--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00004Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:33am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Acupuncture Hi Jane, > AF> What the dickens are you talking about? I was not talking about > AF> what syphilis can do (common knowledge) but merely stating that > AF> it is an opportunistic ailment (as with all bacterial ailments) > AF> and also that it is no threat to a health person. Why you continue > AF> to bend mails to your own ends is beyond me (only a confirmed > AF> allopath in an ALTMED echo would attempt to do that). > And once again, Alan, I do hope that you never ever prove me right by > contacting tertiary syphillis. A rather emotional answer Jane. The odds are certainly very much in my favour that I won't ever get it. And I have no sympathy whatsoever for those in the western world who do get it on the odd occasion. Same goes for AIDS and even malaria. Everybody is aware how they can avoid such diseases (some are even so healthy or naturally endowed that they are immune). Getting any ailment is the fault of the person concerned (not the docs but even they add a might too many side-effects in their medication), either because he or she made a conscious mistake or else failed to take one iota of interest in his or her health. IOW, any ailment I get is my own fault and I can accept that. The only ailment I have at the moment is a flat wart right on the main joint of my right index finger. Any remedies? Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00005Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:45am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: ADD etc. Hi Jane, > AF> > Ah, yes, but Jane's point was the feeding kids right will prevent > crime. > AF> > THAT is what Bob was referring to. Got any proof of that? Hmmm? Please > AF> > make sure that the research controlled for all other variables in > AF> > raising a child. > AF> Sagan's book...very exhaustively..and using only official government > AF> statistics..did exactly that. Food is certainly not the only aspect, > AF> but it would seem that it is one of the more important aspects..as > AF> getting fed properly is also a matter of education (parents), the > AF> health of the parents and the wealth of the parents to some degree. > Gotta get out of here in 20 minutes, ask me again and I will attempt to > find the book by the criminologist that gives information about > hypoglycemia and the prison population. > Most prisons contain genetic alcoholics (used to be 70%) and the rest > were a duke's mixture. Now the drug addicts are changing the statistics > over here. There is even the possibility that you may be right in some respects, but for the wrong reasons. It is obvious, for example, that there are more people from poorer, lower class families in jail than from the upper class. It is also known that the lower class (I hate that phrase but for want of a better one..) produces more alcoholics (not genetic but merely the copying of parental habits as well as the need to use a drug to "escape" a miserable situation) than the middle and upper classes. You need to do some reading Jane (and your own Sagan is as good a place as any to start). The guy is not even "alternative", he was, and still is (as far as I know), an allopathic (even they sometimes have something sensible to say). Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00006Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 12:55am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Adhd Hi Jane, > AF> > So, your fantasy has no credibility. Are you trying to emulate Jane, > who > AF> > is factually challenged? > AF> I am not fantasizing Mark...and certainly not trying to emulate > AF> Jane (who has a fixed opinion about everything it would seem)... > AF> merely trying to put two and two together in some respects. > Did you happen to catch my posts about the papers Dr. Bates has written > on this subject? I've had the blasted things sitting at my feet for > months and just got into them again the other day. His theory is that > food allergies are responsible for many of the symptoms associated with > ADHD. Our main bone of contention with each other Jane (that is why I snipped the rest) is that you still believe that an allergy is an ailment..i.e. rather than a symptom. Using your logic, everybody should have hayfeaver etc.. Using hayfeaver as an (extremely common) example, how long have these species of pollen been around Jane (I have asked you this before I believe)? Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00007Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 01:00am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Alcoholics Hi Jane, > JK> > what it's fed thru the mother. So...alcholism isn't ALWAYS self- > JK> > inflicted, which I believe is what Jane was attempting to point > JK> > out to you. > AF> You can believe what you like Karen....we have been reading Jane > AF> for months..and she is still convinced that there is also a > AF> genetic link. Which she will probably...after reading this... > AF> try to play down. > I'm also very convinced there is a genetic link to schizophrenia (that > one was found in England after the psychiatrists there got tired of our > diagnoses over here in folks with the same heritage), the Bipolar > disorder, and those who are convinced that England won the American > Revolution :). You evaded the issue entirely here Jane. ;-) As to the Revolution...personally I couldn't care less as I wans't there. I can imagine, however, that sinking our tea ship in Boston must have demoralised us completely. ;-) Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00008Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 09:34pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Cancer Hi Jane, > This didn't come from you...... > AF> > I have to defend Alan in this one. Alan is talking to Jane. Jane's > AF> > "sources" are always unverifiable. For the most part, she uses sales > AF> > literature and anecdotes told by salesmen. When she has been given > hard > AF> > cites by me, and others, she scoffs at them because she does not agree > AF> > with them. > I typed this into AltaVista "Andreasen, Nancy C., M.d., Ph.D." and got > back a sheet stating that is the author of two books, one of which is on > the recommended reading list. That is "The Broken Brain" about > applications in psychiatry of brain imaging. The reference on that one: > http://data-entry.psychiatry.uiowa.edu/mhcrc/RecReading.html > Then she also published "Neurosychiatry and Biological Psychiatry" and > the reference for this one is" > http://www.appi.org/neuropsy.html Don't know why you replied to me rather than the gentleman who wrote in the first place. I am not interested in psychiatry and certainly not in any form of diagnostic medicine. I am interested in health and thus in prevention and bodily cure. IOW I am not interested in "broken brains" but how they got "broken" in the first place and how to prevent this happening. Neither am I interested in the treatment (but maybe in the prevention) of genetic defects. Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00009Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 09:45pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: clinical trials Hi Jane, > AF> I agree with you 100% here. ALTMED is a serious subject which because > AF> of the increasing proof is finally slowly being taken seriously by > AF> various governments (including yours) throughout the world. It is > AF> being taken seriously BECAUSE it distances itself (always did) from > AF> allopathy, quackery, quick money-makers and the esoteric crowd etc. > AF> and because it is producing results. > There is a very good reason why folks will keep on using alternative > methods of health care. > They work. The only trouble is....I doubt whether we will ever reach a consensus because ALTMED in the U.S.A. seems more based on supplements and herbal preparations (i.e. a quasi allopathic approach) rather than on prevention and on roads to gaining (or regaining) health and wellbeing. As long as people (including some purported ALTMED followers) fail to realise that no pill or preparation in the world (whatever its contents) will in any way help in reaching these goals..there will be discrepancies and argumentation within the ranks of ALTMED followers. Wild animals don't need...and have never needed.. pills and preparations and nor do they have any use for mega-expensive diagnostic equipment. Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00010Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 09:58pm \/To: MEG UMANS (Read 2 times) Subj: Eyebright & Bilberry Hi Meg, >-> > I use it for that purpose, and it improves mine. >-> Now that is the kind of info I like...I will also try it out. ;-) > I noticed an improvement in my night vision about three months after I > started taking bilberry. I take two 375 mg capsules a day. Fresh bilberries are easy to get over here so I think I'll use those (although I'm not all that keen on them). I don't have night vision problems as yet (I'm 49) but prevention is better than cure as they say. :-) BTW...people who wear sunglasses a lot during the day often suffer from this complaint. Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00011Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 10:22pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: A Fact Or Two.... Hi Jane, > AF> opinion and I have not yet heard of one instance where someone > AF> has regretted it. IOW..the trend downwards is certainly (as all > AF> statistics show quite dramatically) not the result of innoculation > AF> but IN SPITE OF IT. To put it another way, diseases like polio > AF> are disappearing in modern countries because of one (or more) > AF> other factors. > Got an American military base handy? See if the medical folks there can > be persuaded to show you the list of common diseases that our Air Force > medics at McChord must be aware of when receiving injured or ill folks > from other nations. I know all about that Jane as I was on a joint U.K./U.S. Air Force base (Wildenrath in Germany) back in the late 60s. You have to differentiate a bit here though between parasitic illnesses (such as malaria, bilharzia etc.) which really are still a problem, and viral and bacterial ailments, which are only a problem for the unhealthy with poor immune systems. Take yellow fever as a typical virus infection in Africa and South America in particular. It is not much of a problem at all for most of the healthy people living in these places (if the situation were otherwise these nations would have been wiped out by now). It is more of a problem, OTOH, for people (particularly unhealthy people) who visit these places and are not supposed to be there in the first place. IOW, it CAN be even fatal to such people but not always by any means. Nature looks after her own and the survival of the fittest still applies to humans as well. Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00012Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 10:51pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Acupuncture Hi Jane, > AF> I have never contested that malaria was not used in the treatment of > AF> syphilis...merely that this is (was) a stupid treatment as it did > AF> not address the cause. > Nothing that works is stupid. Hitting your left big toe with a hammer is also good for forgetting headaches...but by no means addresses the cause of any headache. Giving someone an almost incurable parasitic disease which is a surefire road to repeated anaemia (at best) just to raise the body temperature is also just as idiotic. People who have gotten a syphilis (quite rare nowadays) generally only have only themselves to blame (they were prepared to run the risk). Whilst one can appreciate that the medical profession can make big money by treating such patients, it is questionable from the point of view of natural selection according to the laws of Nature whether such individuals who choose to run the risk of such a self-inflicted injury deserve any help or relief at all. It was a common practise in the no too distant past to segregate people with any form of contagious disease from the local communities at large (leper colonies etc.) in order to improve the survival rate of the community at large and contain the illness concerned. Whilst quarantine is still necessary with some diseases even today, I see no reason why people with self-inflicted ailments which are contagious should not also be quarantined and left to their own devices. Some religions may say that we should love our neighbour as we do ourselves..but neither Jesus or Allah etc. either condemned or eliminated leper colonies etc.. A lot of people are reading more into the teachings of their gods than was really there. No god on or around or above this earth can (and probably never wanted to) defy the laws of Nature. Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAR00013Date: 06/17/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 11:07pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: ACUPUNCTURE Hi Jane, > JK> > Speak for your own nation, not for others. I've stood up to > doctors, hospital administrators, > AF> Even if this is true, you are merely confirming what I said and > AF> trying to make yourself a hero. I KNOW why I work for the > AF> pharmaceuticals industry..but I certainly doubt that you had the > AF> same motives as I when you entered into your profession. > My motive was the same as what has motivated me most of my life; > identification with and the need to nourish other abused people. I don't > think I would have remained in nursing in any other setting but the one > I landed up in......a psych hospital in the late 1940's. Rather > interesting place to spend one's post teen years. The motive of the non-profit-making Natural Hygiene movement is to provide the population worldwide with info which will help them to help themselves (and also to provide a better health basis for the children of the future). Pharmaceuticals and herbal treatments do not play any role at all here (with the exception of treating serious physical injuries). Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5)