--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00097Date: 06/26/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 09:48pm \/To: ROYCE SHARP (Read 1 times) Subj: acupuncture Hi Royce, > AF> I'll answer this one: >> After one treatment the pain was gone for one day, then it came back the >> next, but the following day it felt as though I had a cortisone >> shot--WHICH LASTED SIX MONTHS. I did not have to walk with any kind of >> knee support. The pain came back after six months--so I went back and >> had another acupuncture treatment. The pain never came back and >> to this day I have normal range of motion, I can run up and down stairs >> and just do what I want to do. Anyway I went back to my doctor and he >> says my knee is okay (which was pretty obvious). >> Orthodox medicine should NEVER dismiss traditional medicine and should >> permit the patient OPTIONS to use *in conjunction* with standard >> treatment. > AF> He could even have walked on stubs...and felt elated at the > AF> same time..by merely taking morphium. I fail to see any cure here. > Alan, > Your simple reply is both closed minded and naive. If a person is > able to eliminate pain and suffering through a "non-traditional" > method, > there can be nothing wrong with it as long as nobody else suffers as a > result. The outrageous attempt at likening a leg injury treated by > acupuncture with an amputee druging it up on "morphium" shows little or > no belief in anything other than blind faith in "Dr. God Complex." > It is not necessary for you to understand how it works. It is not > necessary for you to be treated with acupuncture. It IS enough for > a person to find relief from the pain. THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!! > If it doesn't work for you, TO BAD! Go to your M.D. and get your > drugs. > Pop those pills & shoot up your veins with all the dope you want. > And when you are on all your drugs and wondering why you are in such > bad shape, let your mind contimplate what COULD have been. I can understand your reaction (heard it all before) which probably stems from the fact that you don't know my views all that well. I am totally against all forms of treatment, i.e. as long as the cause and hence a preventative strategy has not been researched first (and with more funds than are spent on treatments...which do not cure anything). Thus neither acupuncture or morphium address the cause or causes of an ailment. In addition, pain killers in particular often mask or supress a body response (pain or swelling etc.) and thus merely give patients a false sense of security whilst providing a degree of relief (often with other side-effects) rather than any possibility of a cure or at least an improvement. Whilst it is important until a way for the body to cure itself has been found to provide relief to those in severe pain, dowsing the embers of a burnt house will not re-establish that house in all its former glory. And dowsing a house with water containing other agressive substances (i.e. drugs with side-effects) is certainly even more counterproductive in attempting to achieve such a goal. Most people (and hence the researchers providing the pills to meet the demand) spend much more time on cleaning their outsides rather than their insides and place the responsibility for any ailments resulting from this approach in the hands of the docs (or even some ALTMED herbal brew) rather than accept the blame and the responsibility for the situation themselves. Health is much more than the odd vitamin pill and a workout at the gym and eating less animal fats. It is highly dependent in my view (and not only mine) on us living and eating and moving as we used to do (i.e. before fire was discovered) and are hence programmed to do. In other words, living as closely as possible in our different environment to the way the wild animals still do and the way the wild animal "man" used to do. All modern and even less modern successful approaches to prevention and cure (i.e. the body curing itself) would seem to bear this out as they always tend to take one or more of these aspects into consideration. Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00098Date: 06/26/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 10:07pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! Hi Mark (and Jane), > Incidentally, in the European references > JK>I found in the net, it is called Downs Syndrome. > So, the Brits misspell color.. I am NOT impressed. :) The correct spelling is Down's Syndrome (i.e. for both the Brits and our U.S. cousins)..and the correct spelling of "color" is colour..for those with a National Identity Syndrome. ;-) Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00099Date: 06/26/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 10:16pm \/To: TERRY RICKS (Read 1 times) Subj: Virus Hi Terry, You wrote to Jane, > Haven't used an EM in years! I really should admit that viral > studies > aren't my specialty. My graduate studies were in subcellular systems, > ie. > re-combinant DNA and related subjects. This would require a working > knowledge of viruses. My expertise has changed out of necessity these > days > to basic bacteriology and causes of disease, especially gastro- > intestinal disease. Well I have a question for you: Now that it has been "established" that gastric ulcers are "caused" by the bacteria helicobacter pylori, how come we all consume this bacteria but relatively few in comparison develop gastric ulcers? It doesn't matter if you can't answer this question, but there are still a lot of microbiologists around (particularly those who "discovered" the pylori theory and are still bathing in the glory) who still choose to either purposely ignore or even question the credibility of this question. Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00100Date: 06/27/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:02pm \/To: SARAH DURIS (Read 2 times) Subj: Conventional Medicine SARAH DURIS was thinking about Conventional Medicine and keyed into cyberspace: SD>Well, folks, I can see this echo is a dud. I came hear to learn SD>about ALTERNATIVE options. Do any of you people even stop to SD>consider that I may have already considered the more conventional SD>options? I was not born yesterday. I do care about my son which is SD>why I consider *ALL* options. I am a skeptic even as far as SD>alternative medicine is concerned, but especially with conventional SD>medicine. I do not jump into anything, least of all surgery, without SD>weighing my options. I do not believe everything my doctor tells me, SD>without researching it on my own. Unlike some people here, I do not SD>have blind faith in the medical establishment. I am fairly educated SD>and do not feel any need to take anyone's word for it. SD> -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Sarah Duris <=- SD> MP> Is hearing loss a possible result of the surgery? An ENT friend SD> MP> of mine says no. SD>Doctors lie. I am reminded of this every time I step into an office. SD> MP> What is a fact is that the impaired hearing will affect other SD> MP> areas of growth and maturation. SD>I had my son assessed by the local speech and language pathologist a SD>few weeks ago. My son is in the lower end of the range for his age. SD>My son has improved considerably in the last year. The path gave me SD>some materials to work on this summer with my son, and even she SD>agreed that surgery may be unnecessary. SD>SURGERY IS A LAST RESORT!!!!! SD>My son has already been assessed by an ENT who, in turn, is reluctant SD>to go blazing into surgery. My son has already seen an audiologist SD>who confirmed the hearing loss in ONE ear, but not the other. This SD>hearing loss is not permanent. I had the same problem at this age, SD>and while I learned to talk at a much later age than other children, SD>this has not affected my intelligience (I was a gifted child) or my SD>socialization. You would never know the difference talking with me SD>now. SD>If I were truly neglectful, as some of you imply, I would not bother SD>looking into my options. I would not even bother having my son SD>assessed. SD>Since I cannot get the information that I want, and only flames, I SD>guess I will have to learn everything on the street. SD>Don't bother flaming me. I won't be here. I have not, and will, not flamed you. I saw that you appeared to be acting under misinformation. Is it a flame to provide correct information to you? I would hope not. I certainly did not imply that you were neglectful. Just asking the question in the search for help shows that you are not. If you are so sensitive as to not being questioned, I suggest you find a way to toughen up. Parenting special needs kids is not for the weak. I know, I have two. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) Hello All, Can anyone tell me the best way to dry leaves of Mint? Mine end up with black patches all over them (which may be harmless for all I know). Best Wishes, Mark. --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: - (2:441/286) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00101Date: 06/26/97 From: MARK COLE Time: 12:39am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Mint Hello All, Can anyone tell me the best way to dry leaves of Mint? Mine end up with black patches all over them (which may be harmless for all I know). Best Wishes, Mark. --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: - (2:441/286) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00102Date: 06/27/97 From: LAURA THOMAS Time: 12:27am \/To: MELISSA LEVITT (Read 1 times) Subj: sores Melissa, I saw your post about Canker sores. I get them alot. My grandmother took me to a dentist as a kid and he told her to have me rinse my mouth with Phillips Milk of Magnesia. It takes the fire out of the sores and heals them up quick usually within a couple days. The soreness is gone in 24 hours. I brush my teeth and tongue rinse well and then put a tablespoon of M.O.M. in my mouth and swish it around. Then spit it out but dont rinse your mouth or drink for at least a half hour. I usually do it before I go to bed and then I dont drink or rinse at all. That way the medicine works all night Laura --- PCBoard/2 15.30 * Origin: The 128th Parallel Seminole,Fl 28.8k 813/397-1339 (1:3603/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00103Date: 06/27/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 11:29pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Adhd JK>DW>>ago! That new virus(es?) (i?) (what is the correct plural of the JK>DW>>critters?) are hard to find. JK>DW>"viruses" if you are speaking English, "viri", if Latin. JK>Didn't like Latin, will stick to the English. Thanks. One octopus...two octopi. One hippopotamus...two hippopotami. One type of virus...two types of viri. That IS English. Didn't your English teacher hit you across the knuckles with a ruler for saying octopuses? Mine did. My spell checker on this QWKmail reader knows the right spelling, too. I had initially though "virii" was correct..well, it does look better. And it even seems like I've seen that spelling somewhere. But if the general rule applies with these other words it should apply with viri. