--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECI00000Date: 08/13/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 11:15pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Codex Alimentarius - Thre * Crossposted from: AHEALTH Message about propoes FDA actions: Cross-posted from the Internet USENET news group: alt.health -=> Quoting C.w. Tazewell to <=- CT> From: C.W. Tazewell CT> Subject: Codex Alimentarius - Threat to Health Freedom!! CT> Newsgroups: alt.health CT> X-Crossposts: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.med.cfs,alt.health.ayurveda CT> X-Crossposts: alt.health.barleygreen,alt.health.cfids-action CT> X-Crossposts: alt.health.hemochromatosis,alt.health.oxygen-therapy CT> X-Crossposts: CT> alt.health.policy.drug-approval,alt.society.mental-health X-Crossposts: CT> bit.listserv.c+health,fj.life.health,k12.ed.health-pe,misc.health CT> X-Crossposts: CT> misc.health.aids,misc.health.alternative,misc.health.arthritis CT> X-Crossposts: CT> misc.health.diabetes,misc.health.infertility,misc.kids.health CT> Organization: InfiNet Message-ID: CT> CT> Please! Urgent! Note Meeting This Thursday/Friday! CT> If you value your right to choose and use vitamins, herbs and other CT> nutritional supplements, check the International Advocates for Health CT> Freedom Page: CT> http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/hammell/index.html CT> And - read this: CT> Please help out by getting my form letter out to more people and CT> please email, fax, and phone this info in to Fisher, and your Senators CT> and Congressman. Lotsa folks are helping with this, and together we are CT> going to win, because we're on the side of the Creator of the CT> herbs..... God! CT> Please forward my form letter to more people. The Commission was CT> mandated by Congress to do one thing, and one thing only: to develop a CT> way by which consumers could have more truthful health info re dietary CT> supplements via health claims on the label. The FDA destroyed the lives CT> of over 7000 kids who were born in the US during the 2 years that they CT> dragged their feet while deliberating whether or not to approve a claim CT> that folic acid helps prevent neural tube defects in pregnant women. CT> NTDs can cause kids to be born with crippling deformaties such as CT> spina bifida. The US Public Health Service approved the claim on folic CT> acid in the prevention of NTDs 2 years before FDA did. Supplement CT> manufacturers should have been allowed to say this on their labels. FDA CT> is hardly a repository of truth. What happened to our first amendment CT> rights??? The Commission utterly failed to discharge their duty under CT> the law. Moreover, they have gone beyond their statutory mandate, way CT> beyond! They are advocating creation of an OTC drug category for herbs. CT> We CAN'T allow this! It would constitute Codex harmonization! No Way! CT> Please forward this note and my form letter to more people, and urge CT> them to ACT TODAY! The meeting we are trying to influence is this CT> thursday and friday! CT> PUBLIC TESTIMONY MUST BE ALLOWED TO BE HEARD AT FINAL MEETING OF CT> COMMISSION ON DIETARY SUPPLEMENT LABELS 8/14-8/15 CT> Kenneth D. Fisher, Ph.D. Executive Director CT> Commission on Dietary Supplement Labels CT> Tel. 202-401-5811, Fax 202-205-0463, email cdsl@birchdavis.com CT> Dr. Fisher: CT> A caller to your office was told by Sandy Saunders that public CT> testimony would be disallowed by the Commission at its last meeting to CT> be held at the Hyatt Regency Reston, Reston Town Center, 1800 CT> Presidents Street, Reston, Virginia from 8:30 am- 4:30 August 14, and CT> from 8:30- 3PM August 15th. I feel that it would be a GROSS INJUSTICE CT> to disallow public testimony in this all important closing meeting, CT> ESPECIALLY due to the ENORMOUS CONTROVERSY that your draft report has CT> already caused, and is CERTAIN to continue to cause unless massively CT> re-written so as to be in compliance with the law, and to PROPERLY CT> carry out the mandate given to you by Congress! CT> Of the 123 comments received by your Commission by 8/5, at least 82 CT> (2/3rds) called for an extension on the comments period- wanting it to CT> be extended until the end of OCTOBER to give the public sufficient time CT> to procure your 77 page draft report, to read it, and to draft CT> comments. (Congress is not in session and lots of people are on CT> vacation. This is a SCAM!) CT> I am aware that Emord and Associates has stated in comments submitted CT> to your Commission that under 21 U.S.C. 321 et.seq. 1994 (The Dietary CT> Supplement Health and Education Act), the Commission possesses no CT> power or authority other than defined by statute. I am aware that the CT> Commission has failed to discharge its duties. I am angered that the CT> commission has made no effort to evaluate FDA's prior restraint of CT> truthful health claims from reaching consumers via dietary supplement CT> labels and labelling. I am aware that the FDA has made no effort to CT> define "significant scientific agreement", and that your commission CT> utterly fails to evaluate any alternatives for providing truthful and CT> non misleading health information to consumers on labels and in CT> labeling. I am aware that the Commission exceeded its statutory CT> authority by issuing recommendations regarding OTC products. I demand CT> that all ultra vires recommendations be removed from your final report: CT> recommendations concerning safety of dietary supplements, the format of CT> letters of notification for statements of nutritional support, the CT> maintenance of files substantiating those claims, OTC regulations of CT> botanicals, and funding and incentive for scientific research. STICK to CT> the task AT HAND. You have FAILED in your MANDATE! CT> Moreover, I demand that the Commission not assist the CT> European-American Phytomedicines Coalition to infiltrate the American CT> market in herbal products. I strongly suggest that the Commission not CT> cater to the interests of multinational trade associations such as CT> EAPC, and I advise that the Commission not issue a final report without CT> VERY CAREFULLY reading the comments submitted by Suzanne Harris, JD of CT> the Law Loft on behalf of the Life Extension Foundation, and National CT> Health Federation which analyze the extreme importance of not blurring CT> the lines between food and drugs in order to protect US business CT> interests, as well as consumer rights considering emerging CT> international law! Signed: CT> CT> Address City: CT> State: Zip CT> (Form Letter Provided by International Advocates for Health Freedom CT> 800-333-2553 CT> 2411 Monroe St. Hollywood, Florida CT> http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/hammell/index.html) CT> ****************************************** CT> Donations Needed- Am One Person Working Alone CT> International Advocates for Health Freedom CT> John C. Hammell, Legislative Advocate CT> 2411 Monroe St.