--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00017Date: 06/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 01:31am \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: clinical trials AF> The only trouble is....I doubt whether we will ever reach a AF> consensus because ALTMED in the U.S.A. seems more based on AF> supplements and herbal preparations (i.e. a quasi allopathic AF> approach) rather than on prevention and on roads to gaining AF> (or regaining) health and wellbeing. As long as people AF> (including some purported ALTMED followers) fail to realise AF> that no pill or preparation in the world (whatever its contents) AF> will in any way help in reaching these goals..there will be AF> discrepancies and argumentation within the ranks of ALTMED AF> followers. Wild animals don't need...and have never needed.. AF> pills and preparations and nor do they have any use for AF> mega-expensive diagnostic equipment. Your perception of reality is just that.......yours. * SLMR 2.1a * All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00018Date: 06/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 02:25am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: FDA Acts MP>MU>wrote to the FDA to protest the removal of tryptophan from the open MP>MU>market. It wasn't tryptophan that did the damage: it was MP>MU>contamination. MP>It wasn't contamination. It was blind faith in an "oriental" product MP>where there was little, if any, quality control. MP>Did you get to read the story early this year about the Chinese herbal MP>medicine that was widely distributed in China that was laced with HIV? And did YOU know that in the case of the BCG vaccine for TB that one bad batch got through? This resulted in the vaccine not being used by many doctors. It is used in other countries and by our BIA clinics. There was also one bad batch of polio vaccine that got through but this did not stop the production of the vaccine. It did lead to that which is swallowed instead. Trytophan is produced in other places besides China. I have always thought it very strange that the same president who pardoned North for bringing in drugs would ban the one thing that was claimed to work a miracle in detoxing patients from that same drug. * SLMR 2.1a * --T-A+G-L-I+N-E--+M-E-A+S-U-R+I-N-G+--G-A+U-G-E-- - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00019Date: 06/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 01:36am \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Fever Can Kill AF> > AF> > told me to leave foods with gluten alone. AF> > AF> You could have saved your money and time....I told you that months AF> > AF> ago. ;-) I didn't think that ten or 15 dollars was a huge amount at the time. AF> What do you mean by "essential oils"? I presume unsaturated fats AF> together with the fat soluble vitamins they contain. If so, AF> nothing wrong with that advice if you are down on A, D, E or K. AF> Better to get them from the fats (also good for your joints) AF> than in pills..that's for sure. I'm still trying to learn this, something about GLA content. I know that if I eat some flax seed, take Oil of Evening Primrose, and get some olive oil and salmon oil (in fish) that I am doing very well. Something is working as the knees feel a lot better some days. * SLMR 2.1a * This tagline is umop apisdn - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00020Date: 06/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 01:57am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana [2/3] SK>JK>Good use of common sense. We have more than enough teenagers using SK>JK>the stuff now. We don't need any stamp of approval on this noxious SK>JK>weed at all. SK>Yeah, so lets have people suffer so that parents can be free of SK>responsibility. Please! I'd dare say that the casual use of marijuana is SK>partly responsible to the laziness of parents...and the false and SK>misleading "information" given to kids about pot has made them SK>suspicious of ANY information given them about ANY drug. After all, the SK>kids will think, if their gonna lie to me about this...they might very SK>well lie to me about that. Truth is a GOOD thing, lies are ALWAYS bad. And I'd say that the entire problem with children and those in their early 20's and even the 30's stems from a paper I saw which was written shortly after WWII. It was on file in St. Elizabeths Hospital in D.C. when I was a student nurse there in the late 1940's. The two Navy shrinks who wrote it apparently failed to be busy enough in the South Pacific and had plenty of time to interact with the locals. They became convinced that the culture did a wonderful job with its young and that everyone should be raised that way. So they brought back a method of teaching kids not to compete and turned it loose on a competive society. So the result today is those who are unable to compete must place the blame somewhere else or use some substance in order to attempt to become normal. * SLMR 2.1a * We all live in a yellow subroutine. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00021Date: 06/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 01:59am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: Marijuana [2/3] [01/15] AV>Right. It is prudent to remain as ignorant as possible so that AV>those who have invested careers and money and reputations in AV>proclaiming the virtues of prohibition can avoid being faced AV>with facts contrary to their emotional, "reefer madness" assertions. AV>As evidenced by the demonstrated harm and failure of Prohibition I AV>with respect to alcohol, we certainly don't want any evidence to AV>weaken Prohibition II. Accurate information might succeed in AV>adversely influencing the mass of people who refuse to learn from AV>the lessons of Prohibition I. Just one little thing wrong with thise theory............kids who start out with pot and alcohol end up in mental units for treatent of cocaine and ampetamine problems at the tender age of 20-22 in many cases. I've taken the histories of several of them around here. * SLMR 2.1a * My reality check just bounced. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00022Date: 06/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 02:27am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 1 times) Subj: marijuana/men breast canc SK>It's not illegal in California if you need it for medical purposes. The SK>small amount needed to ease the ill effects of chemo-therpy when smoked SK>is hardly harmful to the lungs or ones health, either. So, I'd dare say SK>Gayle is all wet on all counts. SK>Well, eating it is O.K. Although the *buzz* is a little long lasting. SK>Thus, why over medicate. This is the same reason that I'm against SK>Marinol. A couple of hits off a joint is preferable to taking a pill SK>because it can be done as needed and give immediate relief of nausea. Are you then saying you are defending your drug of choice? * SLMR 2.1a * Photons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00023Date: 06/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 02:44am \/To: MELISSA LEVITT (Read 1 times) Subj: sores ML>I haven't been in here in a while (busy, you know how it is), and I Nice to see you back. ML>anyone reply to a post like that? My sister is having a major case of ML>hives and the doctor believes she is allergic to something within ML>herself which could possibly be related to the canker sores. Apparently ML>her hives show up at the same time that she gets canker sores. I think mine are related to allergies, not a virus. I also get them from the plates at times. They go away overnight when I put a small amount of tincture of merthiolate (not supposed to be used for this, it is sold as a topical remedy for cuts) which may mean that there is an organism involved at times. I saw a nutirtionist at one time who recommended using a rotation diet for my allergies....the theory being that if an offending group of foods is used only once if four days most problems can be minimized. I followed that for awhile, then slid into eating what i thought was good for me. There are plenty of books on rotation diet and other means of dealing with allergies if that is a contributing factor. * SLMR 2.1a * Hello, I am part number **************** - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00024Date: 06/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 03:00am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! MP>has written much since she found a nutritional treatment for MP>JK>her daughters' Down Syndrome. MP>Since I do not sell it, like she does, I have no need to write that MP>tripe. She doesn't sell all of the preparations I read about from the parent group which produces the list server I had at one time. So that one won't hold much water at all. I got a private note from an eminent person who lurks here telling me that he will not get into a personal discussion with you (or anyone else) where he will get into the likes of your notes to me. It goes into detail about dietary barriers invloved in the prevention and treatment of obesity in Down Syndrome. The reference is: J Amer Diet Assoc 1996 DEC;96(12) : 1262-1267 "Design Dietary intake was determined from parent-reported 3-day diet records for children with Down Syndrome and control subjects. Energy intake was compared with energy expenditure measured by the doubly labled mater method. Body composition was determined by deuterium dilution, bioelectrical impedance analysis, and skinfold thickness measurements. Subjects/setting Ten prepubescent children with Down syndrome and 10 control subjects were recruited from the hospital community. The study was conducted in the Clinical Research Center of the University of Chicago Medical Center. Main outcome measures nutrient intakes were compared with the Recommended Dietary Allowances (RDAs) to estimate risk for nutrient deficiency. Fat-free mass values determined by bioelectrical impedance analysis and measurement of skinfold thicknesses were compared with values determined using the deuterium dilution method. Statistical analysis performed Unpaired t tests were used for comparisons between subject groups and the Wilcoxon signed-rank test was used for comparison of nutrient intakes with the RDAs. Results The subjects with Down syndrome were significantly shorter (P<.01) than control subjects; however, body composition did not differ between the groups. Reported energy intake was lower in subjects with Down syndrome. In addition, several micronutrients were consumed, especially among nonobese subjects with Down syndrome, at less than 80% of the RDA. Applications To avoid lowering already inadequate intakes of several vitamins and minerals, we suggest that treatment of obesity in children with Down syndrome combine a balanced diet without energy restriction, vitamin and mineral supplementation, and increased physical activity. The person who sent this to me doesn't care to get involved with those whose only goal is to be right. I consider that a compliment. * SLMR 2.1a * Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00025Date: 06/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 03:02am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! MP>Why Bob, I am truly shocked. You mean Jane is relying on a discredited MP>person? Amazing. I am shocked. Do see the post today with the information from the J Amer Diet Assoc. Just why was the man discredited? Was it because he had the balls to stand up for what he believes in against those who don't believe in remedial diets? * SLMR 2.1a * On a clear disk you can seek forever - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAY00026Date: 06/17/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 02:09am \/To: TERRY RICKS (Read 1 times) Subj: Virus TR> Haven't used an EM in years! I really should admit that viral studies TR>aren't my specialty. My graduate studies were in subcellular systems, ie. TR>re-combinant DNA and related subjects. This would require a working TR>knowledge of viruses. My expertise has changed out of necessity these ays TR>to basic bacteriology and causes of disease, especially gastro-intestinal TR>disease. My position at San Antonio College is Adjunct Faculty (meaning TR>part-time). My full-time "day job" is a supervisor at the San Antonio Metro TR>Health dept. Div. of Food and Environmental Services: I'm a Sanitarian, TR>supervising other Sanitarians whose jobs are to inspect restaurants, grocery TR>stores, etc. Part of my job is serving as the Division microbiologist, nd TR>primary investigator of food borne illness complaints. Kinda like being in the trenches or on the front line of modern medicine. * SLMR 2.1a * We all live in a yellow subroutine. - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1)