--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00014Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 11:18pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Fever Can Kill Hi Jane, > AF> > told me to leave foods with gluten alone. > AF> You could have saved your money and time....I told you that months > AF> ago. ;-) > He also told me to get more selenium Forget the selenium.....chances are that you are getting more than enough (the docs...including the alternatives..do not know how much you need and why anyway). ;-) > and essential oils. What do you mean by "essential oils"? I presume unsaturated fats together with the fat soluble vitamins they contain. If so, nothing wrong with that advice if you are down on A, D, E or K. Better to get them from the fats (also good for your joints) than in pills..that's for sure. Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00015Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 11:24pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 2 times) Subj: Marx & Stalin Hi Dia, >> It is truly sad that Wayne doesn't know anything about Jews >> (I'm not >> a Jew BTW), homosexuals or anything significant..and even >> less about >> ALTMED..which is what this echo is all about. I am thus >> twitting >> him as of now. and Jane (his idol) will follow if she >> doesn't start >> contributing some ALTMED. The allopaths in here are slowly >> boring >> me. > You object because people are not sticking to ALTMED subject..please > tell me where Jew..homesexuals etc have anything to do with > ALTMED..please practice what you preach...these subjects,,either by you > or anyone else are NOT suitable for ALTMED posting.... I agree...and have thus taken steps by no longer replying to off-topic messages. Allopathic views are also off-topic as well, are they not? Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00016Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 11:29pm \/To: FRANK STARR (Read 2 times) Subj: plants, heaven and hell Hi Frank, >>>I think I'll just stick to the observation that "matter can neither be > created nor destroyed". > OK. Not sure how or where it applies, etc. But, ok. >>>In view of the fact that human survival is dependent on the presence of wat > er > and plants, I would tend to add more importance to these. > Than to what? >>>Do plants go to heaven or hell? > Per the teachings of "Conversations With God", Buddahism, and > similar > trains of thought, hell does not exist. It was created by some religions > in > order to keep the churches full. Per the majority of religions espousing > afterlife, I think they all imply that matter remains here on earth, > while > spirit/soul goes on. Thus, in Heaven, there is no beer :+>. Except on > spiritual > holodecks, or via spiritual replicators, I guess. To keep this on-topic and in ALTMED...no beer could well contribute towards a heaven on earth (even though it does taste good, i.e. particularly the real, unadulterated stuff as brewed in Germany). :-) Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00017Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 11:49pm \/To: FRANK STARR (Read 2 times) Subj: Blackouts, Peter Duesberg web Hi Frank, > Thanks for your suggestions for my mother-in-law. She is 85 > currently. > Spiritually going on 35 :+>. > Found out that I was mispelling Duesberg. The web site is > WWW.DUESBERG.COM, vs WWW.DEUSBERG.COM. The web site has a lot of info. > I guess there are a lot of allopathics here. Hope more open to > naturopathy > as time goes on. Mark Probert seemed to feel that Mr. Duesberg wa > fraud > merely because the patients he presented as AIDS-free still had physical > body > damage. I submit that purging a virus would take less time than > rebuilding a > disease-ravaged body. I would totally agree. > If the allopathic blood tests for AIDS weren't > flawed, > submitting one of Mr. Duesberg's cured patients to such a test could > bring > proof. But, there are so many false positives to those tests, they are > worthless, so far as I am concerned. That was shown by the Sunday Times (U.K.) survey in Africa. Most of the so-called AIDS victims were suffering from mere common complaints down there (anything from malaria to dysentry). I tend to regard the whole AIDS issue as being suspect merely because it is a NEW ailment (not more than three decades old). Cancer is also a new ailment from the point of view of the increasing number of cases over the past few decades (as are cardio-vascular ailments). The answers as to the causes are thus there in our altered ways of living (and the environment of course) over the past few decades. We should thus not be searching for "cures" (which are merely treatments to date) but the actual causes. It is both well-known and well documented, for example, that irradiation causes cancers. What is not known is the actual minimal dosage. Nevertheless we are being subjected to more and more x-ray examinations than ever before. There are even some people who lie to their docs as to when they had their last x-ray examination just so's they can get another one (seeing is believing). Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00018Date: 06/18/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:04am \/To: TERRY RICKS (Read 2 times) Subj: Virus Hi Terry, You wrote to Wayne: > WY> However, it is dormant before it begins to replicate itself to > WY> cause damage? > If you are using the term "dormant" in the sense of hybernation it would > not be erroneous to say the the virions are dormant until they attach to > a susceptable host cell. Also, the disease that is caused by the virus > is a result of the destruction of the host cells that the virus has > invaded. Follow with me here; if you destroy the cells of the mucus > membranes of the nasal passages you are going to destroy the function of > those membranes. You are also going to release cell materials > (cytoplasm) into the nasal passage. In defense, the rest of the body's > cells respond by walling off the contaminated area and releasing fluids > that contain virus fighting chemicals such as interferon. The results: > the symptoms of the common cold. Whereas you are correct here (state-of-the-art knowledge on viruses), neither you nor any of your buddies have an answer to the common cold. You never will have as long as you try to eliminate viruses (perfectly natural and perfectly opportunistic) rather than strengthen the immune system which is perfectly capable (if you let it) of dealing with these "bugs". I'm not knocking your research...just pointing out perhaps a better direction (although no money to be made here). ;-) Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00019Date: 06/19/97 From: KANE GUY Time: 07:28pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Adhd Hey Jane! 09-Jun-97 10:01:00, Jane Kelley wrote to Kane Guy Subject: Adhd KG>> JK> What part? My own ancestors came from Scotland and Wales as far as KG>> JK> can tell. JK> KG>I'm from South-East England, Kent! Often called the garden of gland. JK> I'd love to chat on about some other things, however that wouldn't be JK> nice at all. [Puzzled look ON] ????? JK> What I will ask about are the folk medicine practices that JK> may still be going on in your part of the world. Are there any JK> herbalists left, for instance, or others who have some of the ancient JK> Celtic knowledge? There are a fair few herbalists around, even some of my family are into AltMed. One of my cousins is a Hypnotist, one of my aunts practices Reflexology, her x-husband is a 'Healer' and most of us use some herbal remedies and 'Old Fashioned' cures. I would also imagine there are a few still practising the Old Celtic Way but I don't know of any personally. All the best! Kane Guy E-mail: kaneguy@cableinet.co.uk --- Terminate 4.00 * Origin: The NEW Terminate will -=> FAX <=- almost anything! (2:440/601.16) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00020Date: 06/19/97 From: STEPHEN BOWYER Time: 12:12pm \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: Genetic Religion??!!!! WY> You're sicker than you think when you see me everywhere you go. WY> There's one place you must go now - the psychiatrist's couch. The WY> sooner the better! You should stop talking to me now, I can't help WY> you any more. I think you're thinking about yourself there. Ste the Sysop - Bredbury BBS (0161 4306320) 2:250/133 @ FIDO fax - 0161 666 8058 voice chat anytime/anyone - 0161 666 8057 --- * Origin: Bredbury BBS (0161 430 6320) (2:250/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00021Date: 06/17/97 From: MELISSA LEVITT Time: 01:39pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: sores Hi all, I haven't been in here in a while (busy, you know how it is), and I asked a friend of mine to post a message in here to query y'all about sores (canker sores, to be specific) and their cause. Not cold sores. And I haven't seen any replies to her since I re-ordered this echo. Did anyone reply to a post like that? My sister is having a major case of hives and the doctor believes she is allergic to something within herself which could possibly be related to the canker sores. Apparently her hives show up at the same time that she gets canker sores. So I just wondered if anyone could shed any light on their cause so she could maybe figure out what to do about them or what to change in her diet or lifestyle to stop them, and maybe stop the extremely annoying and difficult hives. Thanks for any info anyone can provide, and sorry I haven't been joining in lately. Life has caught up with us, and it takes precedence over mail *most* of the time. (: Melissa P.S. Hi to everyone I used to post to and haven't lately. (: ... SLMR 2.1a Pizza IS the four food groups. --- * Origin: TheSanatorium! 