--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00048Date: 06/30/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 04:29pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: acupuncture Hi Jane, > AF> He could even have walked on stubs...and felt elated at the > AF> same time..by merely taking morphium. I fail to see any cure here. > The point is, Alan, that he was elated because he wasn't taking any pain > medication at all and he didn't have any pain. > Is that too simple to understand? I understood perfectly..that is why I said what I said and used the morphium example. Pain-killers treat symptoms (and often mask the symptoms of other complaints in the process) and are not a cure (or even the real answer for anything). And anyone who manages to escape pain with anything else not considered to be allopathic (acupuncture or whatever) is still not addressing the cause and thus only fooling him or herself. I rather think you had difficulty in understanding what I was implying. Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00049Date: 06/30/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 11:25pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Adhd Hi Jane, > AF> > Insulin doesn't CURE diabeties, either, but it sure helps out with the > AF> > problems this can cause! > AF> Because you yourself are a sufferer it is understandable that you > AF> place a greater accent on relief rather than on a cure..and even > AF> more understandable when an ailment such as osteoarthritis is not > AF> curable. Nevertheless, this is not the way to go for the future, > AF> more effort (i.e. research funds) need to be pumped into prevention > AF> and hence cure (prevention is the only cure) and thus into the > AF> causes of diseases and ailments. > Pontificate away, Alan. It's very easy when you don't have the problem. Well I do't have the problem because I am actively doing all I can to prevent me getting it. This is not to say I haven't had serious health problems in the past. The worst one I had was unknown and thus incurable as far as all the docs and university clinics and specialist clinics I visited were concerned. Every couple of months or so the sweat glands on the palms of my hands and the soles of my feet would cease to function..with resultant sweat build-up under the skin which looked like it had small bubbles under it. The rash was so itchy (extremely deep itchy) that I would unconsciously scratch the bubbles open during my sleep with my finger and toenails. The only medication which brought any relief (although only for the intake period and a couple of weeks after) was a strong dose of cortisone tablets coupled with a cortisone cream). The scratched open bubbles inflamed very easily and were very infectious. They not only stopped me from being able to walk (try walking on soles that are more scabs and open wounds than skin) and even close my hands properly, I also easily got inflamed eyes and could neither work nor go out in public. To cut a long and miserable story short, I decided to visit a naturopath who first of all took a faeces sample and sent it off to a lab for examination. The result was that my faeces was more or less bacteria-free and hence the bacterial flora almost destroyed (not least due to the antibiotics that I had been prescribed to deal with the inflammations. The treatment which cured me was: 1. A two-week fast on nothing but water. 2. A totally vegetarian diet for at least two months (I've been on it every since the treatment started ten years ago) 3. Drops (tasted like pond water) containing nothing but various strains of live bacteria commonly found in the intestines (I have since found out that live yoghurt innoculated with lactobacillus acidophilus is also effective...if you can stand about two months of ill winds before it really takes effect). It not only cured this complaint but also improved my skin, my wellbeing and health in general. > I can tell you that the Glucosamine is helping. So what is it supposed to do...and why? Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00050Date: 06/30/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 11:59pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Adhd Hi Jane, > AF> Our main bone of contention with each other Jane (that is why I > AF> snipped the rest) is that you still believe that an allergy is > AF> an ailment..i.e. rather than a symptom. Using your logic, > AF> everybody should have hayfeaver etc.. Using hayfeaver as an > AF> (extremely common) example, how long have these species of pollen > AF> been around Jane (I have asked you this before I believe)? > Alan, this simply belies your contention that it allergies are not a > disease. If something has been around for a long time, then some folks > have developed an immunity to it and others have developed a sensitivity > to it. Hogwash Jane. So why have allergies to pollen increased out of all proportion for the last three or so decades? Because the pollen are there (as they have always been)? I'll tell you why...... > Use alcohol and cocaine as glaring examples....the Chinese had both > heroin and alcohol long before the rest of the world and are not as > affected as other races are. > The native American had alcohol for around 300 years and is devestated > by it. > Cocaine comes from South America where the cola leaves were used to > offset a lack of protein in the food. The natives have a very high > incidence of hypoglycemia with a high rate of murder and other mayhem. > That was in a book by a criminologist, Alexander Strauss, that someone > fell in love with and "borrowed" from me. It did not come back. Nothing to do with allergies Jane. > This is one of the reasons why your vegetarian crap falls on deaf ears > as I know what happens to humans when animal meats are with held from > the diet and sufficient protein is not available. ...to get back to my original explanation about allergies, an allergy is an overreaction of the immune system to a particular protein (which does not explain why..i.e. the cause of the overeaction..the immune