--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00004Date: 07/12/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:28am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana/men Breast Canc SK>And YOU are? Got news for YOU...you are living in the dark ages. If you SK>haven't heard the information stated....then......you lacking in SK>information. Noone has stated here that "Pot is good" or "everybody SK>should smoke pot". The point and fact is it IS the safest of the illegal SK>drugs..and even safer than aspirin, I'd dare say (actually, far safer). Aspirin doesn't damage the lungs or the heart as marijuana does. Pot is much more harmful than tobacco is and that has been known to all but the most die hard addicts of the stuff for some time now. And, the stuff is much stronger than it used to be in the 1970's. --- SLMR 2.1a This tagline is umop apisdn * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00005Date: 07/12/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:28am \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: Our Toxic Environment TM> TM> The ONE already identified toxin that has caused more brain damage TM> TM> including the kind that leads to social pathology and criminal TM> TM> behavior isn't even a high tech toxin; it's LEAD. TM> JK> THAT I knew about....which is why paints changed and so did our TM> JK> gasoline to exclude lead. I am certain that there are high levels in TM> JK> some folks if we would only test for them. TM> There is a VAST amount of lead all around us - much more than most TM> of us think. And we are paying the price in high crime rates and TM> low production. This isn't discussed as much as it should be due to the love affair that the average American has with his automobile. The fact that the internal combusion engine was originally designed to be run on alcohol, 80% alcohol, has been buried along with the truth about cigarrettes. TM> But what the hey, its just the cost of doing (corporate) business. TM> And anyone who watches TV knows that petrochemical companies TM> ("people do") are the SAVIOURS of our environment. Its sad when TM> some of the minds who are teaching our children buy this line of TM> horsepuckey. BETTER LIVING THROUGH CHEMISTRY. We are still paying for that one. TM> Its time we put a stop to having K-12 environmental curiculea TM> designed by chemical industry PR people. Yes, but everytime Al Gore comes out againt something that pollutes our air or water the GOP starts a new Congressional investigation! --- SLMR 2.1a This tagline stolen by Silly Little Mail Reader! * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00006Date: 07/12/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:28am \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 1 times) Subj: We've Come A Long Way ? TM> JK> The Canadians are closer to the source than we are. We had a bunch f TM> JK> rabid idiots land in New England and start to drown old women there. TM> JK> Old Salem was not a place to be if you were female, unmarried, and TM> JK> rich. That made you a target for the witch hunters. TM> We've come a long way since then. TM> Or have we ? From what I can see in some of these posts, we are right back again where we started with all of the religious freedom that existed in England under Cromwell. We are taxed at a higher rate than we were under King George and the national debt is climbing higher due to no money being paid on the principle. The damn fools want to turn back some paltry sum instead of doing this. We are now starting to hunt out those who don't goosestep behind those in control. That would be those who believe in alternative life styles, alternative treatment, and alternative anything else. Most especially in the religion department. The end of the world is fast approaching again at the turn of the century. This has happened before in recorded history, and will most probably happen again. Yet we have a cult who insist differently. --- SLMR 2.1a I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00007Date: 07/12/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 02:33pm \/To: MARILYN BERRY (Read 1 times) Subj: A.D.D MARILYN BERRY was thinking about A.D.D and keyed into cyberspace: MB> > mine that has found another way of dealing with it MB> > without the use of "drugs". MB>Well, at the risk of getting raked over the coals by other people in MB>this echo who do not agree with me, I feel like I really do need to MB>answer you since you asked about ALTERNATIVE ways of dealing with MB>ADD, and, as far as I know, I'm about the only one in this echo with MB>actual experience with exactly what you asked about.... Well, Marilyn, I won't rake you over the coals. I'll try an alternative approach. MB>Way back in the 1970's, my (then) 5-year-old daughter was diagnosed MB>as having "MDB" & hyperactivity-- later, they changed the terminology MB>to ADD & hyperactivity. The pediatrician prescribed Ritalin and a MB>psychologist informed us that our child would not be able to function MB>in school at all without Ritalin and probably only in "special" MB>schools even with it. Back in the 1970's the diagnostic methodology for what we now call ADHD was quite primitive. Many kids were mis-diagnosed. Heck, it even happens today. It is absolutely impossible that your daughter was mis-diagnosed? Also, even then, I would have classified your psychologist as not being too bright. I hope it learned something since then. MB>We ended up not giving our child Ritalin, and we went ahead and MB>enrolled her in public schools. We didn't just ignore the situation, MB>though. Our general goal was to help our daughter emphasize her