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00104Date: 06/27/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 10:21pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: lucy MP>SK>Well well, she certainly should have pointed that out...now MP>SK>shouldn't have she? Generally moderators do this when moderating. MP>SK>When they don't point this out that means that they are MP>SK>participating as a human, and not sending down pronouncements MP>SK>from moderator heaven. MP>This is **ALT**MED, and she has an **ALT**MODERATING style. THAT is certainly true. She must be new at this. MP>SK>And SHE sets the topics? That seems rather odd. I've never seen MP>SK>anything like that from a moderator, anywhere, EVER. I certainly MP>SK>would like to see these special echo rules that state such an MP>SK>outrageous thing. If this IS true then my initial comment still MP>SK>stands "Maybe if you posted a *subject* instead of complaining a MP>SK>new thread will evolve". Seeing that she hasn't done so I'd dare MP>SK>say she's not doing her job as you state it to be. MP>In FIDO, the moderator virtually has plenary authority. Why not just MP>accept it? I do. I just haven't gotten an official moderation, yet. Or, maybe I have...but I sure missed it. It certainly would be easy to miss. What I was saying to your contention that the moderator sets the topics of the threads is...that is strange. It would also be a very boring echo if just one person created the topics. You must have meant she determines what is proper subject matter...Got ya. I have no problem with that. I just though she was someone posting to me, like any other person would do...like YOU are doing. If she doesn't follow standard echo conventions it's hardly my fault. I've been on many echoes for several years and I've never seen her style of moderation. The way it goes is a little like this.."Jane Doe, (fill in the blank) echo Moderator" is the key item that tells people= "Hey, I'm moderating here...OBEY!" instead of "hey, here's my opinion". Usually moderators put down their "badge" and engage in discussion or debate then pull it out and display it when becoming Buford Pusser is required. Also, a slight snippet of the rule that was broken is added to serve as a basis for the calling of an offense. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00105Date: 06/28/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 10:46am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: lucy DS>> dominated area. Statements of ethnic or regional import ARE DS>> within the DS>> scope of Altmed, in my opinion, therefore. DS>In your opinion perhaps.....IF they pertain to what the particular DS>ethnic or racial implications have to do with how they use DS>alternative medicine, customs, folk lore, "home" DS>remedies..etc...what I read has nothing to do with any of these DS>things..whether someone is black, green, red or purple or what DS>sexual preferences they practice are not related to anything altmed. Thing is, the point would have just been a short statement in passing if you hadn't kept dragging it on. And, again, the green and purple examples are a VERY racist thing to say...humans of color are not the "rainbow wig guy" at the football game. To state that people of color are equal to being green and purple shows your intrenched racism..as does your adversity to being respectful of people of other races when speaking of them. If this tiny little point can not be touched upon then how can the subject of alternative medicines developed by these people be discussed? "Them jungle bunnies"? DS>Excuse me, Mr. Kemp..but I am the moderator. This is my echo, DS>created by me for the enlightenment and education of everyone. IN DS>the final say so, it is ONLY my opinion that matters. I am a very DS>liberal moderator, perhaps too liberal. I know many fine people DS>have been turned away from this echo by the constant name calling DS>and bickering over issues that had nothing to do with this theme at DS>all. DS>Anyone who does not like the rules here..as in STAY IN THE THEME OF DS>THE ECHO...exit stage left... The proper way to moderate is to put: Dia Spriggs ALTMEDFIDO Moderator at the bottom of a moderation. (as well as short clip of the rule broken, or a short declaration of what was inappropriate). A "I'm not going to take this anymore!" scream is hardly good form. Most anyone that would come across such a post could hardly be expected to think that it was moderation from a moderator. You see, I had no idea that you were the moderator...I thought you were just another person giving their opinion. And, without the "official" moderation entry...you are to be considered so. It's only fair. I'll drop the subject now. I accept you as moderator..now that I know you are it. I'll strive to follow your moderations, if you will allow me to remain. And, if you want me to leave this echo I will. Just ask, and I'm gone. Or you can send mail to my board and have them limit my access. Whichever way you wish. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00106Date: 06/27/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 04:42pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana [2/3] JK>And I'd say that the entire problem with children and those in their JK>early 20's and even the 30's stems from a paper I saw which was JK>written shortly after WWII. It was on file in St. Elizabeths JK>Hospital in D.C. when I was a student nurse there in the late 1940's. JK>The two Navy shrinks who wrote it apparently failed to be busy enough JK>in the South Pacific and had plenty of time to interact with the JK>locals. JK>They became convinced that the culture did a wonderful job with its JK>young and that everyone should be raised that way. So they brought JK>back a method of teaching kids not to compete and turned it loose on JK>a competive society. JK>So the result today is those who are unable to compete must place the JK>blame somewhere else or use some substance in order to attempt to JK>become normal. Much as you are blaming this paper for the downfall of western civilization. Hmmm. I'd dare say that is the most simplistic explanation of a complex problem I've ever seen. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476)