#2 Hollywood, FL 33020 USA CT> 800-333-2553, 954-929-2905, FAX 954-929-0507, CT> FAX ON DEMAND 954-927-8795,jham@concentric.net CT> http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/hammell/index.html End of message ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECJ00000Date: 08/12/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 09:59pm \/To: BRIAN SHAW (Read 1 times) Subj: JAPANESE HEALTH TECH BRIAN SHAW was thinking about JAPANESE HEALTH TECH and keyed into cyberspace: BS>Hello, BS>Please take a minute to review the excellent company I am proud to BS>present, it may change your life forever. Hi Brian, Did you know that selling on the internet and other electronic media is one of the rudest things you can do? You see, people pay for your "free ad". Now, go to your room. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECJ00001Date: 08/13/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:57am \/To: GARY PETZ (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana & addicti [1/3 GARY PETZ was thinking about marijuana & addicti [1/3 and keyed into cyberspace: GP>I don't know where I'm coming into this discussion, but I want to GP>point out that we have very little hard research on marijuana because GP>of the irrationale, hysterical vendetta against it, putting it in the GP>same class with other "hard" drugs. I wonder if the strong policy GP>that puts us almost in a policy state with regard to drugs, might GP>have been lent a lot of support by the war in Viet Nam. GP>I want to to point out that hard evidence is not going to an AA GP>meeting and asking. You are coming into this thread well after Jane has shown that she is adamant about researching medicinal use of marijuana. Jane does not want facts, just diatribe. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECJ00002Date: 08/13/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:56am \/To: GEORGE LAGERGREN (Read 1 times) Subj: Pharmacutical companys to GEORGE LAGERGREN was thinking about Pharmacutical companys to and keyed into cyberspace: GL> BW> This Friday, August 15th, while America is on summer vacation GL> BW> the pharmacutical companys are out to regulate all herbal GL> BW> products. This will mean that you will have to have a doctors GL> BW> prescription to buy vitamins. This means the cost of herbal GL> BW> alternative health care prices will skyrocket and the freedom to GL> BW> use herbs will be gone forever. If you can contact any state and GL> BW> local government officials and tell them that you want herbal GL> BW> products to remain outside the regulation of pharacutical GL> BW> companies. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks for this entertaining story. It is mid summer and no new whacko conspiracies have pooped up. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECJ00003Date: 08/12/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 02:57am \/To: ERIC MCDONALD (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: A Drink Or 2 A Day EM>JK> The Jews have had alcohol for many years also and most are immune to the EM>JK> disease. They also use it moderately. EM>Where do you get your facts on this subject!!!! EM>In the jewish home land of Isreal the problem is just as bad here. EM>just because a culture has had the drink around for hundreds of years EM>doesn't mean they are Imune to its affects.. The problem of addiction EM>is caused by the enviorment surrounding the person. Not according to Dr. James Milam of the Milam Recovery Program in Seattle. Dr. Milam began modern treatment for alcoholism in this state several years ago with his theories and has sparked research which has found genetic reasons why people drink. His research indicates that alcoholism is most severe in cultures who have had it the shortest length of time, such as the American Indian. The Scandinavian nations have done 40 years of research using identical twins that were separated at birth, grew up to become alcoholics no matter or how they were raised. Russia sent her scientists over here to study our methods after the first contingent of American Alcoholics from A.A. went there around the time we bombed Kadafi in North Africa. They were treated with a lot of respect and guarded as well as the Russian crown jewels.....in the Kremlin in a time of potential trouble. Enviorment doesn't play as much importance in the use of alcohol and/or other drugs by those who are genetically at risk as does teaching them how to achieve desired changes in brain chemistry without drugs. * SLMR 2.1a * We all live in a yellow subroutine. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECJ00004Date: 08/12/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 03:05am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addicti [1/3 SK>JK>The young things today take multiple drugs........to hide the SK>JK>symptoms of use such as the lethargy from the pot.......this will be SK>JK>offset by either cocaine or an amphetamine to get them up in the SK>JK>morning and going. For someone who has been hard hit by the booze SK>JK>and the pot, the use of either or both will soon send the patient to SK>JK>an emergency room with an O.D. SK>This is an absurd "cause and effect" theory. Totally without any merit. Sorry, sonny. It is the result of doing intakes on chemically dependent patients for some 25 years. SK>Some people are more at risk for addiction due to their addictive SK>personalities. "Masking the effects of alcohol or pot" is not EVEN a SK>logical inference. Stop trying to use some very lousy and very outdated MENTAL HEALTH to explain away a physical problem of addiction. