--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00077Date: 06/23/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 11:55pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Abortion Hi Mark, > AF> > AF> A rather poor example because healthy people are totally > AF> > AF> immune to it (the Schick Test easily sorts out those with bad > AF> > AF> immune systems). In addition, the figures for diphtheria in > AF> > AF> Germany show quite clearly that innoculations caused more > AF> > AF> cases of diphtheria up to the time when antibiotics were first > AF> > AF> introduced. Diphtheria innoculation started in Germany in 1925 > AF> > AF> when there were around 40,000 cases per year. The cases > AF> > AF> increased to a peak of nearly 250,000 in 1944 and slowly > AF> > AF> dropped in a constant curve down to around 4 cases per year > AF> > AF> today (Source: Federal Statistical Office in Wiesbaden). Now > AF> > AF> you tell me when antibiotics were first used...and why a > AF> > AF> healthy person should need either innoculations or antibiotics > AF> > AF> against diphtheria? I would be interested in the figures from > AF> > AF> the U.S.A. since 1925 BTW. > AF> > Methinks that it be an mucho excellent example. The proof is in > AF> > your post. Why do we have only 4 cases per year in Germany? > AF> > Innoculations. > AF> You seem to have a bad head for figures Mark. If German innoculation > AF> started in 1925 and there were 40,000 cases...how come the cases > AF> drastically increased to 250,000 in 1944?? > A good question. Hmmm..let's see, what was going on in Germany during > WWII? Oh, a little get together called WWII. Wars have a negative impact The general health of the Germans during WWII was actually better than at any time before! Cases of diphtheria rose steadily up to 250,000 BEFORE WWII. > on the health of people. Diphtheria is a common complication of the > illness of war. I watched plenty of people die from it on two > continents. The curve from 1925 was constant Mark. IOW the war had no effect. > In addition they did not > AF> reach the 1925 level again until 1952? > It takes a while for a country devastated by a World War to spring back. > And it is also interesting > AF> that the figures were on a sharp decrease before the introduction > AF> of innoculations (i.e. from 80,000 in 1920 down to 40,000 in 1925. > Developing ideas about modern cleanliness certainly did help. Here you offer a better explanation. > AF> The German figures for TB show a similar trend. Cases dropped > AF> from 76 per mille (10,000) in 1750 down to 15 per mille in > AF> 1920 (when widespread innoculation first started). Ditto > AF> the figures for the death rate from TB in the UK (a steep > AF> drop from 4000 in 1838 to around 400 in 1954..when BCG > AF> innoculation was used on a wide-scale). > AF> The U.S. statistics tell a similar tale, i.e. that all dangerous > AF> illnesses, whether it be diphtheria or TB or even measles and > AF> whooping cough were on a rapid decline down to almost negligible > AF> BEFORE innoculation was introduced. You ought to read your own > AF> authors, e.g. T. C. Fry, "The Fiendish Fraud Called Immunization", > AF> September 1995. You can then see for yourself that your statistics > AF> tell an entirely different tale to what most people (obviously > AF> including yourself) tend to believe. > I read about Fry somewhere. I'll look him up. Let's see who he is > associating with. He is one of your best nutritionists (because what he said was never refuted by anybody) His books are world renowned (and a must for anybody interested in health over here). Even Spiller acknowledges him as one of the real pioneers in this field. > AF> > In the US every state mandates innoculations for school > AF>attendance. > AF> > Innoculations eliminated small pox. > AF> > Innoculations may eliminate polio by 2005. That is but a half > AF> > century since the initial use of the vaccine. > AF> Innoculations aren't eliminating anything Mark...and causing a lot > AF> of additional problems to boot. I thoroughly recommend you read up > AF> on this. > I did. The CDC and WHO publish excellent factual, non-conspiratorial > material. Don't know about the CDC but the WHO does not tend to provide figures from before innoculation as they also profit from innoculation programs. Whereas I would not dispute that innoculation helps the unhealthy to survive (if they ever come into contact with a disease) I would dispute the approach and the ulterior motive of innoculation (i.e. big business rather than a gain for the population at large). Just as we are aware that the effectiveness of today's antibiotics is almost at an end (with no alternative solution in sight) so should we be aware that all "unnatural" attacks on bacteria and viruses will also speed up their evolution and produce immune strains that much more quickly. Our only answer lies in health rather than some crutch which it is known will backfire. Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00078Date: 06/24/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:03am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Acupuncture Hi Jane, > AF> Quoting a Merck manual from 1972 is not exactly up-to-date info. But > AF> there again, why are you worried about syphilis at all? It is an > AF> almost extinct disease in the western world. The figures have been > AF> plunging (even before antibiotics) over the past century and it has > AF> now all but disappeared (in spite of rather than because of safer > AF> sex practises). > The Merck manual is the only thing I have in print on this one. We > don't see much of it now because of the tests that are given to each > person when admitted to any hospital and to newborn infants. This > nation keeps up its guard against it. > There are some nations, however, who do not. Why are you so against natural selection? > And folks tend to travel further, faster, than they used to do just a > few years back. Natural selection will also eliminate those tawdry sex tourists Jane..i.e. at least the unhealthy ones...although it is amazing how many Germans (for example) have travelled to places like Thailand for many years for one purpose only and have never contracted anything (except an empty wallet) despite refusing, or even being requested to, take precautions. ;-) Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00079Date: 06/24/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:29am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Adhd Hi Jane, > AF> > AF> Such a diet is still effective today in at least RELIEVING the > AF> > AF> effects of osteoarthritis..but it can not cure it. It can and > AF> > AF> does cure many arthritis sufferers, however, and also prevents > AF> > AF> both gout and arthritis. > Whatever I am doing is starting to work. I forgot the aspirin yesterday > when I went to a symposium in Tacoma (on water and the enviornment this > time) and didn't hurt much at all after what I had taken early in the > morning wore off. I can feel for you but there is no cure for osteo (what is gone is gone) only relief or an artificial joint. If you can get harmless relief (whereby I would claim that anything which kills pain is not harmless or without side-effects) then go ahead. I personally know of no cure for osteoarthritis. Even if bone begins to grow again it would seem that the bone (body) does not seem to remember the original form and this thus usually ends up in a deformation. In this respect I would certainly like to be proven wrong. > I credit this to the Glucosamine I am using now. > AF> Because you yourself are a sufferer it is understandable that you > AF> place a greater accent on relief rather than on a cure..and even > AF> more understandable when an ailment such as osteoarthritis is not > AF> curable. Nevertheless, this is not the way to go for the future, > AF> more effort (i.e. research funds) need to be pumped into prevention > AF> and hence cure (prevention is the only cure) and thus into the > AF> causes of diseases and ailments. > If the Glucosamine lives up to its hype, it will start to heal some of > the damage. I'm pessimistic on this score..but if you are optimistic then that is always a good prerequisite for anything. :-) > AF> This is your opinion....but if you continue to take pain-relief drugs > AF> and antibiotics for the inflammations you have already destroyed your > AF> immune system anyway. > Er, ah, you apparently haven't seen any of my posts where I have > outlined the problems with antibiotics that came from Group Health > prescribing one after another for me. I am now allergic to a couple of > them and will take them only as a last result. That is why I haunt this > kind of conference and why I am trying other things instead. I would claim Jane that when you are talking to me (or the people I represent) you are talking to REAL alternative meds who are also present and strong in your own country. I can not offer you any alternative but an artificial joint (and at your age you have nothing to loose). I appreciate of course your preference for some other solution. I would thus say that if anyone can offer you a better one then hold on as long as you can and try it out. I for one would be the first to listen if it works. > The eventual goal is to get my activity level up again. > My mother-in-law got an artificial hip joint AF> about 5 years ago. She > is now 80, doesn't take any medication for it, AF> does not have any > pain (any more) and is enjoying life to the full. AF> I'm not an > advocate of artificial anything if the condition that AF> caused it can > be