--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00028Date: 06/28/97 From: MARILYN BERRY Time: 11:04pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Osteoarthritis > I can feel for you but there is no cure for osteo > (what is gone is > gone) only relief or an artificial joint. If you can Alan, I've come back out of "lurk" mode very temporaraily, to respond to this.... It IS possible to get full relief from osteoarthritis, without painkillers, without medication of any kind. And, no, I can't quote any studies. But I have the very thing this echo was set up to exchange-- personal experience: In 1984, I was diagnosed with osteoarthritis of the upper spine, which was affecting the nerves running out of the spine and down the arms. By 1990, despite being on medications, I was unable to drive because I couldn't reliably steer the car, and I was sometimes unable to do fine-motor control work with my arms. I had pain and tingling in the arms all the time, and occasional numbness. In 1993, I started using an energy modality called Therapeutic Touch and later also learned Reiki, and I do sessions for myself regularly. This took care of the problem. ALL the osteoarthritis symptoms went away and have not come back. I took myself off the medications, and now take NO medication of any kind, no hormones, no painkillers, no vitamins, nothing. (And I haven't been back to a doctor since 1993.) I resumed driving and all my fine-motor control was restored. I can lift heavy loads, dig ditches, clog-dance (5 hours a week), climb onto my roof and nail shingles, carry my new grandbaby without fear of dropping him. I now have NO symptoms of osteoarthritis. Am I "cured"? Who cares? It is AS IF I am cured, and that's good enough.... > I for one would be the first to listen if it works. Even if the thing that works is an energy modality, like Reiki? Actually, you don't have to answer that-- I'm going back to "lurk" mode. I just wanted you to know that it is not true that the only thing you can do about osteoarthritis is prevent it, use painkillers, or get an artificial joint. There are OTHER ANSWERS.... --- FMail 0.92 * Origin: (1:170/901) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00029Date: 06/29/97 From: BOB MOYLAN Time: 11:03pm \/To: JASON HUFF (Read 1 times) Subj: A Drink Or 2 A Day Jason Huff (On 28 Jun 97) was overheard expounding to Jane Kelley JH> correct me if i am wrong, but didn't you say in earlier posts, that JH> the native americans have a genetic protction against alcoholism? You are not, she did. As you've noticed Jane has a tendency to not respond often to direct questions with direct answers. She's very good at obfuscation. ... The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. --- PPoint 2.03 * Origin: What's The Point? Virginia Beach, VA USA (1:275/429.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00030Date: 07/07/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 06:22am \/To: JASON HUFF (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: A Drink Or 2 A Day JASON HUFF was thinking about Re: A Drink Or 2 A Day and keyed into cyberspace: JH>BM> Jason Huff (On 28 Jun 97) was overheard expounding to Jane Kelley JH>BM> JH> correct me if i am wrong, but didn't you say in earlier JH>BM> JH> posts, that the native americans have a genetic protction JH>BM> against alcoholism? JH>BM> You are not, she did. JH>BM> As you've noticed Jane has a tendency to not respond often to JH>BM> direct questions with direct answers. She's very good at JH>BM> obfuscation. JH>yeah, but if she is "right" why doesn't she respond to direct JH>questions? Because she has no time to get mired down in the details of straightening out facts that disagree with her. Spewing and pontificating time consuming. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00031Date: 07/06/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 10:27pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Virus ALAN FLETCHER was thinking about Virus and keyed into cyberspace: AF> Hi Mark, AF> I wrote to Terry: AF> > AF> Everyone who sticks to the subject of ALTMED (which is AF> > AF>non-allopathic and thus concerned with causes and prevention AF> > AF>rather than treatment) is welcome in here Terry. At the moment AF> > AF>I would estimate that the allopathics are in the majority in AF> > AF>here..which merely (at least to me) reveals their insecurity AF> > AF>as to allopathic treatment methods. AF> > Me insecure? Now, that is a first. AF> If you are an allopathic then why are you delving in here? Balance. Besides, I followed Jane here from ADHD. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00032Date: 07/06/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:01am \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: A Drink Or 2 A Day AF> > I vomited more Vodka than I ever managed to keep down. In my case, it AF> > is an allergy to potatoes. That is another factor in the use of AF> > beverage alcohol.....allergies. AF> Allergies hve nothing to do with the issue at hand and would tend AF> to drive a person towards avoiding beverages which produce an allergic AF> reaction. Again you dispute the concepts held by those who are really into nutrition. That came from Sally Rockwell, a nutritionist in Seattle who has received world wide attention for her work on the rotation diet. She states flatly that we tend to crave that which we are allergic to. Her basic degree came from the University of Washington and she has done post graduate work at John Bestyr in Seattle, the Naturopathic