--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAS00001Date: 06/21/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 05:23pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! JANE KELLEY was thinking about Ultimate Jane-ism! and keyed into cyberspace: JK>Dixie Lawrence-Tafoya has been on TV, So have I. has lectured to many parent's JK>groups, So have I. has written much since she found a nutritional treatment for JK>her daughters' Down Syndrome. Since I do not sell it, like she does, I have no need to write that tripe. Incidentally, in the European references JK>I found in the net, it is called Downs Syndrome. So, the Brits misspell color.. I am NOT impressed. :) JK>I am going to forward to you the notes I have on the subject on file. Got them. Mostly meaningless. JK>You can be wrong, Mark, dead wrong. There is no reason why these JK>children have to grow up and become brain damaged at all if their JK>parents feed them what they need from birth on. Their die was cast at conception. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAS00002Date: 06/16/97 From: TERRY RICKS Time: 08:27pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Virus > I hope you jump in again if there are future posts on the virus and how > it can or cannot be detected. Most of us do not have electron > microscopes around the house or at work and we don't know the first > thing about them. Haven't used an EM in years! I really should admit that viral studies aren't my specialty. My graduate studies were in subcellular systems, ie. re-combinant DNA and related subjects. This would require a working knowledge of viruses. My expertise has changed out of necessity these days to basic bacteriology and causes of disease, especially gastro-intestinal disease. My position at San Antonio College is Adjunct Faculty (meaning part-time). My full-time "day job" is a supervisor at the San Antonio Metro Health dept. Div. of Food and Environmental Services: I'm a Sanitarian, supervising other Sanitarians whose jobs are to inspect restaurants, grocery stores, etc. Part of my job is serving as the Division microbiologist, and primary investigator of food borne illness complaints. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue BBS 210-533-5668 San Antonio, TX (1:387/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAS00003Date: 06/21/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 06:59pm \/To: STEPHEN BOWYER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Genetic Religion??!!!! > WY> sooner the better! You should stop talking to me now, I > can't help I think you both should stop talking to one another...NOW....if you want to continue these name calling childish arguments..take it to email... --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAS00004Date: 06/22/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:20am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Acupuncture ALAN FLETCHER was thinking about Acupuncture and keyed into cyberspace: AF> Hi Jane, AF> > AF> What the dickens are you talking about? I was not talking AF> > AF> about what syphilis can do (common knowledge) but merely AF> > AF> stating that it is an opportunistic ailment (as with all AF> > AF> bacterial ailments) and also that it is no threat to a health AF> > AF> person. Why you continue to bend mails to your own ends is AF> > AF> beyond me (only a confirmed allopath in an ALTMED echo would AF> > AF> attempt to do that). AF> > And once again, Alan, I do hope that you never ever prove me right AF> > by contacting tertiary syphillis. Jane, no one can contract tertiary syphilis. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAS00005Date: 06/22/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:44am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 2 times) Subj: Adhd STEVE KEMP was thinking about Adhd and keyed into cyberspace: SK>JK>Mark, this contradicts what you said above and is essentially the SK>JK>same damn thing that the researcher at Swedish Hospital told me SK>JK>several years ago! That new virus(es?) (i?) (what is the correct SK>JK>plural of the critters?) are hard to find. SK>Considering that new virii are found nearly every year with new flu SK>strains I find that laughable. Identification of new virus is no piece of cake. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAS00006Date: 06/22/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:48am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: lucy STEVE KEMP was thinking about Re: lucy and keyed into cyberspace: SK>DS>Where is the Altmed thread here? Is there any Jewish, Russian or SK>DS>any other mention of such alternative medicine? If you want to SK>DS>talk about non altmed things, please use email. SK>You'd have to quote for anyone to know what this pertains to. SK>Still, alternative medicine is generally not a white american male SK>dominated area. Statements of ethnic or regional import ARE within SK>the scope of Altmed, in my opinion, therefore. Maybe if you posted a SK>*subject* instead of complaining a new thread will evolve. Or is it SK>up to everyone else to entertain and/or inform you? Dia is the moderator of the conference, and she sets the topics, and declares what is off topic. Perhaps she'll upload the Rules for everyone to review. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAS00007Date: 06/22/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 10:12am \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! BOB MOYLAN was thinking about Ultimate Jane-ism! and keyed into cyberspace: BM>MARK PROBERT (On 14 Jun 97) was overheard expounding to JANE KELLEY BM> MP> Of course you aren't. However, if anyone reads this, I suggest BM> MP> that they check with the AHRC or ACDS before trying any of those BM> MP> witches brews. One death has been reported. Children with Down BM> MP> Syndrome should not be sed as guinea pigs in uncontrolled and BM> MP> unmonitored "testing". BM> Something of interest along those lines... one of the physicians BM> listed among the researchers at one of Jane's "expert" web sites had BM> his association with Eastern Virginia Medical School terminated. BM> Verifiable details are nearly impossible to acquire but the grape BM> vine is flourishing and TRI is mentioned frequently in the same BM> breath with this doc's name. Somewhat reassuring to find that the BM> medical profession does "police" itself. Why Bob, I am truly shocked. You mean Jane is relying on a discredited person? Amazing. I am shocked. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAS00008Date: 06/22/97 From: ROYCE SHARP Time: 09:17pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 2 times) Subj: acupuncture * Reply to msg originally in Alternative Medicines -=> Quoting Alan Fletcher to Wayne Young <=- AF> Hi Wayne, AF> I'll answer this one: > After one treatment the pain was gone for one day, then it came back the > next, but the following day it felt as though I had a cortisone > shot--WHICH LASTED SIX MONTHS. I did not have to walk with any kind of > knee support. The pain came back after six months--so I went back and > had another acupuncture treatment. The pain never came back and > to this day I have normal range of motion, I can run up and down stairs > and just do what I want to do. Anyway I went back to my doctor and he > says my knee is okay (which was pretty obvious). > Orthodox medicine should NEVER dismiss traditional medicine and should > permit the patient OPTIONS to use *in conjunction* with standard > treatment. AF> He could even have walked on stubs...and felt elated at the AF> same time..by merely taking morphium. I fail to see any cure here. AF> Alan AF> -!- GEcho 1.00 AF> ! Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) Alan, Your simple reply is both closed minded and naive. If a person is able to eliminate pain and suffering through a "non-traditional" method, there can be nothing wrong with it as long as nobody else suffers as a result. The outrageous attempt at likening a leg injury treated by acupuncture with an amputee druging it up on "morphium" shows little or no belief in anything other than blind faith in "Dr. God Complex." It is not necessary for you to understand how it works. It is not necessary for you to be treated with acupuncture. It IS enough for a person to find relief from the pain. THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!! If it doesn't work for you, TO BAD! Go to your M.D. and get your drugs. Pop those pills & shoot up your veins with all the dope you want. And when you are on all your drugs and wondering why you are in such bad shape, let your mind contimplate what COULD have been. ... Don't hit me, Mr. Moderator... I'll go back on topic... I swear! --- WtrGate+ 0.92.p5 gamma sn 107 * Origin: GratisNet (1:170/302) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAT00000Date: 06/22/97 From: PAT BRADLEY Time: 05:11pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: GENETIC RELIGION??!!!! Hello Dia > I'm not tolerating the whole thread. None of this is alternative > medicine. I have asked, begged, pleaded and reasoned with all of you > over and over again and still it seems that it can't get into some > heads this is NOT the place to talk about racial, sexual, religious > preferences etc. This echo is about ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE...PERIOD. Up & at 'em!! And thankyou from me, for what it's worth 8-) Regards, Pat --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Braintap BBS Adelaide, Oz +61-8-8239-0497 (3:800/449) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAT00001Date: 06/23/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 05:47am \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: Acupuncture WAYNE YOUNG was thinking about Acupuncture and keyed into cyberspace: WY> WY> > How's that? Both killed people indiscriminately! WY> WY> WY> AF> Indiscriminately?? WY> WY> WY>You know, without regard to who you are - men, women, and WY> WY>children - when Hitler overran the peaceful neighbouring WY> WY>countries, killing millions. Or you don't believe he did it? WY> WY>Did you know England was hard hit? Or that didn't happen too? WY> MP> You just did not understand Alan. Hitler did not kill WY> MP> indiscriminately. He killed two classes of people: non-aryan WY> MP> and those who got in his way. WY>Holy Moses, just what do you understand?! WY>Do you think Hitler's "buzz" bombs know who is "non-aryan" when WY>they killed the Brits by the thousands??? WY>And you don't think the Brits have the right to be in Hitler's WY>way to defend England?? Now, where did I say that? Oh, you mean I did not? Right. I did not. That's one of the reasons I like the Brits so much. Even Alan. :) WY>Who but Nazis think like that?!! You? Your reading comprehension is lacking, as usual. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110)