prevented in the first place. But once the horse AF> has bolted.... > She is 80. I am 69 and I don't want trouble with the cement or the > drugs. And I know I will have. Can only report that she has no problems at all to date..and she says she would do it again. > JK> > You will just have to understand that we stopped listening to > other JK> > nations a couple of centuries or so ago, and that we insist > upon doing JK> > things our way here now. > AF> Not true Jane. Please stop using the term "we" to mean the U.S.A. > AF> rather than you and perhaps a few others. There are plenty of > AF> good "alternative" researchers and medics in your own country who > AF> no longer suffer from food allergies BTW. > And there are thousands who suffer and don't know it. Would agree there. :-) > AF> > That includes listing food allergies or allergies as a disease > problem. > They are. OK...let's agree to differ and bury the issue. Food allergies..or any allergies...are symptoms to us. People are just not born to be allergic to pollen and untreated vegetables and the excrements of some carpet mite. Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00080Date: 06/24/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:34am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Alcohol As An Alternative Hi Jane, > AF> > The problem with humans appears to be that by the time they realize > the > AF> > need to save and invest money, they are too old to enjoy spending t. > AF> > Instead, it goes for medicines and doctor bills :). > AF> Many people here start paying small monthly payments into low-interest > AF> mortgage schemes at an early age (also for their kids) and can thus > AF> get a substantial low-interest and fixed interest loan to buy a new > AF> house or buy and renovate an old house. The cost of land and building > AF> (no wooden houses here and all houses have underground cellars) is > AF> fairly expensive (but a good investment). > Our homes around here are all over $100,000. It is almost impossible (unless you live out in the sticks) to get even a plot of land to build on over here for that price!! After buying that land a cheap house would cost at least another $300,000. Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00081Date: 06/24/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:38am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Alcoholism Hi Jane, > AF> There is a distinct difference between the child of an alcoholic > AF> being endangered (highly possible I would have thought considering > AF> those poor children of parents addicted to heroin etc.) and a > AF> child having a specific genetic pattern which spells alcoholism at > AF> some stage. Even if this latter possibility was proven (we are > AF> still waiting of course and paying researchers to research and > AF> research...) alcoholism would still be a self-inflicted injury. > Father Royce, at Seattle University's Addiction Studies Department, > poses the question of whether or not the disease itself should be > renamed. He long ago encountered with folks such as yourself who must > have definite proof of everthing. > Thank heaven most of England doesn't support that view! The small > office in Whitehall during WWII which dealt with the witches, druids, > and others still practising the ancient religions in the British Isles > would never have been possible in Washington, D.C. Nor would the > alliance between the Masonic Order and those who have kept alive the > ancient knowledge that led Joan of Arc to the Dauphine. > The Allies would not have been able to accurately predict every military > move Hitler was about to make and learn to counter him effectively. Nor > would the chain of telepaths have been set up from England, across the > channel, across Europe, and into wherever he was. > There is much in this world that you cannot see, smell, or taste, Alan. > Living as you do is like eating all food without spices. What do I say to that...other than that you have eloquently deviated from the question. ;-) Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00082Date: 06/24/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 11:35pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Arthritis Hi Jane, > AF> I have reached the conclusion that even today the allopathics still > AF> have no idea at all what a detox is and how it should be done..and > AF> the reasons against doing it their way. The same applies to many > AF> so-called alternative nutrition groups (the most famous being the > AF> microbiotic crowd..who nearly killed themselves before realising > AF> the error of their ways). > It takes more than "Just say no". During the Reagan/Bush years, we had > a trumped up excuse to remove tryptophan from the market at the same > time that North, Poindexter, and Co. were flying