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY. This is a blatant lie associated with Skinner's theories. Those work on only 80% of all humans in this nation, incidently. The other 20% are those with genetic alcoholism in one form or another. Skinner's theories don't work on them at all. Any true alcoholic can play much better games than the therapist knows of. SK>JK> And the only way to find out seems to be to use the drugs. SK>What does that mean? You mean to see if they have an addictive SK>personality? NO ONE HAS AN ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY, Steve. There is no such thing at all. And we refuse to do the P.E.T. scans that will detect differences in brain chemistry which is what this is all about. The addict is using the drugs to correct a faulty neurotransmitter or two or three or some other part of the brain chemistry. Without really knowing what is off in the first place, or what the results of the experimentation is all about. Kinda stupid, huh? What this boils down to is that the immune system, the enzyme system, and all of the other body chemistry is linked together. What affects one of them will affect them all. And when one is out of whack, the human being does not function well at all. Fixing that with unknown drugs is stupid. Fixing that with what some doctors use is also stupid. It should be criminal. * SLMR 2.1a * Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECJ00005Date: 08/12/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 02:58am \/To: GARY PETZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine 1/ GP>I wonder from when comes your authority for making broad-based claims bout GP>ill effects of Mariju AS I see it, the substance is very understudied, becau GP>of the abuse histeria. We would be doing ourselves a serve as a society o GP>able to put it to study and real find out what affects it has. As I have se GP>it used, I doubt what you say, but anecdotal is all any of us have to make o GP>claims. Gary, wake up. I have quoted books that can be found today which are both factual and contain extensive material indicating that marijuana is actually much worse for the human body than nicotine ever thought of being. Go find these for yourself in any decent library unless some idiot has removed them from the shelves. * SLMR 2.1a * On a clear disk you can seek forever - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECK00000Date: 08/15/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 11:25am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Pharmacutical companys to -=> Quoting Mark Probert to George Lagergren <=- GL> BW> This Friday, August 15th, while America is on summer vacation GL> BW> the pharmacutical companys are out to regulate all herbal GL> BW> products. This will mean that you will have to have a doctors GL> BW> prescription to buy vitamins. This means the cost of herbal GL> BW> alternative health care prices will skyrocket and the freedom to MP> Thanks for this entertaining story. It is mid summer and no new whacko MP> conspiracies have pooped up. Mark --> The FDA and the international pharmacutical companies want to regulate vitamins and herbs so a doctor's okay would be necessary to obtain them. They are also trying to use international treaties as a means to accomplish this. This regulation effort will be in the news more as time passes. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECK00001Date: 08/12/97 From: JERRYL EVANEE Time: 10:44am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: ancient wisdom lost JK> I've got chamomile growing wild around here. Is there any danger in JK> picking and saving this plant? Not that I know of. ANYTHING taken in excess can be dangerous, but you can always find a few good herb books at the local library to tell just how & when to dry and store everything. The pleasure of home-made teas is about to be yours! JK> I planted an oak tree next to my two holly trees. I think there is JK> something way back trying to say something:) ! Holly is a tradional "guard" plant, and oak of course is one of our most ancient and revered trees. Sounds beautiful! ... ...... --- Blue Wave v2.12 * Origin: Eclectic Lab-The Holistic Lifestyle Board [604]524-9046 1:153/831) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECK00002Date: 08/14/97 From: BRIAN SHAW Time: 05:00pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Japanese Health Tech MARK PROBERT as usual had nothing better to do than to police the internet: MP>BRIAN SHAW was thinking about JAPANESE HEALTH TECH and keyed MP>into cyberspace: BS>Hello, BS>Please take a minute to review the excellent company I am proud BS>to present, it may change your life forever. MP>Hi Brian, MP>Did you know that selling on the internet and other electronic MP>media is one of the rudest things you can do? I think from now on I'll just forward all my correspondence to you first for pre-approval before I mail it. Did you know that the ultimate in rude is to publicly point out how rude someone has been? MP>You see, people pay for your "free ad". Now, go to your room. People pay all the time for your unsolicited commentaries that may be factual but also tend to be redundant and cynical. Some chronically ill people are not happy with main stream medicine and are benefiting from this technology. Very good Mark, you managed to write a whole message without one little reference to Jane Kelly. Can you say obsession? You two should get married! Brian Shaw nikken@the.connection.com ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0150 * Origin: Ability OnLine - Toronto Canada - 416 650-5411 (1:250/518)