--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBF00003Date: 07/10/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 08:55am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: question Does anyone know any sites on the web that contain the nutritive value of different foods? Thanks. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBF00004Date: 07/08/97 From: MARILYN BERRY Time: 11:33pm \/To: LISA MADGE (Read 1 times) Subj: A.D.D > mine that has found another way of dealing with it > without the use of "drugs". Well, at the risk of getting raked over the coals by other people in this echo who do not agree with me, I feel like I really do need to answer you since you asked about ALTERNATIVE ways of dealing with ADD, and, as far as I know, I'm about the only one in this echo with actual experience with exactly what you asked about.... Way back in the 1970's, my (then) 5-year-old daughter was diagnosed as having "MDB" & hyperactivity-- later, they changed the terminology to ADD & hyperactivity. The pediatrician prescribed Ritalin and a psychologist informed us that our child would not be able to function in school at all without Ritalin and probably only in "special" schools even with it. We ended up not giving our child Ritalin, and we went ahead and enrolled her in public schools. We didn't just ignore the situation, though. Our general goal was to help our daughter emphasize her talents (of which many were ADD characteristics) and preserve her self-esteem, so that she could achieve success. For instance, she seemed to need far less sleep than an average child, so instead of insisting that she sleep and making her sleep with medication, we taught her how to utilize those nighttime hours when everyone else was sleeping-- she would read late at night, or work puzzles. We enrolled her in sports that emphasized her abilities-- soccer, because it has few time outs & rewards those with an ability to keep moving; roller skating, because it takes a lot of energy; NOT softball, which requires children to stand around waiting patiently for something to happen. We learned by trial and effort which foods affected her behavior and which didn't. In our daughter's case, milk and other protein foods had a calming effect. We were not able to find any correlation with sugar intake. We changed OUR expectations of how our child was going to be judged in this society. We didn't demand that she get straight A's in school, because we knew that part of her grade might include "ability to sit still." We supplemented her school education with weekend & evening educational activities and were able to do a lot of those at HER pace-- sometimes going through museums almost at a run and finding out that she absorbed more of the information than when she was forced into a more leisurely & boring pace. We made sure she did not feel that ADD was a "disability"-- in fact, we treated it as a TALENT that needed to be developed and worked with, just like any talent. Therefore her self-esteem was not compromised. We feel we were very successful with our child. She went through public schools, got accepted into a magnet high school, got scholarships to a good college and graduated with better than a 3.5 average on her bachelor's degree in psychology. She's now 28, married, has a baby (who does not seem to have ADD symptoms) and is the best mother you can imagine-- has unlimited energy to care for her child. She's worked several part-time and full-time jobs since she was 17, and her employers have raved about the quality and especially the quantity of her work-- she can work rings around "average" people. She's currently a child-welfare worker for a state agency. She is also a very sociable person who literally has hundreds of good friends. Despite doomsayers who predicted then and now that untreated ADD kids will end up taking drugs, dropping out of school, being criminals, our daughter is educated, has never taken drugs, doesn't smoke, certainly is not a criminal, and, in fact, works WITH the DA's office in their prosecutions of child abusers. BTW, I have talked to several people raising children diagnosed with ADD or ADHD who recommend Reiki or Therapeutic Touch. I am trained in both techniques now, but wasn't when my daughter was living at home. Since those techniques both promote BALANCE and have a calming effect, I can certainly believe that they would be useful for children with ADD. --- FMail 0.92 * Origin: (1:170/901) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBF00005Date: 07/10/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 03:52pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: our toxic environment On 07-03-97 00:52, Jane Kelley typed to Ty Meissner regarding: => Bill White <= Hello Jane, TM> The ONE already identified toxin that has caused more brain damage TM> including the kind that leads to social pathology and criminal TM> behavior isn't even a high tech toxin; it's LEAD. JK> THAT I knew about....which is why paints changed and so did our JK> gasoline to exclude lead. I am certain that there are high levels in JK> some folks if we would only test for them. There is a VAST amount of lead all around us - much more than most of us think. And we are paying the price in high crime rates and low production. But what the hey, its just the cost of doing (corporate) business. And anyone who watches TV knows that petrochemical companies ("people do") are the SAVIOURS of our environment. Its sad when some of the minds who are teaching our children buy this line of horsepuckey. Its time we put a stop to having K-12 environmental curiculea designed by chemical industry PR people. From Peter Monatague's RACHEL# 553 newsletter: "An eye-opening new book describes the nearly-complete failure of all our attempts to regulate the behavior of the chemical corporations. TOXIC DECEPTION, by Dan Fagin and Marianne Lavelle,[1] is subtitled "How the Chemical Industry Manipulates Science, Bends the Law, and Endangers Your Health." In his day job, Dan Fagin writes for NEWSDAY (the Long Island newspaper) and Marianne Lavelle writes for the NATIONAL LAW JOURNAL. Both are award-winning investigative reporters, and this book shows why: it is thorough and thoroughly-documented, even-handed, careful in its conclusions, and absolutely astonishing in how grim a picture it paints of our corporatized democracy. Even those of us who study chemicals-and-health full-time have never put all the pieces together the way these two have." ------------------- >8 snip ! --------------------- TM> But since these mass murderers (many of whom also sit on the boards TM> of international tobacco companies) are all rich white men, we on't TM> talk about it. JK> Long since past time we did. And, some of them are rich, white women. Since this is also the same small crowd that owns the major TV and radio broadcast networks and newspaper chains. Look at what happened to Gary Webb, author of the Dark Alliance series exposing the CIA's role in Contra drug smuggling operations. He got demoted and tranferred to a rural bureau. We are decieving ourselves if we think that govt. agencies like the FDA are really protecting our health. The FDA has successfully created the false perception that it is protecting us. It allows toxins in our food production that should not be allowed at all. And it just plain IGNORES 90% of the chemicals in wide use, and only looks at those chenicals that industry wants it to look at. The reason we all should go out of our way to eat organic foods is to avoid accumulating the toxins contained in commercial foods. I'm lucky to live in an area where local organic farmers make a wide selection of produce available, year round. I still buy tropicals, mostly from Mexico, but I wash them well with soap before using. I'm lucky, too, that I didn't have to eat toxic commercial foods while my body was at that crucial deveopmental phase, the first 10 years. Organic foods were the order of the day in the 30s and 40s. The chemical industry didn't begin to mushroom to its current size until WW II. Carcinogenesis is a very slow and lenghty process, typically involving decades in humans, according to a leading oncologist. And thus the effects of accumulations of subclinical amounts of endotoxins would not likely become apparent in a lesser span of time. We (and our children) will be paying the price for industrialists' greed for many generations to come (if we're lucky). If we're not so lucky there won't be that many more generations of us. Ty Ty Meissner E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. -- Peter Spiro ... Of course I'm running Windows#d+o+ NO CARRIER --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBF00006Date: 07/09/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 03:05pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: radioact/toxic fertilizer I found this in my e-mail and thought I'd share it with you. I think it is part of a growing trend that is the result of deregulation of industry: Seattle----Toxic heavy metals, chemicals and radioactive wastes are being recycled as fertilizer and spread over farmers' fields nationwide---and there is no federal law requiring that they list the ingredients, The Seattle Times reported. The issue came to light in the central Washington town of Quincy, population 4,000, when Mayor Patty Martin led and investigation by local farmers concerned about poor yields and sickly cattle. "It's really unbelievable what is happening, but it's true," Martin told the newspaper. Until now, the state Department of Agriculture sampled fertilizer only to see if they contained advertised levels of beneficial substances. But the state is currently testing a cross-section of fertilizer products to see if they threaten crops, livestock or people, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported Friday. Use of industrial waste as a fertilizer ingredient is a growing national phenomenon, The Times reported. In Gore, Okla. a uranium-processing plant gets rid of low-level radioactive waste by licensing it as liquid fertilizer and spraying it over 9,000 acres of grazing land. At Camas, Wash., lead-laced waste from a pulp mill is hauled to farms and spread over crops destined for livestock feed. In Moxee City, Wash., dark powder from two Oregon steel mills is poured from rail cars into silos at Bay Zinc Co. under a federal hazardous waste storage permit. Then it is emptied from the silos for use as fertilizer. The newspaper called the powder a toxic byproduct of the steel-making but did not identify it. Federal and state governments encourage the recycling, which saves money for industry and conserves space in hazardous-waste landfills. The substances found in recycling fertilizers include cadmium, lead, aresnic, radioactive materials and dioxins, the Times reported. The wastes come from incineration of medical and municipal wastes, and from heavy induistries including mining. smelting, cement kilns and wood products. Unlike many other industrialized nations, the United States does not regulate fertilizers. Yhat makes it virtually impossible to figure out how much fertilizer contains recycled hazardous wastes. And laws in most states, including Washing, are far from stringent. Reprinted under "fair use"---from the Knoxville News Sentinel---July 7, 1997. This kind of thing makes the toxic immune crisis in the world worse-----this needs to be a crime. But the point is, its NOT a crime but a fast growing practice of industry and a typical example of the side effects of a free market economy. The "free" in free markets means free to defraud and poison Billions of consumers. A Bhopal is coming to YOUR neighborhood, thanks to free markets. Ty Ty Meissner E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. -- Peter Spiro ... . Napa Valley California - home of world class wines. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBF00007Date: 07/10/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 03:52pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: We've come a long way ? On 07-03-97 01:00, Jane Kelley typed to Ty Meissner regarding: => No "Red Indians" Here <= Hello Jane, ------------------- >8 snip ! --------------------- JK> The Canadians are closer to the source than we are. We had a bunch of JK> rabid idiots land in New England and start to drown old women there. JK> Old Salem was not a place to be if you were female, unmarried, and JK> rich. That made you a target for the witch hunters. We've come a long way since then. Or have we ? Ty Ty Meissner E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. -- Peter Spiro ... Better active today than radioactive tomorrow --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBF00008Date: 07/09/97 From: MELISSA LEVITT Time: 11:38am \/To: CLIFF MORRISON (Read 1 times) Subj: Bell's Palsy Hi Cliff, CM>I am currently undergoing a MULTITUDE of tests to confirm or rule out the ab CM> The left side of my face is now completely paralyzed. Does ANYONE know ANYT CM> about this disease? If so I would be MOST grateful for ANY info you could s CM>y. Even a point in the right direction would be MOST appreciated! I'm locate CM> Ontario Canada BTW if that makes a difference to the direction I would be p CM>ed to. Can it get worse? Can I regain the use of my face? Can I lay CM>piano, which would be a trick as I couldn't before. I hope all will e CM>e my humour but it's how I am currently coping with this. I'm only 40 and th CM>as hit me pretty hard. I have enjoyed riding a Harley since I was 16. I am n CM>nable to ride due to my left eye drying out in the wind as I can't blink. Th CM>ell me if I let it dry out too much it could crack and I stand the chance of CM>ing it. Any suggestions as to how to deal with this? I don't know much, but I also had a small touch of Bell's Palsy a few years back. It knocked out one nerve to my lower lip. No one can tell, but I can feel it (there's just one small part under my mouth that has no sensation). My doctor told me a the time that it's caused by untreated ear infections. Whether that's true or not, I couldn't tell you. And as far as treatment, I would get a referral to a good neurosurgeon to see if the damaged nerves can be repaired surgically. Good luck to you. (: Melissa ... SLMR 2.1a If worms had machine guns, birds would back off. --- * Origin: TheSanatorium! 607-648-6789 Sanataria Springs, NY (1:260/432) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBG00000Date: 07/10/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:43am \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Acupuncture BM>Jane Kelley (On 06 Jul 97) was overheard expounding to Alan Fletcher BM> JK> At times I do. I don't worship Nature by running around with my BM> JK> clothes off, either. BM> Now THERE is a mental picture to conjure with !!! Glad to find out you are so easily amused. BM> Check out alt.sex.geriatric Written for and by men. No thanks. There's enough of that around already in novel form. * SLMR 2.1a * We all live in a yellow subroutine. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBG00001Date: 07/10/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 07:32am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana & addicti [1/3 AV> JK> It is very easy to tell that you haven't the faintest clue as to AV> JK> what A.A. or N.A. are all about. And with the attitude you present AV> JK> here, you are not likely to do so. AV>No. It is you who apparently does not understand psychology, AV>notwithstanding you claims to the contrary. But then, you are AV>the one who criticizes everyone, including the apparent majority of AV>doctors and nurses, who don't agree with you. Just which theory of psychology don't I understand? There's a book on the shelf which outlines around a dozen or more cockamanie theories which have been developed over the years, somewhat analogous to trying to figure out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. They became outdated when another book I own, "The Broken Brain" was published in 1984 by Harper & Row. In it, Nancy Andereasen, M.D., Ph.D., outlines the PHYSICAL tests that can be done for "mental illness". This puts the mind and body back together again, something badly needed since Sigmund Freud took them apart under the influence of cocaine. Another book I have had stolen from me once and replaced is "Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain" by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder. They documented the Russian experiments in parapsychology done in the 1970's! We have just begun to catch up to what the Soviet Bloc was doing and what our Native American healers are still doing in this area. We have a long way to go, according to posts such as yours, posts that can understand the benefit of some herbal remedies here and there, and completely negate those that have preserved this sort of knowledge down through the ages along with the knowledge of the human brain and nervous system that our Western medicine has long since lost. * SLMR 2.1a * Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1)