--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBR00004Date: 07/17/97 From: JERRYL EVANEE Time: 11:58am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: ancient wisdom lost JE> And I tend to agree. There are rituals that ancient peoples used JE> to use to train the mind and body to use its full powers. JK> Something died along with the use of these rituals. Certainly a sense of place, and a feeling of understanding of the life around us. So many plants, just outside one's front door, have tremendous calming or healing powers when used properly. Now only ornamentals or strictly flavour edibles are raised. Dandelions are mown down; cinquefoil is classified as a noxious weed, and many, many others uprooted for the mandatory azalea bush or rose. JK> our inheritance should be the combined wisdom of thousands of years of JK> known history. Well, the Dark ages began when the combined wisdom of thousands of years was wiped clean by fanatic religious zeal. It hasn't gotten a whole lot better in terms of the people's general knowledge. At least our hospitals are once again compiling their knowledge and data, and sharing it. ... ...... --- Blue Wave v2.12 * Origin: Eclectic Lab-The Holistic Lifestyle Board [604]524-9046 1:153/831) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBR00005Date: 07/21/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 06:05am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: A Drink Or 2 A Day JANE KELLEY was thinking about Re: A Drink Or 2 A Day and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>She takes as controlling one study, even though it has been JK>MP>refuted by dozens. FYI, she still thinks that the Feingold Diet is JK>MP>effective for true ADHD. It cannot be, but she does not seem to JK>MP>understand it. JK>Tell me where I have said one word concerning the Feingold diet JK>except to list it as part of a reference? JK>You can't. Because until now I have not commented on it one way or JK>the other. JK>I haven't tried it personally therefore I have no opinion on it JK>whatsoever. JK>I have tried diets that have a base of amino acids and other JK>supplements for some children who are hyperactive with very good JK>results. JK>Not the Feingold. JK>However, I see no reason why any child should be given a diet heavy JK>in dyes and food additives. Most of them need this sort of junk food JK>thrown out before they eat it. You claim to be a medical professional and push something about which you have no idea. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBR00006Date: 07/21/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 06:21am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: A Drink Or 2 A Day JANE KELLEY was thinking about A Drink Or 2 A Day and keyed into cyberspace: JK>BM> JK> I AM NOW FIRMLY CONVINCED THAT YOU ARE BOTH A RABBLE ROUSER JK>BM> JK> AND SOMEONE WHO HAS ABSOLUTELY NO REGARD AT ALL FOR ANY IDEAS JK>BM> JK> WHICH ORIGINATE OUTSIDE OF YOUR OWN BRAIN. JK>BM> Quite the contrary Jane. I have no difficulty with any original JK>BM> ideas. You, on the other hand, seem to be incapable of any JK>BM> original thought. You are not able or willing to answer any JK>BM> direct question. You are not able to focus on one subject at a JK>BM> time. In fact you are very consistent in your inconsistency. JK>BM> You persist in denying that you have said something even when JK>BM> presented with the evidence of your own words. JK>Bob, this is the exact kind of diatribe I have been met with whenever JK>I have furnished you with any kind of documentation or references. JK>Go to wherever you are headed, Bob. I've just twitted you out of my JK>existence. You honor him. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBR00007Date: 07/21/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 06:22am \/To: SUE SMITH (Read 1 times) Subj: A.d.d SUE SMITH was thinking about A.d.d and keyed into cyberspace: SS>Thank you so much for the references. I will get busy and see what I SS>can find that works. Thanks and keep your fingers crossed for me! Also read Driven to Distraction and Answers to Distraction by Hallowell and Ratey. Both are MDs with ADHD who are professors at Harvard Medical School. If you have a Websearch, search on Hallowell. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBR00008Date: 07/21/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 06:24am \/To: DAVID WILSON (Read 1 times) Subj: What's The Subject? DAVID WILSON was thinking about What's The Subject? and keyed into cyberspace: DW>There are many erudite viewpoints expressed here and I admit that DW>they are all interesting to me except for the political debates and DW>the backbiting which seem out of place. Marv Albert does not post here. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBR00009Date: 07/21/97 From: TED BARNES Time: 01:34pm \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana -=> Quoting Steve Kemp to Jane Kelley <=- JK> And I am very certain that you have never done intakes or listened JK>to those in the nearest A.A. or N.A. meeting. SK> Why would I go to an A.A. meeting? I'm not a Christian. I have been to SK> R.R. meetings, though. And I am a recovering drug user. Huh?????? Why wouldn't you attend A.A. meetings? I am completely lost at your statement. You have stated you are a recovering drug user, alcohol is a drug. You belong in A.A. if you choose. No you don't have to go. What does being a Christian have to do with A.A. ? Are you concerned about the Lord's Prayer at closing? You know you don't have to say it. No where in the literature of A.A. does it associate with any religion, infact it states the opposite. The only requirement is a desire to be sober. I belieev you need to do a little ground work with your recovery or you might find your self somewhere where you don't want to be. Btw, Yes I go to A.A. have been sober for over 6 years, short time I have to say, but it is sober never the less. I used all drugs available from a very young age up to my 30's so I do have extensive experience with drugs. A.A. works for all. Ted ... URA Redneck if you've ever given rat traps as a gift. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Renegade v5-11 Exp * Origin: Electric Prayers - Guelph ON - 519-823-8392 (1:221/802) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBS00000Date: 07/21/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 08:33am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana Jane Kelley wrote in a message to Ted Barnes: JK> Got news for you, pot is a lot more toxic to the JK> lungs. Go find some real information and find out. Another lie Jane. I have provided you with the info on this. You have nothing credible to the contrary. The only thing bad about cannabis to the lungs is the leaf-burning by products if a person smokes it -- and this is pretty much the same whether it is the leaf from a tree or wood smoke. There is no lung harm from vaporizing the medicinal contents of marijuana (by heating it to a temperature lower than burning), or cooking it and eating it in food. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBS00001Date: 07/21/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 09:18am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & children JANE KELLEY wrote: JK>TM> JK> Those who use marijuana for medicinal, religious, or JK>TM> JK> recreational use are not responsible adults. They are under JK>TM> JK> the influence of a mind altering drug. JK>TM> You'd probabaly be surprised by the number of successful law JK>TM> enforcement officers, lawyers, judges, doctors, dentists, JK>TM> bankers, computer scientists, commodity traders, and NURSES JK>TM> who smoke pot now and then, for recreational purposes. JK>TM> Would you characterize them as irrsponsible ? I don't JK>think so. JK>I would. You can excuse their behavior away if you chose to, I've JK>seen too much misery from this noxious weed over the past 30 years to JK>believe otherwise. There are, for example, several members of one JK>daughter's high school class who died before graduation in auto JK>accidents......the result of the difference in the immediate JK>withdrawal of pot and alcohol in a speeding car around 2-3 am. What does the fact of the responsible recreational, let alone medicinal, use of marijuana by adults have to do with children? There are many activites by adults that are not appropriate for children and that children are not or should not be permitted to do. It would be absurd to prohibit adults from any activity that children are not permitted to do. In particular, there are many medicines and medicinal herbs that children should not be given and many others that they should not be given without close supervision due to possible intereference with their growth and development. JK>...the result of the difference in the immediate JK>withdrawal of pot and alcohol in a speeding car around 2-3 am. JK>Then the kids in the old King County Jail and the North JK>Rehabilitation Facility come to mind who we couldn't get out of bed JK>in the morning for breakfast. They were still in the acute stages of JK>withdrawal from pot when arrested. There is no significant effect to stopping using marijuana -- no significant withdrawal effect has been found and no significant physical dependence has been determined to occur with it. I have cited you the studies. Even your precious DSM IV (at page 216) recognizes this (even though it is not a reliable source regarding such matters). Your claims and conclusions to the contrary are unfounded in credible authority. JK>Anyone who knows that these things are possible from the use of the JK>stuff and who goes on and ingests it has no respect from me at all. There is no reason to respect your opinion in this regard because you exaggerate, take out of context, and flat out lie about these things. In fact, it is behavior like what you have exhibited that leads people, and particularly children, into taking very addictive substances. When you tell people that marijuana is extremely addictive and then they see that this is not so when people around them use it, they no longer believe you when you tell them that heroin is very addictive. So, if they are inclined to experiment with drugs, they are more willing to try heroin and perhaps try it more frequently than they would otherwise, because you or someone else lied about marijuana. This is not an infrequent scenario, and it is lies like yours that the uneducated and uneducable believe, and that gets them into trouble. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBS00002Date: 07/22/97 From: GEORGE LAGERGREN Time: 12:35pm \/To: TED BARNES (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana Ted -- You have indicated you did take drugs at an early age. My question: What was your reasons to begin using drugs?? ** It seems like high school health classes try to discuss the dangers of drugs. *** Thanks in advance for your reply. George. --- Amie v0.98 * Origin: The Edge BBS * Severn, MD * (410)551-2586 (1:261/1454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBS00003Date: 07/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:32am \/To: AL FEYEN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Lazy & Stupid AF> JE> And I tend to agree. There are rituals that ancient peoples used AF> JE> to use to train the mind and body to use its full powers. These AF> JE> rituals sometimes used herbs and ingested aids to reach that AF> JE> state - but it was closely monitored for a specific purpose, AF> JE> usually to heal the body or work out a certain problem. AF> JK> Something died along with the use of these rituals. A good portion f AF> JK> our inheritance should be the combined wisdom of thousands of years f AF> JK> known history. We deprive our young of that in every possible anner, AF> JK> beginning with the lack of discipline and structure for the very AF> JK> young. AF>I just had to jump in here, and let you know that such AF>rituals, and mind training, are not dead in todays world. AF>There are plenty of us out here who do these things. We are AF>labeled New Agers, Neo-Pagan, Wiccans, and just plan "NUTS." Al, this has been going on for more years than we can know about. There has been a constant struggle between those who will delve into the dark recesses of human thought and those who must label anything they cannot bend to their own devices as evil. My family dates back to the 800's in England, left for Holland when Cromwell came into power, came over here later on, and left New England when the Puritans started hunting down wealthy women. The men in the family, until recently, tended to join the Masonic Order. Granted this is a pale version of what it is in Europe but at least it provided an alternative. I can assure you I've read books, talked to shamen, lived among some folks who had a much older and simpler way of life than I knew as a child, and discovered much for myself. Including going beyond fear. * SLMR 2.1a * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1)