MB>talents (of which many were ADD characteristics) and preserve her MB>self-esteem, so that she could achieve success. For instance, she MB>seemed to need far less sleep than an average child, so instead of MB>insisting that she sleep and making her sleep with medication, we MB>taught her how to utilize those nighttime hours when everyone else MB>was sleeping-- she would read late at night, or work puzzles. Your daughter sounds very bright. What you did was to challenge her in a way that worked *for her*. Many very bright kids are often mistaken for ADHDers. There are many signs that are co-morbid. However, the ADHDer has them to a far greater degree. MB>We enrolled her in sports that emphasized her abilities-- soccer, MB>because it has few time outs & rewards those with an ability to keep MB>moving; roller skating, because it takes a lot of energy; NOT MB>softball, which requires children to stand around waiting patiently MB>for something to happen. MB>We learned by trial and effort which foods affected her behavior and MB>which didn't. In our daughter's case, milk and other protein foods MB>had a calming effect. We were not able to find any correlation with MB>sugar intake. Which is clinically shown to be the case. MB>We changed OUR expectations of how our child was going to be judged MB>in this society. We didn't demand that she get straight A's in MB>school, because we knew that part of her grade might include "ability MB>to sit still." We supplemented her school education with weekend & MB>evening educational activities and were able to do a lot of those at MB>HER pace-- sometimes going through museums almost at a run and MB>finding out that she absorbed more of the information than when she MB>was forced into a more leisurely & boring pace. You are challenging a bright child in a way that worked. MB>We made sure she did not feel that ADD was a "disability"-- in fact, MB>we treated it as a TALENT that needed to be developed and worked MB>with, just like any talent. Therefore her self-esteem was not MB>compromised. It probably helped because she probably did not have it. MB>We feel we were very successful with our child. She went through MB>public schools, got accepted into a magnet high school, got MB>scholarships to a good college and graduated with better than a 3.5 MB>average on her bachelor's degree in psychology. She's now 28, MB>married, has a baby (who does not seem to have ADD symptoms) and is MB>the best mother you can imagine-- has unlimited energy to care for MB>her child. She's worked several part-time and full-time jobs since MB>she was 17, and her employers have raved about the quality and especiall MB>y the quantity of her work-- she can work rings around "average" MB>people. She's currently a child-welfare worker for a state agency. MB>She is also a very sociable person who literally has hundreds of good MB>friends. Sounds more and more like she did not have ADHD to start. Just some problems that were mis-diagnosed, but taken care of by good parenting. MB>Despite doomsayers who predicted then and now that untreated ADD kids MB>will end up taking drugs, dropping out of school, being criminals, MB>our daughter is educated, has never taken drugs, doesn't smoke, (Continued next message...) ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00008Date: 07/12/97 From: BOB MOYLAN Time: 02:41pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana & addicti [1/3 Jane Kelley (On 10 Jul 97) was overheard expounding to Alex Vasauskas JK> Just start with the official manual of mental illness in this nation, JK> the DSM IV. It has material on marijuana scattered throughout, and JK> you are free to find and locate all of it. Gees Jane....Does the word "Janus" mean anything to you? ... I am Sinatra of Borg. Prepare to do be do be do. --- PPoint 2.03 * Origin: What's The Point? Virginia Beach, VA USA (1:275/429.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00009Date: 07/13/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 07:02am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana & addicti [1/3 Jane Kelley wrote in a message to Alex Vasauskas: AV> JK> It is very easy to tell that you haven't the faintest clue as to AV> JK> what A.A. or N.A. are all about. And with the attitude you present AV> JK> here, you are not likely to do so. AV>No. It is you who apparently does not understand psychology, AV>notwithstanding you claims to the contrary. But then, you are AV>the one who criticizes everyone, including the apparent majority of AV>doctors and nurses, who don't agree with you. JK> We have a long way to go, according to posts such as yours, posts JK> that can understand the benefit of some herbal remedies here and JK> there, and completely negate those that have preserved this sort of JK> knowledge down through the ages along with the knowledge of the JK> human brain and nervous system that our Western medicine has long JK> since lost. Not surprisingly, you didn't relate any of your literature citations to the issue we are discussing -- the addictiveness of marijuana. What you have demonstrated is that mental health is in a sorry state if there are mental health workers who have blind-spots like yours. The familiar literary character who comes to mind in this regard is nurse Ratched from Ken Kesey's _One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest_. Unfortunately, these purported professionals refuse to leave their own problems at home, but go to work inflicting them on others. Considering what you have claimed above to be the breadth of what you are willing to consider in evaluating herbs and treatments, I am surprised at your conclusions