--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECF00002Date: 08/10/97 From: TOM HUBER Time: 12:52pm \/To: LEAH ROZHON (Read 1 times) Subj: Comment 08/09/97 9:12pm LR>Hi Tom, >What's happened to the mail flow? There's been nothing in either >echomail or netmail for two days now. Is the problem here, or somewhere >upstream? I wasn't sure if you were aware of the situation. Thanks for the head's up. I hadn't gotten around to activating the pack function and the hard disk filled up. When that happens, the tosser stops tossing and holds everything until disk space becomes available. I did a partial repack in order to toss the mail, so you won't have lost anything from your last download. It looks like the stoppage took place with Wednesday's traffic. All uploaded traffic from you has been going out as it should. Tom --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Star Spawn BBS (1:115/477.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECF00003Date: 08/09/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 04:25pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: NIH & Marijuana Well, the NIH study on marijuana is now out. Seems that there is a ton of anecdotal evidence that its use benefits serveral disorders. The study recommended ***studying*** its effects. (Jane, that means that they did not recommend using it.) The study did point out that smoking it is probably quite harmful, considering the combustion by-products. Of course the radical right wingers that Jane abhors have come out against even studying the evil weed. Those who oppose studying it are opposed to expanding knowledge and are afraid that they may be wrong. Now, I hope that clear thinkers like Jane want to expand the pool of human knowledge and will support studying its medicinal use. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECF00004Date: 08/10/97 From: FRANK STARR Time: 07:22pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: FDA VS Vitamins I of II From: John Hammell Return-path: To: Paracelsus@teleport.com Cc: President@whitehouse.gov, tom_harkin@harkin.senate.gov, senator_mack@jec.senate.gov Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WHO DOES FISHER ANSWER TO? (JUST SAY NO TO EUROPEAN-AMERICAN PHYTOMEDICINES COALITION) WARNING to DIETARY SUPPLEMENT CONSUMERS: If you sent in my last form letter, between us we have submitted over half of the comments the Commission has received, but WE CAN'T STOP NOW!!! Here is why: I have read the comments submitted to the Commission on Dietary Supplement Labels by the Eurpean-American Phytomedicines Coalition. Needless to say, this multinational pack of SCAMMERS are the DRIVING force behind the push to create an OTC market for herbs in the US. Their effort constitutes Codex harmonization. Please attach your own note of outrage to the letter I have below, and fax or email it in to President Clinton, Senators Hatch and Harkin, as well as your own Senators and Representatives. The final meeting of the Commission is this coming thursday and friday in DC. Congress doesn't come back in til the first week in Sept. This is a major scam. Foods ARE NOT DRUGS! ***********************Please forward this warning to more people********************************** International Advocates for Health Freedom 8/9/97 John C. Hammell, legislative advocate 2411 Monroe St. Hollywood, Florida Republic, America 800-333-2553, fax on demand 954-927-8795, fax 954-929-0507 jham@concentric.net, http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/hammell/index.html President Clinton president@whitehouse.gov Senator Orrin G. Hatch c/o Tricia Knight Fax 202-224-6331 Senator Tom Harkin c/o Sabrina Corlette Fax 202-224-9369 tom_harkin@harkin.senate.gov Senator Connie Mack c/o Mark Smith 202-224-8022 senator_mack@jec.senate.gov Dr. Ken Fisher, Executive Director, Commission on Dietary Supplement Labels, cdsl@birchdavis.com fax 202-205-0463, tel: 202-401-5811 c/o Dr.Castro Re: The Commission on Dietary Supplement Labels Must Be STOPPED from Exceeding Their Legal Mandate: Your Assistance Is Requested. Dear President Clinton, Senator Hatch, Senator Harkin, Senator Mack.... and last, but certainly not least, Dr. Fisher of the Commission on Dietary Supplement Labels: As a consumer, representing millions of American consumers of Dietary Supplements, (as well as millions of angry consumers world wide), I am very concerned by the scam I see unfolding vis a vis the Commission on Dietary Supplements Report, which just underwent a comments period, and which holds its final meeting on August 14-15, in the middle of summer, while people are on vacation, while Congress is recessed, while people are largely unaware of what is going on. What a SCAM! Of the 123 comments received by the Commission on Dietary Supplement Labels (CDSL), one was mine, one was Suzanne Harris's of the Law Loft (representing Life Extension Foundation's 100,000 + members, along with National Health Federation's 200,000 plus members), one was Emord and Associates (representing 11 parties inlcuding Dr.Julian Whitaker whose news letter reaches over 500,000), Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw, etc. In addition, of the 123 total comments, 77 were copies of a form letter that I