607-648-6789 Sanataria Springs, NY (1:260/432) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00022Date: 06/21/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 08:34am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Marijuana [2/3] [01/15] >>> Part 1 of 15... Jane Kelley wrote in a message to Alex Vasauskas: AV>Knowing that 36 states have passed legislation recognizing AV>marijuana's therapeutic value; [9,10] and JK> Legistlators can be easily swayed by constituents who vote. But, were they in these cases? Considering the pandemic prohibition hysteria, this is not likely. AV>Also knowing that the only available access to legal AV>marijuana which was through the Food and Drug AV>Administration' s Investigational New Drug Program has been AV>closed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services since AV>1992; [11] and JK> Good use of common sense. Right. It is prudent to remain as ignorant as possible so that those who have invested careers and money and reputations in proclaiming the virtues of prohibition can avoid being faced with facts contrary to their emotional, "reefer madness" assertions. As evidenced by the demonstrated harm and failure of Prohibition I with respect to alcohol, we certainly don't want any evidence to weaken Prohibition II. Accurate information might succeed in adversely influencing the mass of people who refuse to learn from the lessons of Prohibition I. Maybe we should forget about alternative medicine and leave all medical and health care to licensed physicians and established drug companies. Every other adult is probably too stupid, irresponsible, and incapable of reading to be able to learn, evaluate, and personally decide about appropriate uses of herbs, roots, and other substances in their lives -- even if the vested interests didn't prevent the development of information as has happened in the case of marijuana. Depending on the person, many legal and illegal substances can be benign, beneficial, or harmful. The fact that someone may be foolish enough to use something to an extent harmful to them should not preclude other adults from developing and obtaining information, and using herbs and other chemicals for health, medicinal, and/or recreational purposes. It is a pernicious paternalism that governs a nation as though its adult citizens are expected to be irresponsible and incapable of governing their own lives -- purportedly just because some citizens may harm themselves due to acting irresponsibly. It is worse yet to deprive people of accurate information important to their being able to make decisions in their lives. Notwithstanding this, we have a renewed Prohibition, aka "The War on (some) Drugs" -- and, it is substantially more harmful than what it is represented to be designed to prevent: The War on Drugs is Lost Buckley, William F., Nadelmann, Ethan A, Schmoke, Kurt, Macnamara, Joseph D., Sweet, Robert W., Szasz, Thomas, and Steven B. Duke. "The War on Drugs is Lost." National Review. 12 February, 1996: 34-48. (c) 1996 by NATIONAL REVIEW, Inc. 150 East 35th Street New York, NY 10016. Reprinted by permission. Contents William F. Buckley Ethan A. Nadelmann Kurt Schmoke Joseph D. McNamara Robert W. Sweet Thomas Szasz Steven B. Duke NATIONAL REVIEW has attempted during its tenure as, so to speak, keeper of the conservative tablets to analyze public problems and to recommend intelligent thought. The magazine has acknowledged a variety of positions by right-minded thinkers and analysts who sometimes reach conflicting conclusions about public policy. As recently as on the question of troops to Bosnia, there was dissent within the family from our corporate conclusion that we'd be best off staying home. For many years we have published analyses of the drug problem. An important and frequently cited essay by Professor Michael Gazzaniga (Feb. 5, 1990) brought a scientist's discipline into the picture, shedding light on matters vital to an understanding of the drug question. He wrote, for instance, about different rates of addiction, and about ambient pressures that bear on addiction. Elsewhere, Professor James Q. Wilson, now of UCLA, has written eloquently in defense of the drug war. Milton Friedman from the beginning said it would not work, and would do damage. We have found Dr. Gazzaniga and others who have written on the >>> Continued to next message... ___ X Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 X --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Who's Askin'? (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00023Date: 06/21/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 08:34am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Marijuana [2/3] [02/15] >>> Part 2 of 15... subject persuasive in arguing that the weight of the evidence is against the current attempt to prohibit drugs. But NATIONAL REVIEW has not, until now, opined formally on the subject. We do so at this point. To put off a declarative judgment would be morally and intellectually weak-kneed. Things being as they are, and people as they are, there is no way to prevent somebody, somewhere, from concluding that "NATIONAL REVIEW favors drugs." We don't; we deplore their use; we urge the stiffest feasible sentences against anyone convicted of selling a drug to a minor. But that said, it is our judgment that the war on drugs has failed, that it is diverting intelligent energy away from how