--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBQ00009Date: 07/21/97 From: JASON HUFF Time: 03:22am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Marijuana & prohibition alex, thanks for clearing up the money part of locking up possessors (it was too long, i didn't want to quote it all). now i see it. jason --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: DiGiTaL OnLiNe MaGaZiNe - [409]8Ext-237 (1:3811/350) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBQ00010Date: 07/21/97 From: JASON HUFF Time: 03:27am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Darwin AV> JH> survival of the fittest is those best able to survive...smarter, AV> JH> stronger, faster, better camoflauged, whatever it takes. AV> AV> JH> at the most base biological level the whole point to life is to AV> JH> pass on your genes AV> AV> My point is that one only has to be "fit" and not necessarily the AV> "fittest" to survive. "Fit" means that you are smart enough, fast, AV> enough, strong enough, camoflaged enough, and whatever else to AV> procreate and have your children do the same. There is only one AV> "fittest" organism, while there are many fit ones. You need to go AV> no farther than to look at the humans around you to see this in AV> operation. it's more of the fittest characteristics not the organism (i know, it's a ery fine line). those characteristics get passed down, if your genes aren't mong the fittest (and it refers to a group, not a single organism) then they get passed on. Take a cheetah, for example. as they preyed upon antelope (or whatever) the antelopes that had shorter legs (would cause a slower speed) would be killed, their genes not passed on. then the antelope population would get faster. the slower cheetahs would not get to eat and the fitter cheetahs (the ones faster and could catch the prey) would thrive and it is their genes that would be passed on. is this making any sense to you? you cannot use humans as an example. we are a different type of species. we tend to look out for the members of our species that are not as fit. so, the weaker genes still get passed on. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: DiGiTaL OnLiNe MaGaZiNe - [409]8Ext-237 (1:3811/350) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBQ00011Date: 07/21/97 From: JASON HUFF Time: 03:29am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: expert witness JK> JH>an expert witness is anyone the prosecution or defense can get to agree JK> JH>their case and has a little experienc, degrees, and/or written a book JK> JK> I've testified for both, and in one case had to shoot down written work like i said, they'll pick someone who supports their view. in different ases both sides may need someone to say the same thing. JK> by my own agency due to an intern getting sloppy. She inserted one word bet that made your boss real happy --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: DiGiTaL OnLiNe MaGaZiNe - [409]8Ext-237 (1:3811/350) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBQ00012Date: 07/20/97 From: BOB MOYLAN Time: 06:52pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: expert witness Jane Kelley (On 18 Jul 97) was overheard expounding to Jason Huff JK> That one knew everything when she came to us. Kinda hard to teach JK> something to someone who knows everything. POT....KETTLE...BLACK! ... Sleep is a totally inadequate substitute for caffeine. --- PPoint 2.03 * Origin: What's The Point? Virginia Beach, VA USA (1:275/429.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBQ00013Date: 07/20/97 From: BOB MOYLAN Time: 06:58pm \/To: SUE SMITH (Read 1 times) Subj: A.D.D Sue Smith (On 19 Jul 97) was overheard saying to Mark Probert: Hi Sue... 'scuse me for butting in .... SS> Thanks for the support. I understand that eventually they are suppose SS> to outgrow this stuff. I hope so as I just hate drugs period. SS> Thanks again for your input. When our 6 year old (now 10) son was first diagnosed with ADHD our former pediatrician told us that he would "outgrow it" about the time that puberty strikes. Not knowing much about it _THEN_ we took his professional "word" for it...for a while. I gathered and we read as much as was available, there is quite a bit and the body of information continues to grow, regarding ADD/ADHD. It wasn't very long before our doc ran out of answers that were acceptable, I think now that I know more about ADD/ADHD than he does; of course he didn't have our motivation to learn. One of the earliest things we found out was that kids don't "outgrown it". ADD/ADHD is a life long thing. What a very large number of kids do is learn coping skills to enable them to get along with the business of life fairly well. We tried all manner of things before trying MPH (Ritalin). A year or so ago our current doc (a pediatric neurologist) suggested a trial of clonodine in conjunction with MPH since the one med, while helpful in addressing the attentional problems in school wasn't doing much for behavioral outbursts...that lack of impulse control. The two meds in combination have helped him to bring himself under self-control together with semi-regular counseling sessions. He is also active in organized sports year round with only 2 - 3 weeks off between the various seasons ... these are things he enjoys, likes to do and is fairly good at .. well quite good at one ... the point is that he has this year round frame work _structure_ to build the rest of his day to day life on. That it involves things he is successful at is a major bonus! We don't have the perfect kid by any means, we also don't have a 'drugged up' automaton. We just didn't feel that it was in his best interest to not use meds (that have proven to be effective for many) and waste X number of years hoping he'd learn some coping skills. As you've noticed with your child the difference can be amazing almost across the board. Meds alone are not the answer to, and certainly not a cure for, ADHD. For us they have become just another tool that is used. I don't know if you noticed but I don't refer to his meds as anything but that ...meds... we don't use the work *drug* (even tho that is what they are) because of all the anti-drug use exposure and education kids get in school. We don't want him to equate the use of a prescription medication with the abuse of street drugs. I'm an advocate of the use of meds for _my_ child after running through all manner of alternative (IMHO ineffective) 'treatments.' All others have to arrive at a decision that works for their child and that they are comfortable with. Best regards.... Bob ... Just my observations. Retail Value = $0.02 Void where prohibited. --- PPoint 2.03 * Origin: What's The Point? Virginia Beach, VA USA (1:275/429.