generated, which people from all over the US agreed with and sent in by email and fax. My comments support those of Emord, and The Law Loft, and 77 citizens sent in form letters agreeing with me. Who do you answer to, Dr.Fisher, the American people, or the European-American Phytomedicines Coalition (the multinational pharmaceutical industry)? It comes as no surprise to us that the EAPC strongly supports the Commission's effort's to create an OTC drug category for herbs-- but is this in the best interests of American consumers, or American industry??? Upon close examination of the documents submitted by Emord and Associates, and the Law Loft, it would not only be illegal for the Commission's final report to contain recommendation that an OTC drug category for herbs- by blindly accepting the FDA's undefined "significant scientific agreement standard" the Commission is BLOCKING our access to truthful health information. Significant Scientific Agreement is essentially a synonym for the consensus rule, the Frye rule, or the "general acceptence" test. In the world of science, business interests, and politics, this does not always translate to the truth. Often, it is a matter of "old boy politics" and "committee politics". This runs contrary to the Supreme Court decision of Daubert vs Merrell Dow. On June 29, 1993 the Supreme Court overturned the "consensus doctrine." The "old boys" club is DEAD! I urge every member of Congress to closely examine Emord's and the Law Loft's comments, because from an emerging international law perspective, it would harm American industry to re-write America's laws on botanicals so that Europeans can take over much of our domestic markets! Along with the ratification of the NAFTA and Uruguay round of the GATT, America and other nations signed the Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures Agreement which created new important mechanisms to promote food trade. These were the Committee on Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures within the World Trade Organization, and the establishment of the pre-existing Codex Alimentarius Committee as the body that sets international reference standards for safety in international food trade. Under the terms of the Sanitary Phytosanitary Agreement, any nation that adopts a Codex reference standard, guideline or recommendation for food safety is presumed not to have erected an unfair trade barrier. Conversely, any nation that erects a higher food safety standard than that prescribed by Codex runs the risk of having that standard found to be an unfair trade barrier by the WTO. That this new system has teeth and claws was recently discovered by the EU when the WTO decided in a preliminary decision that EU legislative barriers to beef containing certain beef hormones were an unfair trade barrier, not in conformity with the Codex standard, not sufficiently justified by science and did not constitute a consistent risk management decision when compared to other EU standards. CAN WE GET OTHERS TO HARMONIZE WITH US? Suzanne Harris, JD of the Law Loft in in complete agreement with Jonathan Emord's analysis which calls for the Commission to go "back to the drawing board" but she goes beyond his analysis to examine the issue of why it would be a mistake to create an OTC drug category for herbs from a standpoint of emerging international law. Harris attended the Codex Alimentarius Executive Committee Meeting in Geneva Switzerland at the end of June, and also sneaked in to the briefing on Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures as a member of the press. In her detailed, well researched and footnoted comments, Harris concludes that its in the best interests of not only the American consumer, but for American manufacturers not to blur the lines between foods and drugs, but to keep these products classified as FOODS! Every member of Congress will want to read her comments to better understand how health freedom issues are playing out in America under emerging international law. I intend to bring her comments, and Emord's to every member of Congress, and to distribute them widely on the internet, through my website and via radio discussions, magazine articles, and by any other means at my disposal. For Truth and Freedom, John C. Hammell ****************************************** Donations Needed- Am One Person Working Alone International Advocates for Health Freedom John C. Hammell, Legislative Advocate 2411 Monroe St.