to deal with the problem of addiction, that it is wasting our resources, and that it is encouraging civil, judicial, and penal procedures associated with police states. We all agree on movement toward legalization, even though we may differ on just how far. We are joined in our judgment by Ethan A. Nadelmann, a scholar and researcher; Kurt Schmoke, a mayor and former prosecutor; Joseph D. McNamara, a former police chief; Robert W. Sweet, a federal judge and former prosecutor; Thomas Szasz, a psychiatrist; and Steven B. Duke, a law professor. Each has his own emphases, as one might expect. All agree that the celebrated war has failed, and that it is time to go home, and to mobilize fresh thought on the drug problem in the context of a free society. This symposium is our contribution to such thought. William. F. Buckley Jr. Last summer WFB was asked by the New York Bar Association to make a statement to the panel of lawyers considering the question. He made the following statement: We are speaking of a plague that consumes an estimated $75 billion per year of public money, exacts an estimated $70 billion a year from consumers, is responsible for nearly 50 per cent of the million Americans who are today in jail, occupies an estimated 50 per cent of the trial time of our judiciary, and takes the time of 400,000 policemen - yet a plague for which no cure is at hand, nor in prospect. Perhaps you, ladies and gentlemen of the Bar, will understand it if I chronicle my own itinerary on the subject of drugs and public policy. When I ran for mayor of New York, the political race was jocular, but the thought given to municipal problems was entirely serious, and in my paper on drugs and in my post-election book I advocated their continued embargo, but on unusual grounds. I had read - and I think the evidence continues to affirm it - that drug-taking is a gregarious activity. What this means, I said, is that an addict is in pursuit of company and therefore attempts to entice others to share with him his habit. Under the circumstances, I said, it can reasonably be held that drug-taking is a contagious disease and, accordingly, subject to the conventional restrictions employed to shield the innocent from Typhoid Mary. Some sport was made of my position by libertarians, including Professor Milton Friedman, who asked whether the police might legitimately be summoned if it were established that keeping company with me was a contagious activity. I recall all of this in search of philosophical perspective. Back in 1965 I sought to pay conventional deference to libertarian presumptions against outlawing any activity potentially harmful only to the person who engages in that activity. I cited John Stuart Mill and, while at it, opined that there was no warrant for requiring motorcyclists to wear a helmet. I was seeking, and I thought I had found, a reason to override the presumption against intercession by the state. About ten years later, I deferred to a different allegiance, this one not the presumptive opposition to state intervention, but a different order of priorities. A conservative should evaluate the practicality of a legal constriction, as for instance in those states whose statute books continue to outlaw sodomy, which interdiction is unenforceable, making the law nothing more than print-on-paper. I came to the conclusion that the so-called war against drugs was not working, that it would not work absent a change in the structure of the civil rights to which we are accustomed and to which we cling as a valuable part of our patrimony. And that therefore if that war against drugs is not working, we should look into what effects the war has, a canvass of the casualties consequent on its failure to work. That consideration encouraged me to weigh utilitarian principles: the Benthamite calculus of pain and pleasure introduced by the illegalization of drugs. A year or so ago I thought to calculate a ratio, however roughly arrived at, toward the elaboration of which I would need to place a dollar figure on deprivations that do not lend themselves to quantification. Yet the law, lacking any other recourse, every day countenances such quantifications, as when asking a jury to put a dollar figure on the damage done by the loss of a plaintiff's right arm, amputated by defective machinery at the factory. My enterprise became allegorical in character - I couldn't do the arithmetic - but the model, I think, proves useful in sharpening perspectives. Professor Steven Duke of Yale Law School, in his valuable book, _America's Longest War: Rethinking Our Tragic Crusade against Drugs_, and scholarly essay, "Drug Prohibition: An Unnatural Disaster," reminds us that it isn't the use of illegal drugs that we have any business complaining about, it is the abuse of such drugs. It is acknowledged that tens of millions of Americans (I have seen the figure 85 million) >>> Continued to next message... ___ X Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 X --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Who's Askin'? (1:17/75)