material indicating that marijuana JK>is actually much worse for the human body than nicotine ever thought JK>of being. They are books of lies. PERIOD! JK>Go find these for yourself in any decent library unless some idiot JK>has removed them from the shelves. That's because they are outdated. Ever see "Reefer Madness"? You would use it as a factual documentary, I'm sure. There ARE new books, you know...new studies. FACTS are there, not "a nurse sat in a chair and looked at a kid that was WHACKED OUT on LOCO WEED, and that is why they started cutting their wrists" kinda observations. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECQ00006Date: 08/20/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 11:36pm \/To: RAY SCARBOROUGH (Read 1 times) Subj: Mentol and sterility RS>LdF> I have heard say, that mentol (e.g. in cigarets) can cause RS>LdF> sterility in men. Is this true? It is afterall a widely RS>LdF> marketed product. RS>I did read somewere that Menthol has been prooved to cause sterility RS>in mail Rats. :) They would have to smoke alot tho and the amount in RS>a cigarette would be very minimal Well, the rats probably burnt their nads with the matches they used to fire up. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECR00000Date: 08/19/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 05:32am \/To: BRIAN SHAW (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Japanese Health Tech On 08-14-97 17:00, Brian Shaw typed to Mark Probert regarding: => Japanese Health Tech <= Hello Brian, BS> MARK PROBERT as usual had nothing better to do than to police the BS> internet: MP>BRIAN SHAW was thinking about JAPANESE HEALTH TECH and keyed MP>into cyberspace: BS>Hello, BS>Please take a minute to review the excellent company I am proud BS>to present, it may change your life forever. Only a real lowlife takes advantage of a moderator's tolerance or inattention in order to hawk his shlocky crap. I wouldn't buy ANYTHING from an untrustworthy dishonest lowlife like you ever. Not if my life depended on it. BTW, Are you the guy who just moved in next door ? I'll be right over. Ty . Ty Meissner . E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. - Peter Spiro ... Be kind to your neighbor. He knows where you live. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECR00001Date: 08/19/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 05:37am \/To: GARY PETZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: marijuana On 08-16-97 15:06, Gary Petz typed to Jane Kelley regarding: => marijuana <= Hello Gary, GP> I am pleased that you have given some rerences that one can check GP> out. I am open-minded, not a user or a advocate of irrisponsible use. GP> Perhaps it's a just a difference in terminology, but I almost never use GP> the term right any more. I've learned the hard way, that all "rights" GP> are relative. I do argue for one thing, a rationale, sensible, sane GP> drug policy that accomplishes broadly head social goals of promting GP> healthl, reducing crime and helping or at least not stading in the way GP> of people's fullfillment in their lives. Our current drug policy is GP> goinog no where except to greater lawlessness, more people in jail and GP> more crime. -!- Maximus/2 2.02 GP> ! Origin: The Health Center (1:106/6355) Harrumph! I beg to differ. Our present war on drugs is tremendously successful. Just look at the numbers. Its a 500 billion dollar industry if we include not only the tremendous profits but also the cost of enforcement, including incarceration. If drugs were somehow decriminalized; if it was no longer hugely profitable to sell them, there'd be massive unemployment of policemen, bankers, prison guards, pilots, clerical workers, telephone tappers, and lawyers. We'd have a depression on our hands that would make the 30s look like a picnic. Lets never legalize drugs. Brrrrr. the thought of all those angry unemployed guys with guns scares the chamomile tea out of me. Ty . Ty Meissner . E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. - Peter Spiro ... Old birds are hard to pluck. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECR00002Date: 08/19/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 05:50am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pharmacutical company On 08-16-97 06:33, Mark Probert typed to George Lagergren regarding: => Pharmacutical company <= Hello Mark, MP> GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about Re: Pharmacutical company and MP> keyed into cyberspace: GL>-=> Quoting Mark Probert to George Lagergren <=- GL> GL> BW> This Friday, August 15th, while America is on summer GL> GL> BW> vacation the pharmacutical companys are out to regulate all GL> GL> BW> herbal products. This will mean that you will have to have a GL> GL> BW> doctors prescription to buy vitamins. This means the cost of GL> GL> BW> herbal alternative health care prices will skyrocket and the GL> GL> BW> freedom to GL> MP> Thanks for this entertaining story. It is mid summer and no new GL> MP> whacko conspiracies have pooped up. GL> GL> Mark --> The FDA and the international pharmacutical GL> companies want to regulate vitamins and herbs so a GL> doctor's okay would be necessary to obtain them. They are GL> also trying to use international treaties as a means to GL> accomplish this. MP> I'll keep it "all natural": male bovine excreta. Find a few real MP> facts, like names, dates, places, etc. and show it. I have heard this MP> whine for decades. Just don't step on it when walking behind a bull. GL> This regulation effort will be in the news more as time GL> passes. MP> Yep. You have no proof. That's what I thought. MP> Why don't you start the herbal militia? MP> ===>The Voice of Reason<=== MP> mark.probert@juno.com The REAL threat: What really *IS* a real threat to us all, in the way of international law is the pending new intellectual property and patent treaties which would allow pharmaceutical companies to patent ALL naturally occuring substances, including traditional crops that people have been growing for millenia. What it means: It means that a farmer, whether in Iowa, Mexico, or India will have to pay licence fees on all seeds (on top of the cost of the seeds) whose genetic patterns have been publicly owned up till now. Every sunstance we use will have license fees added. Think of it as an added sales tax for the private benefit of wealthy stockholders. It will be administered by the WTO and any nation that refuses to go along with these rules is liable for huge fines and penalties. Regards, Ty . Ty Meissner . E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. - Peter Spiro ... I'm not young enough to know everything anymore... ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECS00000Date: 08/02/97 From: DAN SNODGRASS Time: 11:31am \/To: ROYCE SHARP (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: acupuncture I don't usually answer or question things i read here. They are usually Just interesting enough to me to wade through the keys to see what is going on. Pain. Pain is what brings me here to espouse a bit. My darling wife Helen is fifty years old now. I am fifty four and soon to be fifty five. Cutting to the chase now. My Darling has back pain. and we had a Doctor in San Leandro Calif. Who i believe was co-operating with her needs. He has been giving her injections for two and almost three years now. Epidurals i am given to believe are what the nomenclature is. Pain Blockers. Also Nitrogen freezing of the nerves and the S-I joints with Nitrogen, Which leaves scars physicaly and mentaly. for a girl. I am experiencing arthritus and other pains that i can't explain and didn't have just a few years ago. (4) I am just wondering if anyone has an imput to what i am sure goes around with everyone cause the pain clinic is full every time i go there. Our latest doctor because of an insurance change is the only one we are allowed to see. I tried to explain what the world famous doctor From South Africa, Manny Joel had been doing and the new doctor said I don't care what he did i am not like him. I said well some of these injections left my sweetie paralized for a couple of days and when she could move she was thrashing around on the floor like a harpooned whale. And Manny joel would give her pain medication. The New doctor said, I don't give out any pain medication i just give Epidurals. I said o.k. would you mind signing a dmv. paper that would let my baby have a disability license or a thing you hang on your rear view mirror (Every time i drive i always drop My Helen off at the front door and then go find a parking place) When we/she goes to the store, she has to get one of those little carts that usually older people use to get around. Off the soap box now. Are there any medical personel out there who could offer suggestions. She was turned down for disability by the state (of course) We turned to one of the Johnny come lately groups for satisfaction LIke one half of the first check retroatctive. Still Waiting. Yawn Thanks for your time. Dan. --- GEcho 1.02+ * Origin: The Liberators' Corner - 209-835-4852 (1:208/402)