--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAZ00012Date: 06/29/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 09:19am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! MP>JK>She doesn't sell all of the preparations I read about from the parent MP>JK>group which produces the list server I had at one time. MP>JK>So that one won't hold much water at all. MP>Does she sell some? That is water deep enough to drown in. Did she MP>license out? That's enough for a good soaking. As far as I know she doesn't sell any of it. Where you get some of the ideas that you have is beyond comprehension. Except that denial comes in many forms and sizes. * SLMR 2.1a * Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAZ00013Date: 06/29/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 09:19am \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! BM> JK> She doesn't sell all of the preparations I read about from the parent BM> JK> group which produces the list server I had at one time. BM> You are correct Jane ... sort of... she doesn't sell "all" of the BM> preps mentioned on your defunct listserv. What she has done is BM> patent the brew and license it out. I don't think that she has the kind of educational background that would have done the work necessary to develope the stuff. One of those preparations was used for alcoholics years before she found out about it. She just looked around for what was there and modified it. * SLMR 2.1a * I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAZ00014Date: 06/29/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 09:19am \/To: TERRY RICKS (Read 1 times) Subj: Virus TR> > He is trying to prove that what you say is corrupted by our passion for TR> > money over here. TR> Jane, I wouldn't know anything about that. I'm a "civil servant"! TR>There are NO large sums of money being offered to me for my expertise, and TR>the last person that seriously offered me a bribe wound up paying a hefty TR>fine to the City coffers, which all goes to police and fire because THEY TR>have collective bargaining rights! THEY can negotiate pay increases, hile TR>the rest of us barely get along. That is usually true of those in some of the health care professions also. I guess the paramedics would not fit into that as they are firemen. * SLMR 2.1a * I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAZ00015Date: 06/29/97 From: MEG UMANS Time: 10:03am \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: ear wax -> probably better for softening a wax bung than anything else (using Peroxide - H2O2 - in your ear will soften and float out hard wax. --- PCBoard (R) v15.23 (OS/2) 5 * Origin: Exeter's Place * Gilbert, AZ * (1:114/449) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAZ00016Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 04:36pm \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 1 times) Subj: A Drink Or 2 A Day WY> WY>My friend's father died like that, six months after retirement - WY> WY>drinking and watching TV day in and day out. He never missed a day's WY> WY>work before retirement. WY> JK> That's sad. Some folks just don't have anything but work that they o WY> JK> daily. I've always had other things to occupy my mind and my time if WY> JK> I let them. WY>A hobby is vital in keeping our mind and body sound and healthy. WY>But I found having too many hobbies can increase one's stress WY>by being pulled in too many different directions. I like music, WY>photograpgy, travel, biking, computing, and some writing... Used to do some of that, a few years back. The computing has stuck, so as the writing if newsletters and such can be called that. WY> JK> The political and enviornmental activism I'm engaged in now keeps my WY> JK> mind and myself very active. If anyone had told me five years ago WY> JK> that I would be in the forefront of those locally who were concerned WY> JK> about such things I would have called them a liar. WY>Time changes our perspectives, and events change our orientation. WY>That means you're a dynamic force, Jane. I dunno. But......I learned that change can be affected from below years ago. And how to do just that. The pain from the arthritis is less some days than others. It isn't near as bad as it once was. * SLMR 2.1a * Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAZ00017Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 04:43pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: A Drink Or 2 A Day AF> This is all what is known as "training the liver". The liver can take AF> ever increasing amounts of alcohol (especially a young liver) up to AF> a certain point...but does rely on recognising the type of alcoholic AF> drink being consumed. Bull. What I was talking about in my post was the enzymes that have been developed in some races over the years in response to the use of alcohol. Lieber did a lot of work in this regard, you might try to find it in the infamous data