--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00019Date: 06/30/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 09:59am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana as medicine 3/ >>> Part 3 of 3... Nevertheless, even in light of the overwhelming body of evidence proving beyond doubt that cannabis is medically safe and effective, DEA Director John Lawn ignored Judge Young's advice and decreed that cannabis remain classified as a Schedule One drug -- extremely harmful and useless. This official classification is a pharmacological fraud fodded off by govt force. The medical wisdom of the ages and hope for the future crushed under the brute-force of tyrannical govt power. That is the face of tyranny. Let the sick and blind suffer and slowly die that the police state, its bloated bureaucrats and people-pulverizing prisons might prosper and proliferate like a plague. Such is the victory of evil over good. ___-----REFERENCES------------------------------------------------- [1] Marijuana: The First 12,000 Years, Plenum Press, 1980. [2] Marijuana: Medical Papers, Medi-Comp Press, 1973. [3] The Emperor Wears No Cloths, Queen of Clubs Pub, 1991. [4] The Consumers Union Report: Licit & Illicit Drugs, p. 405. Consumers Union, Mt Vernon, New York, 1971. [5] United States Depensitory. 9th ed., 1851, p. 310-311. [6] Principles and Practice of Medicine, D. Appleton, 1916. [7] A Modern Herbal, Dover Publications, 1931, reprinted 1971. [8] The Great Drug War, Macmillan Publishing, 1987. [9] FEDERATION PROCEEDINGS, "Antiepileptic Action of Marijuana-Active Substances," 1949, 8: 284-5. [10] JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, "Marijuana Smoking and Intraocular Pressure," 1971 Sep 6;217(10):1392. [11] NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE, "Antiemetic Effects of Delta-9-Tetrohydrocannabinol in Patients Receiving Cancer Chemotherapy," 1975, 293:795-7. (c) 1996 Ian Williams Goddard - (*) free to copy nonprofit w/ attribute. http://www.erols.com/igoddard GODDARD'S HOME PAGE ___ * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) ___ X Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 X --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Who's Askin'? (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00020Date: 06/30/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 10:06am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana & children Jane Kelley wrote to Alex Vasauskas: AV>Moreover, this contains two misleading implications: the idea that AV>anyone is advocating the recreational use of marijuana or any other AV>drug for children, and the myth that marijuana use causes people to want AV>other drugs more than if they had not tried marijuana. Neither of these AV>is correct. JK> Then YOU explain WHY many of those who start out using alcohol and JK> marijuna switch to amphetamines and cocaine or other drugs and end JK> up in a psych ward by the time they are 20? Read the above and my previous posts again (if not the first time), please. NO ONE IS ADVOCATING THE RECREATIONAL USE OF MARIJUANA OR ANY OTHER DRUG FOR CHILDREN. Next, there is no valid study demonstrating the cause-and-effect relationship that you presume from your limited, anecdotal, personal observation -- just because two things sometimes happen together doesn't mean that one caused the other. The reasons that some children take more than one drug include the fact that some of those who are inclined to take drugs as a regular psychological escape may be inclined to take whatever they can get their hands on that will accomplish the effect. The ones that you are talking about were screwed up and without proper family connection *before* they started drugs, which use is a symptom of, and probably causes an exacerbation of, an underlying problem. Some people have problems with drugs, but the vast majority don't, which is *not* to say that children should be permitted to use drugs recreationally -- they are developing physically, socially, and emotionally, and any drug use can interfere with this development. ___ X Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 X --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Who's Askin'? (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00021Date: 06/30/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 02:02pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana/men breast canc Jane Kelley wrote in a message to Steve Kemp: SK>I doubt it. But, if pot is more available...that would be a GOOD thing. SK>It's hardly a troublesome drug at all. Actually, I'd dare say it is the SK>best drug. It is better physically and emotionally on one than ANY other SK>recreational drug. Better than cocaine, meth, uppers, downers, or even SK>alcohol. NO adverse side effects, except "the munchies". JK> There were several members of my daughter's high school class who JK> did not make it to graduation because of this "hardly troublesome JK> drug". I have also worked in a county jail, several treatment JK> units, and other places where those who were adversely affected by JK> this "best drug" outlined the very real problems they had with the JK> stuff. Notwithstanding your apparently unique universe that puts you in contact with with a small minority of people with personal problems that you and they like to blame on drugs or any other convenient scapegoat for lack of personal responsibility, Steve is absolutely right. In fact, the DEA's Administrative Law Judge, after evaluating all of the evidence that the government could muster to prove that marijuana is harmful, came to very much the same conclusions as Steve did. Judge Francis Young determined that marijuana was one of the safest drugs known to man: UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE Drug Enforcement Administration In The Matter Of MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION Docket No. 86-22 OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge DATED: SEPTEMBER 6, 1988 ================= UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE Drug Enforcement Administration _______________________________________ ) In The Matter Of ) ) Docket No. 86-22 MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION ) _______________________________________) OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF Administrative LAW JUDGE. FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge [...] Findings of Fact [...] 