--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBG00002Date: 07/10/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:34am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana & addicti [1/3 AV> JK> Physiological research, including what I have presented AV>AV>to you here previously and that you have chosen to ignore, has AV> JK> I've got too many books that are full of physiological research. AV>I would be surprised if you have any reliable physiological research AV>conclusively demonstrating that marijuana has physiological effects AV>associated with addiction. Just start with the official manual of mental illness in this nation, the DSM IV. It has material on marijuana scattered throughout, and you are free to find and locate all of it. * SLMR 2.1a * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBG00003Date: 07/10/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:35am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana & addicti [1/3 AV>Some day there may be a reliable study conclusively demonstrating that AV>marijuana induces chemical changes in the human brain that are commonly AV>associated with proven drugs of dependence. For example, if a study AV>demonstrated that marijuana stimulates the release of the neurochemical AV>dopamine in the so-called "reward pathways" of the brain and that AV>subjects suffered effects of physical withdrawal upon, for example, the AV>administration of a blocking agent directly into the brain, I would AV>agree that marijuana may be addictive rather than just habituative to AV>*some* people. Go to the nearest Narcotics Anonymous meeting and ask the real experts, those who have made a conscious and painful decision to leave all mind altering drugs alone. Ask them what they know about the stuff. * SLMR 2.1a * Press any key to continue or any other key to quit - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBG00004Date: 07/10/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:37am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & children AV>If you must, deal with the irresponsible adults as being child abusers. AV>Provide the death penalty for anyone who provides marijuana to AV>a child. Don't criminalize and lock up responsible adults for AV>using marijuana as a medicinal, religious, or recreational herb. Those who use marijuana for medicinal, religious, or recreational use are not responsible adults. They are under the influence of a mind altering drug. This is like saying permit the contents of the nearest bar at midnight on Friday night to make the laws determining punishment for drunk drivers. * SLMR 2.1a * This tagline stolen by Silly Little Mail Reader! - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBG00005Date: 07/10/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:42am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine 1/ AV>FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge Is this one of the young attorneys who wandered down to First Avenue in Seattle to buy cocaine on street corners during a lunch hour a few years back? He most certainly has not worked where I have, nor has he attended any meetings of addicts in recovery. Where he gets his medical knowledge from to make a determination that marijuana is not harmful escapes me. We also prescribe tranquilizers and other mind altering drugs. Ever have a case where the children in the family get into this? Are you aware that the average drinker's home has enough alcohol left lying around on Sunday morning to kill a small child from a party the night before? And, are you aware of just how much the use of this drug has esculated among the teenagers since you and other well intentioned fools have begun to promote the "medicinal" use of the stuff? The use has doubled and tripled. And left an entire generation of older teens without an adequate education. They aren't even fit for this man's modern military. * SLMR 2.1a * I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBH00000Date: 07/11/97 From: RICHARD KRAMER Time: 01:09pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: ALOPECIA Dear All, I have a friend who is now suffering from alopecia patches and she has read somewhere that vitamin B intake should be increased. Is this true? If so, y? Are there any other remedies anyone has tried that have proved beneficial? Any help would be appreciated, thanks Richard. --- * Origin: Two things that I hate: people that can't count (2:254/164.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBH00001Date: 07/12/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 07:54am \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Acupuncture Alan: Alan Fletcher wrote in a message to Jane Kelley: AF> Notice you failed to mention what we could do a lot better and how AF> the consequences of such actions would lead to a better world than AF> that ruled by Nature and hence natural selection and the survival AF> of the fittest. If I recall correctly, Darwin's description of natural selection involved survival of the "fit". The fittest may have the most influence, but as long as one is fit enough to procreate, one's line will also survive. --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00000Date: 07/11/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 03:56am \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 1 times) Subj: A Drink Or 2 A Day BM> JK> Is this one of your wittier moments or were you under the influence f BM> JK> too much fire water over the weekend when you wrote this one? BM> The weekend?? On my calendar July 3, 1997 was a Thursday. BM> BM> You posted the following on the date as shown below. Deny it and BM> BM> prove once and for all time that you lie like a rug! I AM NOW FIRMLY CONVINCED THAT YOU ARE BOTH A RABBLE ROUSER AND SOMEONE WHO HAS ABSOLUTELY NO REGARD AT ALL FOR ANY IDEAS WHICH ORIGINATE OUTSIDE OF YOUR OWN BRAIN. As such, you are dangerous. You have refused to acknowledge my posts regarding what you consider to be a lie, instead you have chosen to keep on with your diatribe. I have no respect for you or your opinions at all, Bob. They are too easily blown away by what I can find in any current magazine, newspaper, TV program, or on my computer in Medline and other legitimate sources of medical information. 'Bye. * SLMR 2.1a * All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00001Date: 07/12/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:28am \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 1 times) Subj: A Drink Or 2 A Day BM> JH> yeah, but if she is "right" why doesn't she respond to direct BM> JH> questions? BM> Perhaps she's been indulging in too many herbal concoctions? By this time even you should know my stance on the use of herbal concoctions that are mind altering. But then, if you did understand what I write, you wouldn't say most of what you do about me or my work. --- SLMR 2.1a Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00002Date: 07/12/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:28am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana SK>JK>Sonny, I don't know what mountain top you live on behind high walls SK>JK>with barbed wire enclosures that isolates you from reality. The SK>JK>blunt truth is that a "pure" alcoholic is almost unknown today. Most SK>JK>addicts are using at least two drugs besides alcohol and I am not SK>JK>limiting this to caffeine and nictotine. SK>Sorry, Mommy, but you are turning the point around again. YES, people SK>that use drugs do tend to use other drugs and alcohol. The point was SK>that MOST PEOPLE THAT DRINK ALCOHOL DO NOT USE OTHER DRUGS. That is a lie. A very poor one, but nevertheless, a lie. And if you had one whit of the knowledge that you think you do, you would understand why it is a lie. There are very, very few folks today who don't use other drugs along with alcohol. They smoke, getting nicotene all over the place. They also drink coffee which has caffeine in it. Those are two of the legal mind altering drugs available besides the alcohol. And they tend to use sugar which is a problem in itself for some. Then those who become addicted to alcohol learn at an early age to hold off the symptoms of early addiction and even middle stage addiction by the use of other substances and think they have gotten away with something. Until the damage to their brains and body becomes overwhelming and they start to present late stage chronic symptoms of addiction without having presented most of the symptoms of early and middle stage addiction. Then they also become very sick. --- SLMR 2.1a Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBI00003Date: 07/12/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:28am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana/men Breast Canc AV>This response clearly demonstrates your propensity to overgeneralize, AV>and to merely deny what you don't agree with. You have invariably AV>exhibited this behavior with respect to drugs, how they affect people, AV>and how people use them. In this instance, you don't know all judges, AV>you don't know most judges, you don't know Judge Young, you don't AV>know what evidence Judge Young considered (unless you read his AV>decision), and yet you make a conclusion based solely upon the fact AV>that the person does not support your version of reality. So, your AV>sweeping opinions in these matters are not credible or unreliable. I have been an "expert witness" in front of enough judges to realize than precious few of them have any idea at all of what addiction is all about. There are a few here and there who belong to A.A. and therefore have a much better understanding than you do, but these are few and far between indeed. It really doesn't matter what evidence he considered if he reached the decision you published. It wasn't enough to arrive at any conclusion worth mentioning. The religious right is in charge of diseminating information now, and we therefore are back in the days of the Pilgrims as far as any "justice" for any addict or any old women is concerned. --- SLMR 2.1a Press any key to continue or any other key to quit * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255)