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBQ00014Date: 07/21/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 09:53am \/To: AL FEYEN (Read 1 times) Subj: Lazy & Stupid AF>I just had to jump in here, and let you know that such AF>rituals, and mind training, are not dead in todays world. AF>There are plenty of us out here who do these things. We are AF>labeled New Agers, Neo-Pagan, Wiccans, and just plan "NUTS." AF>There are books on the subject, that explain how to do this, AF>with and with out herbs, or other substances. Two of the better ones were written by a doctor from India named Kirshna Murti, or something very close to that. He explained that the human mind can accomplish WITHOUT drugs anything that it can accomplish with drugs. I read his books years ago, gave them to a young friend of mine who was into drugs. He didn't benefit, but I remembered some of what was said. Then I went looking for the ways to accomplish what I wanted without the drugs. That was an odessy through various libraries, new states, and meeting many new people. I've learned that there are those who cannot be herded around and who don't need to be rigidly controlled. That rigid control is for those who are themselves out of control. Those who have no need for it are capable of truly living free. Others must have a structured group for its external controls. --- SLMR 2.1a This tagline stolen by Silly Little Mail Reader! * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBR00000Date: 07/21/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 07:16am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ?Zen > The following is exactly the kind of rambling that is > outdated by what I think you missed the point. It is more of a concept than a reality of how the brain functions. It is trying to say basically that we are not our mind or our body and they are not us; we transcend the physical in different stages of life and growth and that the physical part of this life is only ONE part of what makes us us. It's not a physical reality concept but a spiritual one. Rather hard to grasp sometimes (ever listen to Deepak Chopra?). WHen I first heard things like this I was very confused and fluffed it off as ridiculous but I guess it was something I needed to know cause they kept coming back and back until I finally understood in my own fashion what the heck they were talking about. Zen itself is more of a spiritual way of living/thinking; doesn't explain brains, body, blood etc. If you try and compare our western way of thinking and looking at only what we think we know as reality to the eastern way of looking at things as holistic (mind, body, spirit), they will be like oil and water. IF you want to try and understand, be more open to things that aren't always physical and concrete. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBR00001Date: 07/21/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 07:26am \/To: LAURENT DE FONTENAY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ?ZEN I have been meaning to tell you how nice your post was. I know it was difficult for a lot of people to understand. Eastern philosophy is not condusive to western way of thinking altho I find quite valid in many ways. Definietely, if nothing else something that needs to be thought about and not just taken at face value. Doesn't it seem that eastern "thoughts" really don't have a face value, everything is buried underneath. Anyway, thanks for the post; it was refreshing. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBR00002Date: 07/21/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 07:28am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Question > > Try www.ring.com/health/food/food.htm or > kidshealth.org/parent/nutrition/healthy food choices/food > pyramid.html thanks will try them...also looking for somewhere that contain the chemical constiuents in food..any suggestions? Did find a great one for herbs but not for foods.. Thanks --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBR00003Date: 07/21/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 07:23am \/To: DAVID WILSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: What's The Subject? > After several hundred readings, I realize that some readers > consider the echo to be "Alternatives to Any Kind of > Medicine At All", others like myself consider it to be > "Alternatives to Prescription Medicine" (herbology, e.g.) > and still others want it to be "Prevention vs. Cure". Alternative can mean prevention, cure, treatment and it doesn't necessarily mean ONLY concrete things such as herbs etc. Some traditional western medical info is welcome as I want the readers to be informed of any new medical news that might be of help to them. If we can prevent, then we don[t need to cure; some have been so badly damaged by traditional medicine they don't want to go near it at all and other want a complementary view that they can incorporate with their traditional medical useage. This is all fine. > > There are many erudite viewpoints expressed here and I admit > that they are all interesting to me except for the political > debates and the backbiting which seem out of place. You're right. This echo has too many people who think ONE way and insist that their way is the ONLY way and anyone who disagrees is pounced on. I have tried to discourage this as best I can without actually banning them. My best advice is if you start to read something that you find out of place, go on past it. > > Will continue to watch, however. > How about contributing something of what YOU know, practice. If no one participates except the offensive then this echo will never be any fferent. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68)