regarding cannabis, which are contrary to the knowledge and evidence of "the ages" and of contemporary research. The record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. It is used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, use marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision and without any problems. Contrary to your representations, the "age old" and contemporary evidence is that marijuana is not addictive and debilitating for everyone, or most, or many. The government's addiction experts have determined that nicotine through cigarette smoking is addictive to 90% of those who smoke, alcohol is addictive to 15% of drinkers, and cocaine is addictive to 8% of those who use it. Without saying that it was addictive at all, they determined that it was less addictive than caffeine is to coffee drinkers, and the least addictive and problematical substance of the six substances they compared. Consequently, it is likely no more addictive than rice or sweet corn, and in any event not as addictive as coffee. If there is a problem for a few related to marijuana, it is in the person who seeks continuous escape due to severe emotional problems. All that your approach does is try to demonize an herb (which is beneficial to many and whose demonization has caused severe social problems) to avoid the hard work of dealing with and treating the real underlying problems, of which intoxication-seeking and escape is only a symptom. And, if there are some who actually have a problem with marijuana due to some unique makeup of their physiology, then that should be something to be treated and dealt with by those individuals. It is absurd to run society and deny medical benefits to the many according to the makeup of the very few. We learned this lesson from alcohol prohibition. Unfortunately, what we have learned from history is that people do not learn from history. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00010Date: 07/13/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 08:02am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana & addicti [1/3 Jane Kelley wrote in a message to Alex Vasauskas: AV>Some day there may be a reliable study conclusively demonstrating that AV>marijuana induces chemical changes in the human brain that are commonly AV>associated with proven drugs of dependence. For example, if a study AV>demonstrated that marijuana stimulates the release of the neurochemical AV>dopamine in the so-called "reward pathways" of the brain and that AV>subjects suffered effects of physical withdrawal upon, for example, the AV>administration of a blocking agent directly into the brain, I would AV>agree that marijuana may be addictive rather than just habituative to AV>*some* people. JK> Go to the nearest Narcotics Anonymous meeting and ask the real JK> experts, those who have made a conscious and painful decision to JK> leave all mind altering drugs alone. JK> Ask them what they know about the stuff. They know that they have a problem. Some of those (rightly or wrongly) identify marijuana as being a cause rather than a symptom of their problem. Many are inclined to overgeneralize and conclude that because they have a problem everyone else has the same problem. This overgeneralization is absurd in light of the evidence. Consider alcohol, which the government's experts have determined is addictive to 15% of those who drink. It may be a demon to that 15%, but it would be absurd to deprive or punish the remaining 85% just to try to make alcohol unavailable to the 15%. The worst that could be determined about marijuana was that it was less addictive than coffee (although there was no determination that it was addictive at all). Furthermore, it has many proven medicinal uses. It is absurd to make policy and rule the nation according to the judgment and unique circumstances of people in AA or NA. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00011Date: 07/13/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 08:26am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & children Jane Kelley wrote in a message to Alex Vasauskas: AV>If you must, deal with the irresponsible adults as being child abusers. AV>Provide the death penalty for anyone who provides marijuana to AV>a child. Don't criminalize and lock up responsible adults for AV>using marijuana as a medicinal, religious, or recreational herb. JK> Those who use marijuana for medicinal, religious, or recreational JK> use are not responsible adults. They are under the influence of a JK> mind altering drug. How long are you suggesting that the intoxication of marijuana lasts? JK> This is like saying permit the contents of the nearest bar at JK> midnight on Friday night to make the laws determining punishment JK> for drunk drivers. I see. No one who has drunk alcohol is ever responsible. I think that we are getting to the core of your outlook and logic here. It's beautiful. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00012Date: 07/13/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 08:49am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medi [01/28 >>> Part 1 of 28... -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Alex Vasauskas <=- AV>FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge JK> Is this one of the young attorneys who wandered down to First Avenue JK> in Seattle to buy cocaine on street corners during a lunch hour a few JK> years back? JK> He most certainly has not worked where I have, nor has he attended any JK> meetings of addicts in recovery. Where he gets his medical knowledge JK> from to make a determination that marijuana is not harmful escapes me. There is a much bigger world out there than your personal experience and your personal interpretation of that limited experience. FYI Jane: UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE Drug Enforcement Administration _______________________________________ ) In The Matter Of ) ) Docket No. 86-22 MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION ) _______________________________________) OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF Administrative LAW JUDGE. FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge DATED: SEP 6 1988 APPEARANCES: KEVIN B. ZEESE, Esq. ARNOLD S. TREBACH, Esq. for National Organization For The Reform of Marijuana Laws FRANK B. STILWELL, III, Esq. for Alliance for Cannabis Therapeutics DAVID C. BECK, Esq. for Cannabis Corporation of America CARL ERIC OLSEN, Pro Se CHARLOTTE J. MAPES, Esq. MADELEINE R. SHIRLEY, Esq. for the Government KARL BERNSTEIN for National Federation of Parents for Drug-Free Youth VIRGINIA PELTIER, Esq. for the International Association of Chiefs of Police DATED: SEP 6 1988 CONTENTS I. INTRODUCTION 1 II. RECOMMENDED RULING 7 III. ISSUES 7 IV. STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS FOR SCHEDULING 8 V. ACCEPTED MEDICAL USE IN TREATMENT - CHEMOTHERAPY 10 Findings of Fact 10 Discussion 26 VI. ACCEPTED MEDICAL USE IN TREATMENT - GLAUCOMA 35 Findings of Fact 35 Discussion 38 >>> Continued to next message... ___ X Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 X --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Who's Askin'? (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00013Date: 07/13/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 08:49am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medi [02/28 >>> Part 2 of 28... VII. ACCEPTED MEDICAL USE IN TREATMENT - MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS, SPASTICITY & HYPERPARATHYROIDISM 40 Findings of Fact 40 Discussion 54 VIII. ACCEPTED SAFETY FOR USE UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION 56 Findings of Fact 56 Discussion 65 IX. CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDED DECISION 67 CERTIFICATION OF SERVICE 69 - i - UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE Drug Enforcement Administration _______________________________________ ) In The Matter Of ) ) Docket No. 86-22 MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION ) _______________________________________) OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE. 1. INTRODUCTION This is a rulemaking pursuant to the Administrative Procedure Act, 5 U.S.C. Sec. 551, et seq., to determine whether the marijuana plant (Cannabis sativa L) considered as a whole may lawfully be transferred from Schedule I to Schedule II of the schedules established by the Controlled Substances Act (the Act), 21 U.S.C. Sec. 801, et seq. None of the parties is seeking to "legalize" marijuana generally or for recreational purposes. Placement in Schedule II would mean, essentially, that physicians in the United States would not violate Federal law by prescribing marijuana for their patients for legitimate therapeutic purposes. It is contrary to Federal law for physicians to do this as long as marijuana remains in Schedule I. This proceeding had its origins on May 18, 1972 when the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) and two other groups submitted a petition to the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (BNDD) [footnote 1], predecessor ______________________ 1 The powers and authority granted by the Act to the Attorney General were delegated to the Director of BNDD and subsequently to the Administrator of DEA. 28 C.F.R. Sec. 0.100, et seq. agency to the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA or the Agency), asking that marijuana be removed from Schedule I and freed of all controls entirely, or be transferred from Schedule I to Schedule V where it would be subject to only minimal controls. The Act by its terms had placed marijuana in Schedule I thereby declaring, as a matter of law that it had no legitimate use in therapy in the United States and subjecting the substance to the strictest level of controls. The Act had been in effect for just over one year when NORML submitted its 1972 petition. On September 1, 1972 the Director of BNDD announced his refusal to accept the petition for filing, stating that he was not authorized to institute proceedings for the action requested because of the provisions of the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, 1961. NORML appealed this action to the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. The court held that the Director had erred in rejecting the petition without "a reflective consideration and analysis," observing that the Director's refusal "was not the kind of agency action that promoted the kind of interchange and refinement of views that is the lifeblood of a sound administrative process." NORML v. Ingersoll, 162 U.S. App. D.C. 67, 497 F.2d 654, 659 (1974). The court remanded the matter in January 1974 for further proceedings not inconsistent with its opinion, "to be denominated a consideration on the merits." Id. A three-day hearing was held at DEA [footnote 2] by Administrative Law Judge Lewis Parker in January 1975. The judge found in NORML's favor on several issues but the Acting Administrator of DEA entered a final order denying NORML's petition "in all respects." NORML again petitioned the court for review. Finding fault _________________ >>> Continued to next message... ___ X Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 X --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Who's Askin'? (1:17/75)