--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EB100004Date: 06/30/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 02:21pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana JK>AV>Since we were talking about marijuana, and I understand "junky" JK>AV>to be synonymous with "addict", are you suggesting that marijuana JK>AV>is addictive? JK>If you don't know that it is, go find the nearest meeting place of JK>Narcotics Anonymous and listen to those who speak there. JK>That is, if you can bear to contemplate the truth. Contemplate this truth. Marijuana IS NOT addictive, it is (or can be) a habituant. An addiction is defined partly by the presence of PHYICAL withdrawal symptoms as well as psychological withdrawal symptoms. Habituant withdrawal is marked only by the latter. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EB100005Date: 06/30/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 01:56pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana/men breast canc JK>SK>I doubt it. But, if pot is more available...that would be a GOOD JK>SK>thing. It's hardly a troublesome drug at all. Actually, I'd dare JK>SK>say it is the best drug. It is better physically and emotionally JK>SK>on one than ANY other recreational drug. Better than cocaine, JK>SK>meth, uppers, downers, or even alcohol. NO adverse side effects, JK>SK>except "the munchies". JK>There were several members of my daughter's high school class who did JK>not make it to graduation because of this "hardly troublesome drug". How do you know this? Pot made them not graduate, eh. But I did say that ALL drugs and alcohol and even cigarettes should not be consumed by kids. Just as driving cars is a right reserved to those over the legal age to do so. The acts of children need to be addressed by those kids parents...PERIOD! They aren't MY kids..nor the governments. JK>I have also worked in a county jail, several treatment units, and JK>other places where those who were adversely affected by this "best JK>drug" outlined the very real problems they had with the stuff. So these criminals, drug addicts, and such were thus because of Pot? Come on. It's alcohol that causes more crime and also more need for treatment than Pot. Thus my point...the SAFEST. If it's not the safest, what is? JK>Keep on defending your "right" to use it. I'm not defending my right to use it. I DON'T us it. I have. Therefore I know what it is like, and I know what I'm talking about. I know that it is quite a safe drug. You can keep defending your belief that putting people in prison is GOOD for them...better for them than smoking Pot. But, alcohol is A.O.K. cause it's legal. The use of it, however, is still a Federal crime. Yep. A illogical and hypocritical system has made it so. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EB100006Date: 06/30/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 02:01pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Witches, Druids JK>Some minds are able to harness and use the electromagnetic fields JK>around us. Others may or may not realize they exist unless they are JK>shamans. Damn, and you think I'M on drugs. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00000Date: 07/07/97 From: GAYLE LICARI Time: 04:57pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: ST. JOHN's WORT on 20/20 Doctors are now touting St. John's Wort for depression. Leading doctors are saying it may be better than Prozac for mild to moderate depression. They established medical field will eventually come around to see natural is just as good as synethic and maybe better. Gayle --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Library COM -* Reno, NV USA *- (702) 785-4191 (1:213/742) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00001Date: 06/29/97 From: KENNETH J. RENAUD Time: 05:03pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Witches, Druids -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Kenneth J. Renaud <=- JK> You are asking about the oldest form of alternative medicine known to JK> mankind in your post.......and there are no easy answers. In this JK> nation, it gets tangled up with parlor displays and Bridie Murphy JK> events, rarely gets to the level of Edgar Casey and his work. JK> Sybil Leek, on page 107 of her book, "Diary of a Witch" has an entire JK> chapter on psychic healing. In this same chapter she describes Black JK> Magic and the damage it does, warning the wise to avoid it at all JK> costs. JK> Sybil Leek was born in England, into a family which has kept the JK> practice of witchcraft alive and well for centuries. The library of JK> congress number: 68-18514, copyrighted in 1968 and first published by JK> Prentice-Hall. My copy is a Signet books pocket book edition JK> published in 1969. KJR> JK> Thank heaven most of England doesn't support that view! JK> The small KJR> JK> office in Whitehall during WWII which dealt with JK> the witches, druids, KJR> JK> and others still practising the ancient JK> religions in the British Isles KJR> JK> would never have been possible JK> in Washington, D.C. Nor would the KJR> JK> alliance between the JK> Masonic Order and those who have kept alive the KJR> JK> ancient JK> knowledge that led Joan of Arc to the Dauphine. JK> Joan of Arc is thought by some with excellent knowledge of psi powers JK> such as astral projection and telepathy to have been led to the JK> Dauphine by humans who were highly adept in their use. JK> Books about the Knights Templar order in Europe might provide further JK> information about that part of history. KJR> JK> The Allies would not have been able to accurately predict every KJR> JK> military move Hitler was about to make and learn to counter him KJR> JK> effectively. Nor would the chain of telepaths have been set up rom KJR> JK> England, across the channel, across Europe, and into wherever he was. JK> I had a copy of "Sword of Charlemange" at one time, a documentary JK> written about a man who was raised in Germany, escaped to England, and JK> worked with the folks there to bring Hitler down. According to this JK> book, Hitler was obsessed with a sword that had