cocaine in here from > Central America. (Dateline just had a TV special on this for any > readers who want to fight about this subject, complete with maps and the > California location involved.) > Tryptophan makes it easier for addicts to stay off cocaine during > withdrawal. I don't see the connection with my paragraph which you quoted (??) > JK> > then progressed to adding other food supplements as their use AF> >> was understood. > AF> Food supplements? Why should we need food "supplements"? > BECAUSE WE GET OUR FOOD FROM SEVERAL THOUSAND MILES AWAY FROM WHERE IT > IS CONSUMED! We don't grow our own here anymore, not enough to feed all > of our people. Beef comes from one place, chickens from another, orange > juice from Florida or CA. > And it suffers in transit. There are plenty of reputable suppliers of good, organic, wholesome, untainted and fresh products over here...who can supply within 24 hours. In addition, many organic farms sell straight from the barn. > WE ARE TURNING OUR BEST FARMLAND INTO INSTANT URBAN SLUMS! The question is...what type of farmland are you thinking of? > JK> > Most of this is dietary. I have one diet for hypoglycemia from > Cabrini JK> > Hospital in Seattle that was the first sort prescribed as > many newly JK> > recovering alcoholics are reactive hypoglycemics. > That will correct JK> > itself in most cases if they follow the diet and > then get into A.A. JK> > and/or treatment. Essentially, no sugar > or processed foods with sugar in them, 4-6 small JK> > meals a day > instead of the one large meal most of them ate while JK> > drinking, > lots of fruit juices, and no sweets such as pie. No coffeee JK> > either > or pop with caffeine in it. > AF> Whilst this would certainly be a step in the right direction..what > AF> else are they "allowed" to eat and why are they allowed to consume > AF> gluten foods? > They are encouraged to eat fresh fruits and vegetables. Lately we have > learned about other foods. Not everyone is allergic to gluten foods, > incidently. Some folks tolerate wheat very well. Whereas gluten allergies do exist (after all it is a protein) this is only a minor problem. The gluten itself is the problem and ALL people suffer (even though they don't immediately realise it or are immediately aware of it) from the consumption of gluten. It sticks like glue to the intestinal villi and hinders the uptake of nutrients. Ailments such as coeliac in children or sprue in adults are not due to an allergy to gluten but due to eating too much of the stuff in the first place. This is why the macrobiotic crowd (heavy on grains) nearly killed themselves before they realised the dangers of gluten. > JK> > Later foods which stimulate the production of specific > neurotransmitters JK> > were advocated when it was learned that the > variation in the Alpha and JK> > REM brain waves could be "fixed" on a > daily basis by elevation of them. JK> > They would be Dopamine, > Norephinephrine, Serotonin, and GABA. Because JK> > we try to ELEVATE > the low levels of Serotonin usually found in both JK> > alcoholics and > Bipolar individuals, the use of a drug such as Prozac JK> > which will > LOWER the level of Serotonin receptors in the brain, is JK> > > counterindicated by our better psychiatrists. > JK> > This chart should help: > JK> > Amino Acid Neurochemical Effects > AF> Most natural foods contain even all of the above essentials Jane... > Once again, our supermarkets get food from Mexico, Argentina, Florida, > Austrailia, and other places, not from around here. The quality of our > food has been found to be deteriorating in research projects for some > time now. Amino acids don't deteriorate unless cooked Jane. > And no, I don't have them. I don't find it necessary to keep evidence > of what is generally known around here. > AF> People who regularly take sleeping pills sleep just as well > AF> when the doc gives them a placebo for a couple of months in > AF> between (same shape, size and color of course). Tryptophan > AF> is thus not the answer to sleep just as dopamine is not > AF> the answer to wellbeing or phenylalanine to energy and > AF> alertness. It would be nice if it were that simple. > Alan, what works, works. And all of the ranting and raving to the > contrary isn't going to change the mind of anyone who has learned what > does work for them. Tobacco and alcohol also "work" for the people who use them. And tryptophan may work merely in the same way that a pierced voodoo doll can kill a believer. If sleeplessness were merely due to a lack of tryptophan (which is rare even on a "normal" diet) then we could all throw away the sleeping pills (we not meaning me of course) and adjust our diets accordingly. The worst enemy of sleep is worrying about it. IOW..if you can't sleep stay awake. Sooner or later your body