--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAT00002Date: 06/23/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 05:49am \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: ADD etc. WAYNE YOUNG was thinking about ADD etc. and keyed into cyberspace: WY> -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Wayne Young <=- WY> WY> WY> WY>Very valid points, Jane. WY> WY> WY> WY>"You are what you eat" applies to ADD too. WY> WY> WY> MP> Never has, never will. WY> WY> WY>Did you ever think about that before you spew it out? WY> WY> WY>If you ask me nicely, I'll tell you the facts, as up-to-date WY> WY> WY>as last week. But your pride will not allow that. WY> WY> WY> MP> ===>The Voice of Reason<=== WY> WY> WY>Blindly opinionated hot air! WY> WY> WY> MP> OK, post the facts. Any scientifically valid research WY> WY> MP> published in a juried journal acceptable to the medical WY> WY> MP> community will do. I'll make it easy: WY> WY> WY> MP> Name of Journal: WY> WY> MP> Author(s): WY> WY> MP> Volume: WY> WY> MP> Page: WY> WY> WY>That wouldn't do you any good, after all, you already saw WY> WY>"thousands" of them as you said; you wouldn't understand it. WY> WY>I'll do this much for you though, because I want your son to WY> WY>get better; I'll summaries it for you, for easy digest. WY> WY>But you have to do better than Alan, you have to read it coolly WY> WY>and think about it before you spew back saying it doesn't work, WY> WY>like Alan did on another post about virus, ok? WY> WY> WY>DIET improves a medical/bodily condition by changing the body's WY> WY>chemistry to bring about a biochemical equilibrium. WY> WY>The basic life energy has 2 functional expressions which WY> WY>influence and control the physical matters. These 2 subenergies WY> WY>control among others the body functions and have to be kept in WY> WY>balance for optimal functioning of the biological systems. The WY> WY>endocrine glands whose hormones control every body function WY> WY>would then be in top condition. These 2 subenergies are called WY> WY>"yin and yan" in the Chinese medicine - the life energy "Chi". WY> WY>The Chinese try to manipulate them with the help of accupuncture, WY> WY>yoga, and with DIET. Modern science call yin and yan as antropy WY> WY>and ectropy, electron and positron, or simply matter and WY> WY>antimatter. WY> WY> - E Frauendorfer, PhD, Calf., USA WY> MP> Wayne, I have often stated that I prefer to read original WY>studies. I WY>You already read "thousands" of originals as you said, what have you WY>learned from them? Did you read the above in earnest? Did you WY>understand it? What was the main point? Provide the original. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAT00003Date: 06/23/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 05:51am \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: Adhd WAYNE YOUNG was thinking about Adhd and keyed into cyberspace: WY> -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Wayne Young <=- WY> WY> MP> We know Jane's. Debunked salescritters, boxes of uncataloged WY> WY> MP> papers, and a nursing education in the 1940's. WY> WY> WY>And she still has the vigor and spirits to share at 69! WY> WY> MP> So, what is your experience with ADHD? Got any? If you really WY> MP> want to shut me up, a straight answer works best. WY>I did give you the straight answer, WY>but you wouldn't shut up, nor would you see straight. You have never directly answered any question of mine. Try it, it may be refreshing. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAT00004Date: 06/23/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 05:51am \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Genetic Religion??!! WAYNE YOUNG was thinking about Re: Genetic Religion??!! and keyed into cyberspace: WY> -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Dia Spriggs <=- WY> DS>Could you be a little more specific? Unfortunately I've been WY> DS>having a lot of minor crisis and have not been following the echo WY> DS>as I should be...religion as such is a personal choice and not a WY> DS>subject that I want discussed in altmed. WY> MP> I was referring to Wayne Young's persistent use of the WY> MP> perjorative term "queer" and other homophobic comments. YOU had WY> MP> declared homosexuality to be off topic, and I was honoring WY> MP> that. He did not stop. WY>I see YOU stopped it intelligently, with "honor"? WY>Here's a lollipop, suck on it. It's better than your lithium WY>medication. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAT00005Date: 06/23/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:33am \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: Genetic Religion??!!!! WAYNE YOUNG was thinking about Genetic Religion??!!!! and keyed into cyberspace: WY> -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Dia Spriggs <=- WY> MP> Dia, would you tolerate the use of nigger, kike, bitch (as a WY> MP> substitute for woman), dago, wop, kraut, etc.? If not, then why WY> MP> do you tolerate the use of the word queer? WY>A queer is not a bitch unless you choose to be. WY>A queer is a homosexual in common usage; they are WY>interchangeable, in fact they are the same in _every_ way. WY>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 WY>--- Maximus 3.01 WY> * Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver, B.C., Canada (1:153/7715) WY> ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAT00006Date: 06/23/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 05:42am \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: lucy WAYNE YOUNG was thinking about lucy and keyed into cyberspace: WY>If wild claims are intelligent dialogues, you won. WY>You can carry on by yourself without me from now on. WY>I can teach a 10-year old child much more in the same time frame WY>and getting back more positive responses. One final word, as this has been declared off topic. I belong Reform Judaism, one of the three major branches. One organization, comprised mainly of Orthodox rabbis, has declared **Reform** Judaism to not be a valid form of Judaism. Judaism, like Christianity, has its various groups. It is not monolithic. I hope this explains it for you. If not, email me and I'll try again. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAT00007Date: 06/22/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 08:39pm \/To: SARAH DURIS (Read 2 times) Subj: Surgery SARAH DURIS was thinking about Surgery and keyed into cyberspace: SD> -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Sarah Duris <=- SD> JK> If he looses the hearing in one ear, and then gets fluid in the SD> JK> other ear, then what? SD>Hearing loss from fluid is not permanent, since children outgrow it. SD>Hearing loss from surgery is permanent. Is hearing loss a possible result of the surgery? An ENT friend of mine says no. What is a fact is that the impaired hearing will affect other areas of growth and maturation. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAT00008Date: 06/23/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 03:12pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: Adhd MP>Identification of new virus is no piece of cake. Yeah, you have to hold them down and stamp "NEW" on their tiny widdle forehead. If it were a piece of cake...multi colored frosting would suffice. :-P --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAT00009Date: 06/23/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 03:09pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: lucy MP>SK>DS>Where is the Altmed thread here? Is there any Jewish, Russian MP>SK>DS>or any other mention of such alternative medicine? If you MP>SK>DS>want to talk about non altmed things, please use email. MP>SK>Still, alternative medicine is generally not a white american male MP>SK>dominated area. Statements of ethnic or regional import ARE within MP>SK>the scope of Altmed, in my opinion, therefore. Maybe if you MP>SK>posted a *subject* instead of complaining a new thread will MP>SK>evolve. Or is it up to everyone else to entertain and/or inform MP>SK>you? MP>Dia is the moderator of the conference, and she sets the topics, and MP>declares what is off topic. Perhaps she'll upload the Rules for MP>everyone to review. Well well, she certainly should have pointed that out...now shouldn't have she? Generally moderators do this when moderating. When they don't point this out that means that they are participating as a human, and not sending down pronouncements from moderator heaven. And SHE sets the topics? That seems rather odd. I've never seen anything like that from a moderator, anywhere, EVER. I certainly would like to see these special echo rules that state such an outrageous thing. If this IS true then my initial comment still stands "Maybe if you posted a *subject* instead of complaining a new thread will evolve". Seeing that she hasn't done so I'd dare say she's not doing her job as you state it to be. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAU00000Date: 06/19/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 10:45pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Adhd Hi Jane, > AF> Actually I was (purposely) using a dictionary definition there ("Pons" > AF> which is one of the best and based on the Collins English Medical > AF> Dictionary) to press a point. The medical profession talks about > AF> "a group of symptoms" but not about one or more CAUSES. They are > AF> simply not interested in the causes as this would leave them with > AF> nobody to treat. Simply said I know...but that's the way it is. > The folks who concentrate on CAUSES are those who develop the vaccines, > Alan. Such as Jonas Saulk. The statistics (including those of the U.S.A....read Sagan, for example) tell an entirely different tale about the effectiveness of vaccines Jane. Why not, for example, get hold of a pack of DTP (diptheria, tetanus and pertussis) vaccine and read the little slip of paper describing the contents. Among the ingredients are: Mercury: A toxic heavy metal known to cause severe salivation, brain cell destruction, feeblemindedness, Alzheimer's (most probably), toxic dementia, insanity and death. Aluminum: Destroys brain cells and becomes part of the replacement for them through a process known as ossification. Formaldehyde: A toxic substance used as a wood preservative. It is toxic to human, bacteria and yeast cells (incl. brain and nerve cells). Caustic soda Also known as sodium hydroxide or lye arid or DRAIN-0. Capable of destroying both animal and plant cells on contact (incl. brain and nerve cells) Muriatic acid A synthetic version of hydrochloric acid. This acid is designed to quickly destroy enzyme systems and living protein entering the stomach. Can you imagine what it does when injected into the bloodstream? DTP has been indicated as causing or leading to: - Nodules and abcesses - Mental retardation with learning disabilities - Epileptic fits - Sexual aberrancy Certainly not something I would like injected into my loved ones to protect them against a disease which, statistically, they have little chance of contracting anyway. Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAU00001Date: 06/19/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 10:52pm \/To: HOLLY CAHILL (Read 1 times) Subj: Allergies Hi Holly, > AF> RESEARCH > AF> > TO BACK IT UP, EXCEPT FOR A THOUSAND YEARS OF LIVING WITH THESE > AF> PEOPLE. > AF> > (sorry, couldn't resist that....) > AF> > AF> No problem Holly...let it out!! :-) So what did your daughter say > AF> to my quotation from Brukert?? > AF> > Ummm....I lost it???? Sorry, 'bout that. I've been saving mail for > over a week, looking for time to answer. (and she's my older sister, > not my daughter!) Could have sworn you were talking about your daughter. Oh well, never mind. > Unfortunately, she's anti technology (her husband is > an elected "Green" in Zurich...one of the few who didn't lose his seat), > and although he has a 'pooter for those reasons, they don't have > internet or even fido...so we don't keep in touch as we should. Bet her husband has Internet (and even an Intranet) at work though. I would be very surprised if a politician (in Switzerland) does not have access to this net at least. > She thinks her kids would become to involved > in cyberspace and lose touch with humanity. I sometimes get the feeling that kids who do not (or are not allowed to) become involved will probably loose touch with reality. ;-) Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5)