--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00044Date: 06/21/97 From: BOB MOYLAN Time: 11:22am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! MARK PROBERT (On 14 Jun 97) was overheard expounding to JANE KELLEY MP> Of course you aren't. However, if anyone reads this, I suggest that MP> they check with the AHRC or ACDS before trying any of those witches MP> brews. One death has been reported. Children with Down Syndrome MP> should not be sed as guinea pigs in uncontrolled and unmonitored MP> "testing". Something of interest along those lines... one of the physicians listed among the researchers at one of Jane's "expert" web sites had his association with Eastern Virginia Medical School terminated. Verifiable details are nearly impossible to acquire but the grape vine is flourishing and TRI is mentioned frequently in the same breath with this doc's name. Somewhat reassuring to find that the medical profession does "police" itself. Bob ... Just when you think it's hopelessly broken it works --- PPoint 2.03 * Origin: What's The Point? Virginia Beach, VA USA (1:275/429.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00045Date: 06/21/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 06:30am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Flies, ulcers and cancer that was very interesting...thanks for the post... --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00046Date: 06/19/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 05:39pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Asthma' contrib [2/2] On 06-16-97 00:51, Alan Fletcher typed to Ty Meissner regarding: => Asthma' contrib [2/2] <= Hello Alan, ------------------- >8 snip ! --------------------- AF> Whereas I can understand Peter's concern...he sure seems to be AF> putting a load of eggs into a load of different baskets. Sure..he has AF> every right to be worried..about acid rain..about everything else AF> he mentions. But he he should perhaps calm down a bit and try to AF> address each problem individually with the knowledge (and common AF> sense) at hand. Scaremongering sells newspapers and magazine AF> articles but it doesn't provide feasible solutions. The statistics AF> certainly do show that we are flying blind..and most are even AF> prepared to accept death at around 75 as long as they have been AF> monetarily and religiously blessed. Is this the answer? AF> Best regards, AF> Alan One answer would be to switch to less toxic alternatives in various chemical fabrication preocesses. They certainly exists. One other answer would be to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels in favor of renewable energy sources. Another would be to use bio-intensive farming instead of chemical intensive methods promoted by global chemical mining/oil corporations. It just so happens that the means of energy and food production that are most destructive of our environments are also the most profitable for the global corporations that own the TV networks, the newspapers, and who fund universities, and who print yoour childrens' schoolbooks. Ty Ty Meissner E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. -- Peter Spiro ... Madness takes its toll; please have exact change. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00047Date: 06/19/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 05:20pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Bill White On 06-13-97 00:49, Alan Fletcher typed to Ty Meissner regarding: => Bill White <= Hello Alan, ------------------- >8 snip ! --------------------- AF> Do you really still believe that the Chinese or Outer Mongolians AF> or whoever have the answer to your problems? Or do you still AF> believe in an alternative medicine rather than an allopathic AF> medicine. If you use the word "medicine", what is the difference AF> (considering that allopathic medicine is still largely based on AF> natural herbs)? Are you interested in "treatment" (which is AF> the role of both allopathic and alternative medicine) or "cure", AF> which only the body itself is capable of bringing about? I still AF> find it difficult to "know where I am" in this echo because it AF> would seem that many (mostly Americans) still believe that AF> treating symptoms (the allopathic approach) is synonymous with AF> curing. I had hoped that the alternatives over there (or at AF> least in here) had progressed beyond this disillusionary AF> stage. Just so's you know who you are talking to when you talk AF> to me..alternative medicine to me (and the Natural Hygiene AF> Society which I support) is simply the attainment of what AF> we believe to be true health and wellbeing based on current AF> knowledge. We also have a branch in the U.S.A. BTW (no I'm AF> not trying to sell you anything as the Natural Hygiene AF> movement is a non-profit organization...just letting you know). AF> Best regards, AF> Alan I believe that preventive medicine, i.e. that medicine that best supports and enhances then body's own disease fighting mechanisms. I think that part of chinese medicine which regards diet geared to support this function is probably of some value. I believe there is some truth in the saying "you are what you eat." The trouble with allopathic medicine is that it is concerned with sickness rather than health. Its very helpful when the body's mechanisms have broken down in the face of some disease process, but its preferable to avoid getting to that stage of disrepair. I don't think there are any magical wonder drugs or herbs or crystals that will let the blind see, the lame walk, and the dying find new life. I think many of the illnesses from which we suffer are the results of human activity and man made substances pervading our environment. I think modern food production methods are profoundly unhealthy. We, collectively are poisoning ourselves and though we know what we are doing, and what the ultimate cost of our actions, we just don't care to change our ways. Regards, Ty Ty Meissner E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. -- Peter Spiro ... I have seen the enemy. And they are us ! - Pogo (c) Walt Kelly ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00048Date: 06/20/97 From: WAYNE YOUNG Time: 12:06am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: Acupuncture -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Wayne Young <=- WY> >> AF> Bacteria and viruses aren't our enemies, they have just as WY> >> AF> much right to be on this earth as we have (and have been WY> >> AF> around a WY> >> Interesting concept... Hitler had the same rights too, was he our WY> >> enemy? I like you to answer that to Winton Churchill. WY> WY> > AF> A stupid comparison... WY> WY> > How's that? Both killed people indiscriminately! WY> AF> Indiscriminately?? WY>You know, without regard to who you are - men, women, and WY>children - when Hitler overran the peaceful neighbouring WY>countries, killing millions. Or you don't believe he did it? WY>Did you know England was hard hit? Or that didn't happen too? MP> You just did not understand Alan. Hitler did not kill MP> indiscriminately. He killed two classes of people: non-aryan and those MP> who got in his way. Holy Moses, just what do you understand?! Do you think Hitler's "buzz" bombs know who is "non-aryan" when they killed the Brits by the thousands??? And you don't think the Brits have the right to be in Hitler's way to defend England?? Who but Nazis think like that?!! Pot. Kettle. Black. MP> ===>The Voice of Reason<=== Hitler would not say his voice was not of reason. MP> * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY He may even say this is registered! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver, B.C., Canada (1:153/7715) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00049Date: 06/21/97 From: WAYNE YOUNG Time: 09:47pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 2 times) Subj: acupuncture -=> Quoting Alan Fletcher to Wayne Young <=- AF> I'll answer this one: Only when you needed air. > After one treatment the pain was gone for one day, then it came back the > next, but the following day it felt as though I had a cortisone > shot--WHICH LASTED SIX MONTHS. I did not have to walk with any kind of > knee support. The pain came back after six months--so I went back and > had another acupuncture treatment. The pain never came back and > to this day I have normal range of motion, I can run up and down stairs > and just do what I want to do. Anyway I went back to my doctor and he > says my knee is okay (which was pretty obvious). > Orthodox medicine should NEVER dismiss traditional medicine and should > permit the patient OPTIONS to use *in conjunction* with standard > treatment. > I read articles it was used for many other conditions with encouraging > results. And the World Health Organization officially recognizes it as > an official treatment for hundreds of medical conditions. > I cannot tell you how wonderful it worked for me, and to walk and run or > do what I want without pain is something I truly appreciate, because I > know how it feels to lose that privlege. > Luke > -----------end------------------------------------------ > I hope you enjoyed reading it, AF> He could even have walked on stubs...and felt elated at the AF> same time..by merely taking morphium. I fail to see any cure here. AF> Alan Well, I'm not surprised. Some people can't see beyond the old data base. In fact, some even bury their heads in the sand and come up only at about the point of asphyxiation. If Luke and the World Health Organization recognized accupuncture as a good alternative, along with hospitals in many countries, I'll respect their judgements. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver, B.C., Canada (1:153/7715) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00050Date: 06/21/97 From: WAYNE YOUNG Time: 09:30pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: ADD etc. -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Wayne Young <=- WY> WY> WY>Very valid points, Jane. WY> WY> WY>"You are what you eat" applies to ADD too. WY> WY> WY> MP> Never has, never will. WY> WY> WY>Did you ever think about that before you spew it out? WY> WY>If you ask me nicely, I'll tell you the facts, as up-to-date as WY> WY>last week. But your pride will not allow that. WY> WY> WY> MP> ===>The Voice of Reason<=== WY> WY> WY>Blindly opinionated hot air! WY> MP> OK, post the facts. Any scientifically valid research published WY> MP> in a juried journal acceptable to the medical community will WY> MP> do. I'll make it easy: WY> MP> Name of Journal: WY> MP> Author(s): WY> MP> Volume: WY> MP> Page: WY>That wouldn't do you any good, after all, you already saw WY>"thousands" of them as you said; you wouldn't understand it. WY>I'll do this much for you though, because I want your son to WY>get better; I'll summaries it for you, for easy digest. WY>But you have to do better than Alan, you have to read it coolly WY>and think about it before you spew back saying it doesn't work, WY>like Alan did on another post about virus, ok? WY>DIET improves a medical/bodily condition by changing the body's WY>chemistry to bring about a biochemical equilibrium. WY>The basic life energy has 2 functional expressions which WY>influence and control the physical matters. These 2 subenergies WY>control among others the body functions and have to be kept in WY>balance for optimal functioning of the biological systems. The WY>endocrine glands whose hormones control every body function WY>would then be in top condition. These 2 subenergies are called WY>"yin and yan" in the Chinese medicine - the life energy "Chi". WY>The Chinese try to manipulate them with the help of accupuncture, WY>yoga, and with DIET. Modern science call yin and yan as antropy and WY>ectropy, electron and positron, or simply matter and antimatter. WY> - E Frauendorfer, PhD, Calf., USA MP> Wayne, I have often stated that I prefer to read original studies. I You already read "thousands" of originals as you said, what have you learned from them? Did you read the above in earnest? Did you understand it? What was the main point? MP> ===>The Voice of Reason<=== The frog in his muddy hole croaking he is the greatest! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver, B.C., Canada (1:153/7715)