#2 Hollywood, FL 33020 USA 800-333-2553, 954-929-2905, FAX 954-929-0507, FAX ON DEMAND 954-927-8795,jham@concentric.net http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/hammell/index.html --- PCBoard/2 15.30 * Origin: The 128th Parallel Seminole,Fl 28.8k 813/397-1339 (1:3603/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECF00005Date: 08/10/97 From: FRANK STARR Time: 07:23pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: FDA VS Vitamins II of II From: John Hammell Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Commission to Disallow Public Testimony 8/14-8/15 Unless We SPEAK OUT! Note:It is IMPERATIVE that we email,fax, call, Fisher en masse using form letter below beginning TODAY Sunday 8/10 through FRIDAY. Please FORWARD this message, please download it and fax it, please bring it to your health food store and pass out copies. please relay this message to your senators and congressmen. For email addresses of all members of Congress go to http://www.senate.gov/senator/membmail.html links from that site will take you to one from which you can also email your congressman. They think they can slip one PAST us just because Congress is recessed and lots of people are on vacation, so if you are reading this, PLEASE HELP! PUBLIC TESTIMONY MUST BE ALLOWED TO BE HEARD AT FINAL MEETING OF COMMISSION ON DIETARY SUPPLEMENT LABELS 8/14-8/15 Kenneth D. Fisher, Ph.D. Executive Director August 10, 1997 Commission on Dietary Supplement Labels Tel. 202-401-5811, Fax 202-205-0463, email cdsl@birchdavis.com Dr. Fisher: A caller to your office was told by Sandy Saunders that public testimony would be disallowed by the Commission at its last meeting to be held at the Hyatt Regency Reston, Reston Town Center, 1800 Presidents Street, Reston, Virginia from 8:30 am- 4:30 August 14, and from 8:30- 3PM August 15th. I feel that it would be a GROSS INJUSTICE to disallow public testimony in this all important closing meeting, ESPECIALLY due to the ENORMOUS CONTROVERSY that your draft report has already caused, and is CERTAIN to continue to cause unless massively re-written so as to be in compliance with the law, and to PROPERLY carry out the mandate given to you by Congress! Of the 123 comments received by your Commission by 8/5, at least 82 (2/3rds) called for an extension on the comments period- wanting it to be extended until the end of OCTOBER to give the public sufficient time to procure your 77 page draft report, to read it, and to draft comments. (Congress is not in session and lots of people are on vacation. This is a SCAM!) I am aware that Emord and Associates has stated in comments submitted to your Commission that under 21 U.S.C. A7 321 et.seq. 1994 (The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act), the Commission possesses no power or authority other than defined by statute. I am aware that the Commission has failed to discharge its duties. I am angered that the commission has made no effort to evaluate FDA's prior restraint of truthful health claims from reaching consumers via dietary supplement labels and labelling. I am aware that the FDA has made no effort to define "significant scientific agreement", and that your commission utterly fails to evaluate any alternatives for providing truthful and non misleading health information to consumers on labels and in labeling. I am aware that the Commission exceeded its statutory authority by issuing recommendations regarding OTC products. I demand that all ultra vires recommendations be removed from your final report: recommendations concerning safety of dietary supplements, the format of letters of notification for statements of nutritional support, the maintenance of files substantiating those claims, OTC regulations of botanicals, and funding and incentive for scientific research. STICK to the task AT HAND. You have FAILED in your MANDATE! Moreover, I demand that the Commission not assist the European-American Phytomedicines Coalition to infiltrate the American market in herbal products. I strongly suggest that the Commission not cater to the interests of multinational pharmaceutical trade associations such as EAPC, and I advise that the Commission not issue a final report without VERY CAREFULLY reading the comments submitted by Suzanne Harris, JD of the Law Loft on behalf of the Life Extension Foundation, and National Health Federation which analyze the extreme importance of not blurring the lines between food and drugs in order to protect US business interests, as well as consumer rights considering emerging international law! Signed: Address: City: State: Zip: (Form Letter Provided by International Advocates for Health Freedom 800-333-2553 2411 Monroe St. Hollywood, Florida http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/hammell/index.html) ****************************************** Donations Needed- Am One Person Working Alone International Advocates for Health Freedom John C. Hammell, Legislative Advocate 2411 Monroe St.#2 Hollywood, FL 33020 USA 800-333-2553, 954-929-2905, FAX 954-929-0507 FAX ON DEMAND 954-927-8795,jham@concentric.net http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/hammell/index.html --- PCBoard/2 15.30 * Origin: The 128th Parallel Seminole,Fl 28.8k 813/397-1339 (1:3603/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECG00000Date: 08/04/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 01:48pm \/To: STEPHEN OULTON (Read 1 times) Subj: mis-sent post SO> -=> Quoting Steve Kemp to Jane Kelley <=- SO> JK>My family dates back to the 800's in England SO> My family dates back to Adam and Eve they were the ones who started SO>to breed. How about that. Every one in the world is a distant SO>relative. I think that should have been directed to Jane. She's the one that said that up there. :-) --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECG00001Date: 08/05/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 12:54pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & Addicti [1/3 JK>The young things today take