belonged to JK> Charlemange, believed that anyone who owned it would one day rule the JK> world. We had it briefly at the end of WWII. It came from Austria, I JK> believe, and may have gone back there. JK> Another book I read was a novel with a lot of similar information. JK> Both books mention the ring of telepaths that was set up from England JK> to Germany to relay information. JK> The Knights of the Garter have a distinctive purple color for their JK> garter. It was this that was thrown on the deck of Drake's ship by JK> Queen Elizabeth as a sign that he should convene the same folks in JK> England at that time. He did, and this is credited with the storm JK> that kept the Spanish Armada from English shores. JK> A "cone of power" has been set up around the British Isles twice in JK> recorded history, the second time during WWII. JK> To get this into the alternative medicine realm, "Psychic Powers JK> Behind the Iron Curtain" was written by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn JK> Schroeder in 1970, published originally by Prentice-Hall, Inc., and JK> later by Bantam Books. It mentions auras, or the colors that some JK> folks can see around the head. These are used for diagnostic purposes JK> by those who first can see them and second by those who have been JK> taught to interpret them. I worked with one LPN who used them JK> effectively to let her know which drugs someone presented themselves to JK> the door at detox with. JK> Their second book, "Handbook of Psychic Discoveries" was copyrighted JK> in 1974, published by Berkley Medallion Book with a Library of Congress JK> number: 73-88532. In the back of that one are several references to JK> sources of information both in this nation and in Europe. JK> Some minds are able to harness and use the electromagnetic fields JK> around us. Others may or may not realize they exist unless they are JK> shamans. KJR> JK> There is much in this world that you cannot see, smell, or taste, KJR> JK> Alan. KJR> JK> Living as you do is like eating all food without spices. KJR> Is there any books docuementing these cases, My Wife is very nterested KJR> in learning more about this. Thanks Thanks for the Interesting information. I printed it off in My Bluewave Packet & Ill pass it along to her! ... Catch the Blue Wave! ~~~ ReneWave v2.00+ --- Renegade v05-11 Exp * Origin: Soap Suds =STLMO= (314)771-7954 (1:100/250) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00002Date: 06/30/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 02:31am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Bill White On 06-17-97 02:36, Jane Kelley typed to Ty Meissner regarding: => Bill White <= Hello Jane, ------------------- >8 snip ! --------------------- JK> Just got a download today from Peter Montague: peter@rachel.clark.net JK> about toxic substances in the enviornment. This is from the JK> Enviornmental Research Foundation in Anapolis. JK> TOXINS and VIOLENT CRIME JK> "Pollution causes people to commit violent crimes--homicide, JK> aggravated assual, sexual assault and robbery--according to new JK> research by Roger D. Msters and co-workers at Dartmouth College. " ------------------- >8 snip ! --------------------- The ONE already identified toxin that has caused more brain damage including the kind that leads to social pathology and criminal behavior isn't even a high tech toxin; it's LEAD. Our petrochemical industry has done just as much to increase our crime and violence as all the opium and cocaine druglords in history put together. But since these mass murderers (many of whom also sit on the boards of international tobacco companies) are all rich white men, we don't talk about it. Regards, Ty Ty Meissner E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. -- Peter Spiro ... I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EBC00003Date: 06/30/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 02:51am \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Bill White On 06-26-97 00:42, Alan Fletcher typed to Ty Meissner regarding: => Bill White <= Hello Alan, ------------------- >8 snip ! --------------------- > unhealthy. We, collectively are poisoning ourselves and though > we > know what we are doing, and what the ultimate cost of our actions, > we > just don't care to change our ways. AF> Whilst I would agree with all that I am not so sure about your AF> statement that people don't care to change their ways. They all would AF> (as is being demonstrated here in Germany (in Austria and Switzerland AF> even more so) if they are given better and healthier alternatives. On AF> the political front..the "green" parties have gained considerable AF> ground and are now represented in many European parliaments. As a AF> result, people here have become extremely health conscious when it AF> comes to the food they are eating and also on general environmental AF> issues. It was...OTOH...extremely disappointing to see again at the AF> last recent WHO environmental summit that Clinton refused to agree to AF> a program of successive air pollution reduction (particularly AF> CO2 and S02) in the face of all worldwide warnings on the AF> so-called "greenhouse effect". AF> Best regards, AF> Alan Proof that my statement is correct: those who have the power to destroy or to save the environment have clearly chosen destruction. But since our conference moderators consider it improper behavior to acknowlege that "everything is connected to everything," I'm sure that this discussion has drifted off topic. I think we are supposed to talk about herbs and acupuncture ONLY and we are supposed to maintain the fiction that politics doesn't exist, and if it did exist, it would never affect things like medicine orr health. You know, "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" is the rule here on Fidonet, no matter how tortuously one has to bend the truth to maintain this childish fiction. Fooey ! Ty Ty Meissner E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. -- Peter Spiro ... . Napa Valley California - home of world class wines. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910)