will take what sleep it needs. Sleep labs have shown time and again that as soon as a person is deprived of a clock and a means of differentiating between day and night (including patients who complain of sleeplessness), they will quickly get into a proper sleep routine. IOW it is stupid to say I need eight hours and I have to get up a 6 p.m. so I need to retire at 10 a.m. It is also stupid to eat within four hours of sleeping..or to drink within two hours of sleeping. Problem is...many tend to do just that. Many take anything up to an hour to get to sleep (an hour is a hell of a long time if you are lying in bed awake) and it is these people in particular (i.e. those that go to bed at a set time rather than when they are tired) who complain of sleeplessness. What they do not realise is that it is quite possible for an adult to have only two hours of quality sleep which is just as (and perhaps even more refreshing) than an 8 hour stretch. The body regulates the amount of sleep it needs itself. Then we have those who worry that they are not getting enough sleep during the week and then try and compensate by "sleeping in" at the weekend. This is about the worse thing than anyone can do..and thes people keep doing it despite feeling as if they have been keelhauled after sleeping in. > WE DON"T HAVE A DECENT SOURCE OF FOOD IN THIS NATION. Then why not create your own (in your own garden or in a rented allotment)? Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00083Date: 06/24/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 11:37pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Asthma' Contrib [1/2] Hi Jane, > AF> It would certainly seem that asthma is a nervous complaint in the > AF> first instance..and that both family circumstances and even hormonal > AF> imbalances can play a role here. > Only to someone with your data base, Alan. Not from the databases Jane...but from Bruker..who is curing asthma patients (i.e. rather than treating them). ;-) Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00084Date: 06/25/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:23am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Blackouts; Peter Duseberg Hi Mark, > AF> > I have met Dr. Duesberg. I was with a doctor friend of mine who is > AF> > head of AIDS research and treatment at a large teaching hospital > AF> > near my home. Duesberg had several of his "patients" with him. > AF> > They claimed to be AIDS free. He agreed. > AF> > There was no question that he is either a lieing bastard or > AF> > totally blind. These people had numerous skin lesions which are > AF> > virtually pathoneumonic for AIDS. They showed advanced body > AF> > wasting and had virtually no body fat. > AF> The question is...when did Duesberg start treating them? It has > AF>already been demonstrated (also in your country) that AIDS sufferers > AF>who merely believe that AIDS is not fatal actually live longer than > AF>those treated with medication (and some are still alive I believe). > Two were on the three drug cocktail and doing well. Gaining weight. More > energy. However, they were convinced by that bastard that they were > hurting themselves. Duesberg was NOT the person who demonstrated that the belief that AIDS is not fatal actually prolongs the life of AIDS victims. My company has also recently got FDA approval for yet another AIDS treatment. And that it what it is...a treatment. There is no way that AIDS can be cured other than by the body itself. In the case of unhealthy people from the word go..the only answer to the virus is a vaccine (and who is researching on one with company funding?). Medication never cured anybody of anything Mark (if you think this is not true than name an example..and please don't mention antibiotics, which are natural but which are also now causing their own specific and extremely serious problems). > I have seen enough people die in my lifetime to know someone is going to > be dead shortly. Both of these patients had the aura of death. One > appeared to be totally devoid of any subcutaneous fat. The other one > nearly so. I have seen people starve to death. They looked similar. > Both had skin lesions. These are rather emotional statements. It remains true that there are people who survive an AIDS infection just as there are people who survive a cancer (although only without any form of allopathic treatment). That these people are a minority is understandable considering that good health is also a minority characteristic of most humans today. It is sad, however, that such people are generally dismissed by the allopaths as "freaks of Nature". > AF> > I am certain that Duesberg is murdering these people. > AF> If this guy (or anybody) manages to prolong the lives of AIDS > AF> sufferers longer than current medicine then they can not