base you claim to have access to. I learned about his work in 1979 so it had been out long before that, time enough for it to reach Germany I would think. The enzymes are alcoholdehydrgenase and catalase, among others. Some folks are born with a marked lack of alcoholdehydrogenase and some folks have plenty. AF> I remember back in my wild young days being able AF> to consume 12 pints of English ale and still walk straight. I was AF> almost flat on my back after drinking my first three German "half AF> pints" (0.3 l)!! What you are talking about is tolerance, and, no one but an alcoholic can consume a large amount of alcohol and function.......in the very early stages of the disease. Just as the French...who are used to drinking wine.. AF> can not take beer...so it is with wine with the Brits and Australians. AF> One does not become "immune" to alcohol (it still destroys brain AF> cells and burdens the digestive and excretory systems by hindering AF> the intake of several vitamins and also upsetting the intestinal AF> flora), one just develops a certain increasing, albeit negative AF> "tolerance" up to a point. This has nothing to do with genetics. AF> It's the same with tobacco and other drugs. I vomited more Vodka than I ever managed to keep down. In my case, it is an allergy to potatoes. That is another factor in the use of beverage alcohol.....allergies. And since you refuse to admit that enzymes have anything to do with this or that allergies exist, you won't be able to understand what I wrote. * SLMR 2.1a * I think therefore I am not a REpublican. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAZ00018Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 04:47pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: A Drink Or 2 A Day AF> > The Russians demonstrated more common sense than that after some of our AF> > alcoholics in recovery went over there on a mission they began and paid AF> > for in order to introduce treatment to the Soviet Union. That, AF> > incidently, began during the Cold War era and probably contributed as AF> > much to the Berlin Wall coming down as anyother action at the time. AF> The Berlin Wall came down because the "East" Germans revolted...very AF> quickly and before even the Russians could react. And Yelzin is an AF> alcoholic BTW (as are very many Russians in powerful places). Dropping AF> the price of vodka is a favourite method of keeping the folks calm. Revolt of the East Germans would not have had an impact on relations between this nation and Russia. I wrote this: JK> > That effort was begun and sponsored by Betty Ford. And I can assure AF> > you, having listened to two of the first 50 Americans who went over AF> > there, that they were heard. They were also respected, placed inside the AF> > Kremlin itself and housed there for their own protection at the time AF> > that we bombed Kadifi in Africa. And this: AF> > The Russian scientists were assembled in an ampitheater seating at east AF> > 500 to listen to a panel of the American alcoholics at one time. The AF> > best of their medical people were there that evening, listening to a AF> > bunch of drunks explain just how they had managed to quit drinking. This was in Gorbycheh's era. His wife and daughter are highly educated. AF> They can listen all they like. The mafia "bootleggers" now even AF> control the Russian economy. No company can set up shop there AF> nowadays without paying protection money. Mafia films of AF> executions of those who refuse are even shown on Russian news AF> broadcasts. The whole country is now corrupt and alcoholism is the AF> least of their problems. Self will run riot seems to be in control. And alcoholism is still one of the biggest problems they have there. The mafia in Russia is run by Russians, not Scilians with some immunity to alcohol. * SLMR 2.1a * This tagline is umop apisdn - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAZ00019Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 04:48pm \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 1 times) Subj: Acupuncture WY> JK> There is something horribly wrong with his data base. Some of it is WY> JK> very outdated, other parts just don't agree with what I have seen and WY> JK> read. WY>It may go deeper - to the person who misread the "huge" data base! WY>The data maybe old, but they should not sound so outrageous out WY>of reality! Some of the stuff he writes about was valid in the last century. * SLMR 2.1a * I am not young enough to know everything. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAZ00020Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 04:51pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Acupuncture AF> Why are you so against natural selection? AF> Natural selection will also eliminate those tawdry sex tourists AF> Jane..i.e. at least the unhealthy ones...although it is amazing AF> how many Germans (for example) have travelled to places like AF> Thailand for many years for one purpose only and have never AF> contracted anything (except an empty wallet) despite refusing, AF> or even being requested to, take precautions. ;-) Because it lacks any logic. I have taken care of infants who were premature but otherwise would grow up and be very healthy adults, IF they got the kind of care necessary for them to survive. I have taken care of full term babies who were born to mothers that smoked pot and looked as though they needed to be re-baked. We could do a lot better than your methods. * SLMR 2.1a * Photons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAZ00021Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 04:53pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Adhd AF> I can feel for you but there is no cure for osteo (what is gone is AF> gone) only relief or an artificial joint. If you can get harmless AF> relief (whereby I would claim that anything which kills pain is AF> not harmless or without side-effects) then go ahead. I personally AF> know of no cure for osteoarthritis. Even if bone begins to grow AF> again it would seem that the bone (body) does not seem to remember AF> the original form and this thus usually ends up in a deformation. AF> In this respect I would certainly like to be proven wrong. We shall soon see what the Glucosamine does. I will not have surgery. AF> > AF> Because you yourself are a sufferer it is understandable that you AF> > AF> place a greater accent on relief rather than on a cure..and even AF> > AF> more understandable when an ailment such as osteoarthritis is not AF> > AF> curable. Nevertheless, this is not the way to go for the future, AF> > AF> more effort (i.e. research funds) need to be pumped into prevention AF> > AF> and hence cure (prevention is the only cure) and thus into the AF> > AF> causes of diseases and ailments. Anything is curable if we understand it. That is the first step. AF> > If the Glucosamine lives up to its hype, it will start to heal some of AF> > the damage. AF> I'm pessimistic on this score..but if you are optimistic then that AF> is always a good prerequisite for anything. :-) AF> > AF> This is your opinion....but if you continue to take pain-relief drugs AF> > AF> and antibiotics for the inflammations you have already destroyed your AF> > AF> immune system anyway. AF> > Er, ah, you apparently haven't seen any of my posts where I have AF> > outlined the problems with antibiotics that came from Group Health AF> > prescribing one after another for me. I am now allergic to a couple of AF> > them and will take them only as a last result. That is why I haunt his AF> > kind of conference and why I am trying other things instead. AF> I would claim Jane that when you are talking to me (or the people AF> I represent) you are talking to REAL alternative meds who are also AF> present and strong in your own country. I can not offer you any AF> alternative but an artificial joint (and at your age you have AF> nothing to loose). I appreciate of course your preference for AF> some other solution. I would thus say that if anyone can offer AF> you a better one then hold on as long as you can and try it out. AF> I for one would be the first to listen if it works. AF> > The eventual goal is to get my activity level up again. AF> > My mother-in-law got an artificial hip joint AF> about 5 years ago. he AF> > is now 80, doesn't take any medication for it, AF> does not have any AF> > pain (any more) and is enjoying life to the full. AF> I'm not an AF> > advocate of artificial anything if the condition that AF> caused it an AF> > be prevented in the first place. But once the horse AF> has bolted.... AF> > She is 80. I am 69 and I don't want trouble with the cement or the AF> > drugs. And I know I will have. AF> Can only report that she has no problems at all to date..and she AF> says she would do it again. AF> > JK> > You will just have to understand that we stopped listening to AF> > other JK> > nations a couple of centuries or so ago, and that we insist AF> > upon doing JK> > things our way here now. AF> > AF> Not true Jane. Please stop using the term "we" to mean the U.S.A. AF> > AF> rather than you and perhaps a few others. There are plenty of AF> > AF> good "alternative" researchers and medics in your own country who AF> > AF> no longer suffer from food allergies BTW. AF> > And there are thousands who suffer and don't know it. AF> Would agree there. :-) AF> > AF> > That includes listing food allergies or allergies as a disease AF> > problem. AF> > They are. AF> OK...let's agree to differ and bury the issue. Food allergies..or AF> any allergies...are symptoms to us. People are just not born to AF> be allergic to pollen and untreated vegetables and the excrements AF> of some carpet mite. AF> Alan AF>--- GEcho 1.00 AF> * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) * SLMR 2.1a * If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1)