system starts to overreact). It is thus a SYMPTOM of a bewildered immune system to put it simply. Our bodies have been programmed for multimillions of years to recognise certain natural proteins as food (the essential amino acids) and any other common natural proteins which are not required as foreign bodies (these are marked with antibodies produced over the years for these natural but unwanted proteins alone so they can be excreted or eliminated). With the advent of airplanes, as well as the production of foreign proteins as foodstuffs and the more rapid cross-breeding of plants (not to mention genetic engineering of plants) we are being subjected to a growing number of foreign proteins (both from foreign produce as well as artificial or cross-bred produce) in a relatively short space of time. The problem is that some of these unwanted proteins are so similar to those which are needed that the body accepts them at first..only to realise later that they are useless. The body thus develops an antibody against them WHICH CAN ALSO FIT LIKE A JIGSAW PUZZLE INTO SOME NORMALLY ACCEPTED PROTEIN (like in pollen or even a tomato etc.). I've tried to keep it simple so that all can appreciate the basic mechanisms. Whether you appreciate them is up to you. Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00051Date: 07/01/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:09am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Adhd Hi Jane, You wrote to Steve: > SK>JK>Mark, this contradicts what you said above and is essentially the > SK>JK>same damn thing that the researcher at Swedish Hospital told me > SK>JK>several years ago! That new virus(es?) (i?) (what is the correct > SK>JK>plural of the critters?) are hard to find. > SK>Considering that new virii are found nearly every year with new flu > SK>strains I find that laughable. > The "new" ones are a form of those that are known. The virus will > mutate rapidly. The researchers have a pretty good idea of what they > are looking for. > Those such as Ebola are something else again. It is still not known for sure whether viruses mutate or are simply picked up by people travelling to other countries with other forms of viruses. As to Ebola..it is known that chimpanzees sometimes get it..and that not all the chimps in a group are decimated by it (Jane Goodall) and that outbreaks in the human population ONLY occur in the very few isolated areas where it is known that chimps are eaten as a source of food. It has not yet been proven where the chimps get Ebola and nor has it been proven conclusively (who would dare to act as guinea pig) that eating chimp meat is responsible. But a little common sense here (in view of the obvious connection) would seem good advice. Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00052Date: 07/01/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:12am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Alcoholics Hi Jane, > I wrote this and I am tired of putting my initials into your posts: > AF> > I'm also very convinced there is a genetic link to schizophrenia (that > AF> > one was found in England after the psychiatrists there got tired of > our > AF> > diagnoses over here in folks with the same heritage), the Bipolar > AF> > disorder, and those who are convinced that England won the American > AF> > Revolution :). > AF> You evaded the issue entirely here Jane. ;-) You should try leaving things as they are as I never wrote any of the above (may have quoted it somewhere though). ;-) Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00053Date: 07/01/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:29am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Arthritis Hi Jane, > AF> I have reached the conclusion that even today the allopathics still > AF> have no idea at all what a detox is and how it should be done..and > AF> the reasons against doing it their way. The same applies to many > AF> so-called alternative nutrition groups (the most famous being the > AF> microbiotic crowd..who nearly killed themselves before realising > AF> the error of their ways). > Now I am certain that your information is both old and dangerous. In this case you are dead right Jane. It is as old as the hills and was even (sometimes still is in some places) regularly practised in the distant past despite more natural foodstuffs. > I have no idea what you are supposedly reading as you write this sort of > thing, but I advise you to either cease and desist or learn better. In you state of health I would advise you to do some listening now and again for a change. ;-) > I can give you several methods of detoxification used in this nation > today with the goal of patient safety being first. You are aware that > detoxification of someone from alcohol and other drugs is potentially > life threatening, are you not? I am not interested in self-inflicted injuries Jane and am not willing to accept any responsibility (even merely as a taxpayer) for either alcoholics or other narcotic drug users (not even for those who are still sick because they chose to pass on the responsibility for their health to the allopathics..meaning you among others). > We found that B-vitamins and calcium were essential for control of > "nerves" and that giving something to calm down the stomach at times was > a lot better than the tranquilers. > What is really important is having someone on duty who has these and > other methods to chose from, and who also knows when to use what. > And that experience just doesn't come from books and data bases. It > comes from being alone on a unit in the middle of the night with only > whatever Higher Presence one has to draw upon in a crisis. The only answer to the problems with drug users you mentioned above is natural selection. The same goes for those who entrust their health and wellbeing to allopathic medicine rather than choosing to look after themselves. People who take allopathic medicine rather than addressing the causes of their complaints and striving for personal health are just as much "junkies" as those who prefer to drown their problems in alcohol or some other narcotic drug. Even if I die at 60...it will at least have been my fault rather than someone else's (side-effects of a drug, treatment with a drug rather than a cure, alcohol, tobacco etc. etc.). Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00054Date: 07/01/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:35am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Bee Venom Hi Jane (and Gayle): > GL>I have heard it is good for arthritis too. gayle > If you are speaking of bee venom, there is some concern about this one > as those who have a marked allergy can go into anaphalectic shock and > die rapidly if not near an emergency room. Presume you mean an ANAPHYLACTIC shock. Yes..this is true..but a good hospital or doc would test first before using it. Incidentally, allergies to bee (and wasp and hornet) venom are also becoming more common than they ever were before. Have you ever wondered why? I explained it in simple language in a previous post. :-) Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00055Date: 07/01/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:42am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Bill White Hi Jane, You wrote to Ty: > Just got a download today from Peter Montague: peter@rachel.clark.net > about toxic substances in the enviornment. This is from the > Enviornmental Research Foundation in Anapolis. > TOXINS and VIOLENT CRIME > "Pollution causes people to commit violent crimes--homicide, aggravated > assual, sexual assault and robbery--according to new research by Roger > D. Msters and co-workers at Dartmouth College. " > This article is well worth the subscription to his newsletter and agrees > with what Alexander Strauss, a criminologist who used to be in Tacoma > years ago, published in his book. I had it at one time, it is out of > print now, and someone borrowed it without returning it. The statistics (including yours...read Sagan) proove that violent crime etc. is much more prevalent in poor areas with poor education) than in the more well-off areas (despite an equal pollution burden in most cases). Did Strauss and Masters and co. find equal criminality in the police and the more better off people in those areas? No..they didn't..full stop...burn you books. > I guard my books today and won't let them out of the house. As I said...burn your books. Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00056Date: 07/01/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 01:07am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Cancer Hi Jane, > AF> Don't know why you replied to me rather than the gentleman who wrote > AF> in the first place. I am not interested in psychiatry and certainly > AF> not in any form of diagnostic medicine. I am interested in health > AF> and thus in prevention and bodily cure. IOW I am not interested in > AF> "broken brains" but how they got "broken" in the first place and > AF> how to prevent this happening. Neither am I interested in the > AF> treatment (but maybe in the prevention) of genetic defects. > IF YOU WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO READ WHAT ANDREASEN > and other authors are into these days, you would learn > that they see the brain as a well designed machine without > all of the mumbo jumbo that goes along with standard > psychiatry. I am getting a little concerned about the number of mails you send me..as my replies seem to lead to nothing most of the time in your case and are thus a waste of time and effort on both my and your part. When reading and considering the studies of our learned friends the researchers...you first have to ascertain the objective of their studies and for whom they are studying and why. This necessitates a bit of asking around (difficult for you in Internet and Fido I would agree as you do not get the other side of the coin...i.e. the silent...to you..protesters in other labs). Remember when Klaus Wiegand broke the sensational news that scientists had discovered that a bacteria was responsible for heart attacks. The news was about a year old when he broke it (and is still being upheld by the scientists concerned) but is still being repeated in the press and some less serious scientific journals. I shot him down with valid and serious quotes and opinions and he disappeared from here as quickly as he came (sad because he is more or less a neighbour of mine and we are working on a wild plant database together). I am not criticising Klaus here either..merely those scientists who are forced by their fund suppliers to either produce a product or a Nobel Prize or merely in need of some sort of recognition (if not from the scientific community then at least from the ignorant public at large). The latest and greatest hoax at the moment is helicobacter pylori being responsible for gastric ulcers (the pharma industry needs to sell more...rapidly becoming less effective...antibiotics). Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00057Date: 07/01/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 01:09am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: clinical trials Hi Jane, > AF> The only trouble is....I doubt whether we will ever reach a > AF> consensus because ALTMED in the U.S.A. seems more based on > AF> supplements and herbal preparations (i.e. a quasi allopathic > AF> approach) rather than on prevention and on roads to gaining > AF> (or regaining) health and wellbeing. As long as people > AF> (including some purported ALTMED followers) fail to realise > AF> that no pill or preparation in the world (whatever its contents) > AF> will in any way help in reaching these goals..there will be > AF> discrepancies and argumentation within the ranks of ALTMED > AF> followers. Wild animals don't need...and have never needed.. > AF> pills and preparations and nor do they have any use for > AF> mega-expensive diagnostic equipment. > Your perception of reality is just that.......yours. And who's fault is it that your perception has become rather distorted?? Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5)