be called > AF> murderers. Even the pharma industry which still is not so successful > AF> can not be called murderers. How can you call anyone who is trying > AF>to do something against an otherwise fatal disease a murderer? The > AF> murderers are those who choose to pump more money into applied > AF> research (OK for the pharma industry but not for a government) > AF> rather than basic research on the actual causes. > He is not prolonging any lives. He is doing the lecture circuit. For $$. Could you live by doing the lecture circuit for nothing? I did it myself about 5 years ago (two evenings a week in 4 hour bouts for approx. $ 300 per person and around 50 people altogether). They were obese and had tried all diets there were to try and spent fortunes on them. I got their weight down to normal within 6 months at most with no yo-yo effect. The course was so popular (with no advertising except word of mouth) that I could have kept it going in different locations ad infinitum. I literally became a local celebrity (when all I was doing was teaching something that I had learned from others and practised successfully on myself (and I was only 20 pounds overweight when I started!). I still get phone calls even today from people wanting help. What I do is refer them to the Natural Hygiene Society. If you think about how much I could have earned then you will quickly realise that I could have soon been a millionaire. My conscience was the trigger to denying myself this road to fortune. After all, I was merely repeating "the word" that a non-profit-making organisation was attempting to do and which was (and still is) using any profits to support alternative research projects. Duesberg is doing exactly the same (although he has no choice but to keep doing it as he is spreading his own word). > AF> > As for his"research" it has been totally debunked. You just have > AF> > to look for the documents and understand how he is playing with > AF> > your mind. Do a web search on Duesberg. Read everything. I did. > AF> So did I..and it has not yet been debunked. By whom? > I did an ALTAVISTA search about a year ago. There were several sites > with files showing how he's been debunked. There is nobody as yet who has "SUCCESSFULLY" debunked him. He would not have an audience at all if this were so. > If you have MEDLINE access, check there. Yes I have MEDLINE...obviously..and there is no convincing evidence here either. I am more convinced (particularly due to the lack of funds directed at a vaccine or even at basic research on the cause) that AIDS is developing into just as lucrative a "treatment" industry as cancer etc.. The pharmaceutical industry is not interested in saving lives...merely in selling pills and preparations. ne can not sell these things to healthy people. Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00085Date: 06/25/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:33am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Cancer Hi Jane, > AF> If we are taking about cancer..I will give you any sources you like > AF> on what I say on this subject. I do sometimes say that "I believe" > AF> or "I am convinced" merely because the sources (which you can have) > AF> are also not yet certain. Cancer..as I'm sure you are aware..is still > AF> a problem not yet solved. OTOH, the incidence of cancers is on the > AF> increase..and Jane does not offer any explanation or theory as to > AF> why whatsoever. > So is the incidence of new viruses such as the Ebola, Alan. > How do you explain that? Whereas it is common knowledge that the excessive use of antibiotics has increased the evolution rate of bacteria (and hence the speed of acquired immunity to antibiotics), this does not appear to be the case with Ebola. It is known to be a disease which "sometimes" affects and decimates chimpanzee populations (Jane Goodall) even though the source is still not known. It is also known that the disease only broke out in a population which is known to eat chimps as an (unnatural) food source. Knowledge to date would thus indicate that it is unnatural and even downright dangerous for humans to eat chimps. Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00086Date: 06/25/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:44am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: lucy Hi Mark, > AF> > I am Jewish. You are so wrong. I wish you were right. But you are > AF> > not. One group of Orthodox Rabbis just declared my brand of > AF> > Judaism, non- Judaism. Is THAT cohesive? > AF> He knows just about as much about the Jews as he does about Marxism, > AF> Communism and homosexuals. ;-) > Alan, could you email me? No need I think. I have stopped corresponding with Wayne..as I indicated in a former post. Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5)