4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality. - 56 - 5. This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death. 6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year. [...] 15. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. 16. Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically - 58 - active substances known to man. ... --- * Origin: 61 deg. 25' N / 149 deg. 40' W (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00022Date: 06/30/97 From: LAIRD KELLY Time: 09:28pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana JK>AV>Moreover, this contains two misleading implications: the idea that JK>AV>anyone is advocating the recreational use of marijuana or any other JK>AV>drug for children, and the myth that marijuana use causes people to ant JK>AV>other drugs more than if they had not tried marijuana. Neither of hese JK>AV>is correct. JK>Then YOU explain WHY many of those who start out using alcohol and JK>marijuna switch to amphetamines and cocaine or other drugs and end up in JK>a psych ward by the time they are 20? This from someone who claims that alcoholics are geneticly predisposed to alcoholism >;-> Sheesh, next you will claim nicotine is a "gateway drug". When the most addictive drug known to man (nicotine) doesn't create "instant junkies" you can't argue that a less addictive drug will. Sorry, but there is no difference between your "noble alcoholic" and a "dirty junkie" - both take their drug-of-choice for the same reasons - either they are dependant on the high to "feel normal" or they are addicted & "need" the drug to avoid withdrawal * SLMR 2.1a * You've been smoking that stuff again, uh? --- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.3M1e * Origin: The Higher Ground, Gig Harbor, WA (1:138/211) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00023Date: 06/30/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 03:21pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Goodbye for a while Hi all, Just to let you know that I will be on vacation over the period 4 - 18 July and will thus be switching this echo off. In other words I will not be able to receive mail over this period and will also not receive any sent over this period when I get back. Best regards and TTYL, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00024Date: 07/01/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 12:08am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Adhd JANE KELLEY was thinking about Adhd and keyed into cyberspace: JK>Just because you have lived a dull and rather uninteresting life and JK>remained in one place doesn't mean that others stay put and do not JK>encounter new people, new ideas, and new experiences. Now, Jane, call me ignorant. Call me stupid. Just do not call me dull. If anything, my life has been far from dull. As for remaining in one place. Jane, I lived right near YOU for a year. Ever hear of Tillicum? Other places I lived were some jungles in SE Asia (I find it real hard to call THAT dull), Moscow, London, Teheran, and a few weeks in a town called Stanleyville, just to name a few. Lots of places where Sally Struthers will not go. As for interests, I have many. I have mentioned several to you, apparently you have a convenient memory. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00025Date: 07/01/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 06:24am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Alcoholics JANE KELLEY was thinking about Alcoholics and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>JK>MP>JK>According to the paper I laboriously typed in for you, JK>MP>JK>MP>JK>Dr. Charles Bates, in Olympia WA would say this is due to JK>MP>JK>MP>JK>food allergies. Any history of that in the kid's family JK>MP>JK>MP>JK>tree? JK>MP>JK>MP>But ADHD has been shown not to be caused by food allergies. JK>MP>JK>MP>In fact, the diagnostic method promulgated by ADHD experts, JK>MP>JK>MP>and sanctioned by DSM III specifically require that any JK>MP>JK>MP>other possible cause of the behavior be ruled out. IOW, a JK>MP>JK>MP>kid with ADHD has already been shown not to have allergies. JK>MP>JK>MP>ADHD is what is "leftover" when everything else is ruled JK>MP>JK>MP>out. JK>So you will only believe those who agree with you? What a narrow, JK>dull life you must lead. WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Jane, puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!! You only believe those who agree with you! And most of the time, they are salescreeps. POT. KETTLE. BLACK! ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00026Date: 06/30/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 09:46pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Conventional Medicine JANE KELLEY was thinking about Conventional Medicine and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>I saw that you appeared to be acting under misinformation. Is it a JK>MP>flame to provide correct information to you? I would hope not. JK>That is your perception of reality, which, in light of her post to JK>you, simply isn't true. JK>One day you might learn how to walk on water, but I bet it won't be JK>tomorrow, nor was it today, or the day you wrote the post to Sarah. Gee, Jane, and we agreed on this one. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00027Date: 07/01/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 06:32am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! JANE KELLEY was thinking about Ultimate Jane-ism! and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>JK>She doesn't sell all of the preparations I read about from the JK>MP>JK>parent group which produces the list server I had at one time. JK>MP>JK>So that one won't hold much water at all. JK>MP>Does she sell some? That is water deep enough to drown in. Did she JK>MP>license out? That's enough for a good soaking. JK>As far as I know she doesn't sell any of it. Where you get some of JK>the ideas that you have is beyond comprehension. So, you don't know for certain. OK, so she could be a shill for some company. I have no problem accepting that. JK>Except that denial comes in many forms and sizes. Pot. Kettle. Black. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110)