multiple drugs........to hide the JK>symptoms of use such as the lethargy from the pot.......this will be JK>offset by either cocaine or an amphetamine to get them up in the JK>morning and going. For someone who has been hard hit by the booze JK>and the pot, the use of either or both will soon send the patient to JK>an emergency room with an O.D. This is an absurd "cause and effect" theory. Totally without any merit. JK>Not all of them manage to get into this state, just the ones who are JK>hard hit. Some people are more at risk for addiction due to their addictive personalities. "Masking the effects of alcohol or pot" is not EVEN a logical inference. JK> And the only way to find out seems to be to use the drugs. What does that mean? You mean to see if they have an addictive personality? JK>We also have the occasional hard hit kid such as the Quinlan girl JK>who went into a comma after a party. The word is COMA. JK> Hard to know just which drugs JK>were available that night. Kids sometimes know what they are buying JK>from pushers and at other times, do not. That makes the cases hard to JK>treat. Due to illegality, this is true. JK>We can predict which families will have a tendency towards JK>We alcoholism. cannot predict which families will have a tendency to JK>have severe reactions from other drugs. You mean addictive personality? If you mean allergies to nearly anything, like dish soap or hair spray or certain drugs even, true...it is hard. If you mean severe reactions to poisons, or severe reactions to overdoses of drugs... false, EVERYONE has a tendency to a severe reaction. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECG00002Date: 08/10/97 From: GARY PETZ Time: 11:00pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine 1/ I wonder from when comes your authority for making broad-based claims about the ill effects of Mariju AS I see it, the substance is very understudied, because of the abuse histeria. We would be doing ourselves a serve as a society to be able to put it to study and real find out what affects it has. As I have seen it used, I doubt what you say, but anecdotal is all any of us have to make our claims. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: The Health Center (1:106/6355) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECG00003Date: 08/10/97 From: BRIAN SHAW Time: 09:56pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: JAPANESE HEALTH TECH Hello, Please take a minute to review the excellent company I am proud to present, it may change your life forever. 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Sincerely, Brian Shaw Please call toll free for prerecorded info -- 416 724-3388 voice mail 416 724-3365 Internet: nikken@the.connection.com ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0150 * Origin: Ability OnLine - Toronto Canada - 416 650-5411 (1:250/518) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECG00004Date: 08/11/97 From: GARY PETZ Time: 09:52pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana & addicti [1/3 I don't know where I'm coming into this discussion, but I want to point out that we have very little hard research on marijuana because of the irrationale, hysterical vendetta against it, putting it in the same class with other "hard" drugs. I wonder if the strong policy that puts us almost in a policy state with regard to drugs, might have been lent a lot of support by the war in Viet Nam. I want to to point out that hard evidence is not going to an AA meeting and asking. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: The Health Center (1:106/6355) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: ECG00005Date: 08/12/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 10:33am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Pharmacutical companys to * Crossposted from: AHEALTH Message about FDA regulation of herbs -=> Quoting Bart Williams to <=- BW> From: durwood@ice.net (Bart Williams) BW> Subject: Pharmacutical companys to regulate herbal products..Please BW> read and act. Newsgroups: alt.health BW> Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com BW> Message-ID: <5snca4$mhs$2@usenet87.supernews.com> BW> This Friday, August 15th, while America is on summer vacation the BW> pharmacutical companys are out to regulate all herbal products. This BW> will mean that you will have to have a doctors prescription to buy BW> vitamins. This means the cost of herbal alternative health care prices BW> will skyrocket and the freedom to use herbs will be gone forever. BW> If you can contact any state and local government officials and tell BW> them that you want herbal products to remain outside the regulation of BW> pharacutical companies. BW> If you want a letter to forward please contact me at durwood@ice.net BW> and I will forword it to you. Your future health care is at risk. BW> Can you imagine someday going to your doctor for a prescription to buy BW> fruit? Or maybe being arrested for growing herbs on your property?? BW> This Friday just that will be decided. Please help keep your health BW> and herbal products where they belong, in your own free hands. BW> Thank you, BW> Bart Williams durwood@ice@net ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454)