college. JK> > And since you refuse to admit that enzymes have anything to do with this or that allergies exist, you won't be able to understand what I wrote. AF> I have never refused to admit anything about enzymes or allergies, AF> merely that there is such a thing as a genetic alcoholic. How long was your nose after your wrote the above sentence? AF> To return to the issue of tolerance, it is perfectly possible for AF> a person to develop a certain tolerance to alcohol (although not AF> a healthy thing to do of course) without becoming an alcoholic. AF> The present world would be in a much sorrier state if this were AF> not the case. Of course. One has nothing to do with the other. The alcoholic has a marked lack of tolerance shortly after his or her drinking career begins. At first the tolerance may be much higher than that of the so called "normal" people. That tolerance fades rapidly right along with the supply of alcoholdehydrogenase. * SLMR 2.1a * This tagline is umop apisdn - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00033Date: 07/06/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:04am \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: A Drink Or 2 A Day AF> I'm not at all sure we are on topic here because we are mixing AF> alcoholism (which in MY view is not an ALTMED subject) with AF> even politics. Perhaps Dia could give guidance as to the legitimacy AF> of this thread. The TREATMENT of alcoholism has been an alternative medicine topic for years. It still is. And since there has been a new brand of psychiatry entitled "addiction psychiatry" created in this nation to treat alcoholics with all sorts of pharmaceutical offerings, I believe that it is even more important to allow it to stay put. Just because you don't understand where the Nile is doesn't mean that others cannot. * SLMR 2.1a * hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY? - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00034Date: 07/06/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:05am \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Acupuncture JK> > Some of the stuff he writes about was valid in the last century. AF> As I am a member of the German Natural Hygiene Society (which you AF> know full well), I would hope that EVERYTHING I talk about concerning AF> ALTMED has been valid since man jumped out of the trees..and perhaps AF> even for a few million years before that. Much of what you write has been discarded in favor of that which works, Alan, like it or not. Some of it can get downright dangerous if some reader doesn't know any better. * SLMR 2.1a * Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00035Date: 07/06/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:06am \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Acupuncture AF> > Because it lacks any logic. AF> If you claim that natural selection is illogical it would seem that you AF> have a very poor regard for the laws of Nature. At times I do. I don't worship Nature by running around with my clothes off, either. * SLMR 2.1a * Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00036Date: 07/06/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:10am \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Acupuncture AF> > I have taken care of infants who were AF> > premature but otherwise would grow up and be very healthy adults, IF AF> > they got the kind of care necessary for them to survive. AF> For every premature infant in the U.S.A. there are millions of AF> perfectly healthy infants elsewhere who could all survive the AF> famine conditions prevailing in their countries merely by sharing AF> the money which the rest of the world spends on PETS (not to AF> mention candy, ice-cream, tobacco and alcohol etc.). OTOH (despite AF> how sad it may seem to some) the very fact that these children are AF> not all surviving merely means that they were born in the wrong AF> place at the wrong time...i.e. natural selection. It's called S E X without birth control or much discipline, Alan. If one copulates long enough without any form of artificial protection, one is going to create new life. Which leads to another resentment I have against the Reagan/Bush/C.I.A. years in that any assitance to third world nations wanting birth control was prohibited. In spite of that, and by refusing to listen to this nation in many things, the birth rate is beginning to drop in some nations. The two that have most of the world's popuation are China and India. They have both instituted birth control and it is beginning to show up on their statistics. * SLMR 2.1a * My reality check just bounced. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00037Date: 07/06/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:12am \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Adhd AF> > We shall soon see what the Glucosamine does. I will not have surgery. AF> Personal experience is the best experience. Let us know how you AF> progress. Just remember what I was implying when I said a few posts AF> back that one can walk on one's own stubs by merely taking AF> morphium. To my knowledge there is no cure for osteoarthritis and AF> you are thus (IMOHO) faced with having to relieve the symptoms AF> and remain mobile. I AM NOT TAKING MORPHINE, DEMEROL, CODIENE, COCAINE, or any other similar drug! Glocosamine is a nutrient made from some sort of shell. Really Alan, you need to broaden your research. The data base is simply not enough. * SLMR 2.1a * All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1)