--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAQ00004Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:18am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: Adhd MP>JK>MP>JK>Finding a virus is just about an impossible job. They are very, MP>JK>MP>JK>very tiny when compared to other microbes. I had a researcher MP>JK>MP>JK>as a patient one time at Swedish who told me what had to be MP>JK>MP>JK>done. It is worse than looking for a needle in a haystack! At MP>JK>MP>JK>least the needle can be seen. MP>JK>MP>Jane, I deal with a virus every day. Your information is woefully MP>JK>MP>out of date. The use of various types of electron microscopes, MP>JK>MP>etc. has made the job quite easy. MP>JK>I was told that the virus itself isn't seen, the "shadow" it makes MP>JK>is. If this is now untrue, what is? And why does it still take a long MP>JK>time to find any "new" virus? MP>It is an electron image. Sort of like a "shadow". MP>As for finding a new virus, I have no solid experience. My bugs are well MP>known, and really are easy to find. They are quite plentiful. MP>However, to find a new virus, you first have to find a location where MP>they might be. The area scanned by a e-scope is so small it makes MP>anything, even the area scanned, hard to find. Mark, this contradicts what you said above and is essentially the same damn thing that the researcher at Swedish Hospital told me several years ago! That new virus(es?) (i?) (what is the correct plural of the critters?) are hard to find. * SLMR 2.1a * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAQ00005Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:18am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: Alcoholics MP>JK>According to the paper I laboriously typed in for you, Dr. Charles MP>JK>Bates, in Olympia WA would say this is due to food allergies. Any MP>JK>history of that in the kid's family tree? MP>But ADHD has been shown not to be caused by food allergies. In fact, the MP>diagnostic method promulgated by ADHD experts, and sanctioned by DSM III MP>specifically require that any other possible cause of the behavior be MP>ruled out. IOW, a kid with ADHD has already been shown not to have MP>allergies. ADHD is what is "leftover" when everything else is ruled out. Er, ah, we now have the DSM IV which outdates the DSM III. We have had it out now for a couple of years. It is around four times the size of the DSM III and has a bunch of "new" diseases which are essentially the same old same old with new titles. Those who are into brain imagry take it with a large helping of salt. * SLMR 2.1a * Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAQ00006Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:18am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: Fda Acts MP>I wonder if your knowledge of history is gained from taking hard history MP>courses where you sat on hard chairs. It seems to be about the MP>equivalent of your know of Down Syndrome, to name just one thing. Non- MP>existent. Argue with Dateline, Mark. They just put on a TV special all about the trade to and from the Contras by North and Poindexter. MP>North flooded the nation with cocaine? Have you ever heard of the Calle MP>Cartel and the Medellin Cartel? And, just for completeness, how about an MP>exact date of that pardon. The pardon was by Reagan. Who also didn't want Noriega to go on trial. That would have been too embarassing for the GOP. As it is, they have had to smear both Clinton and Gore in order to attempt to cover up what went on in the cocaine deals. * SLMR 2.1a * All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here. --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAQ00007Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:18am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 2 times) Subj: Marijuana [1/3] AV>Many people with 50 years of experience have only one year AV>of experience repeated 50 times. Speak for yourself. I had many varied experiences which were different. Working in a mental instititution before tranquilizers, being a drug and alcohol counselor in the Alaskan "Bush" 100 or more miles from the nearest hosptial, office nursing, different types of specialty floors such as newborn nursery or postpartem.......I;ve done all that and more. I tended to learn quickly, then get bored by repetitious acts and look for another job. Couldn't afford to go to school as I was supporting a couple of kids on a salary that started out at $300 a month. AV>You have no knowledge regarding what I know or who my peers are, AV>and my making representations regarding what I know wouldn't make AV>any difference because (like your purported credentials) there is AV>no way to check their validity here. This is why I have relied AV>upon presenting information that can be publicly checked. Then go find yourself a copy of the DSM IV and find all of the references to marijuana. AV>Moreover, even if your representation of your background AV>is true, there is no way to know your credibility. In fact, AV>during your participation in various echoes on fidonet you have AV>not provided anything other than evidence that you are a person AV>with his/her own personal opinion and agenda. You drop the names AV>of authorities without specific citation, and if your opinion is AV>supported by authoritative resources in any way, it is supported AV>only by reading for the parts of such resources (such as DSM IV) AV>that agree with your view and ignoring the parts that don't AV>support your agenda. There isn't much in the DSM IV that I don't agree with as far as marijuana is concerned. At one time the DSM stated that cocaine was not addictive. It can be very, very wrong. AV>It is not surprising that your personal opinion is contrary to AV>authorities like the American Public Health Association which AV>relies upon current research and is interested in developing AV>the truth about marijuana: There are other authorities which have developed information on marijuana which satisfies everyone but those who want to use the stuff for one reason or another. Those who keep at this are those with their own agenda, not folks who are disinterested bystanders. * SLMR 2.1a * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAQ00008Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:18am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 2 times) Subj: Marijuana [2/3] AV>Knowing that 36 states have passed legislation recognizing AV>marijuana's therapeutic value; [9,10] and Legistlators can be easily swayed by constituents who vote. AV>Also knowing that the only available access to legal AV>marijuana which was through the Food and Drug AV>Administration' s Investigational New Drug Program has been AV>closed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services since AV>1992; [11] and Good use of common sense. We have more than enough teenagers using the stuff now. We don't need any stamp of approval on this noxious weed at all. * SLMR 2.1a * I am not young enough to know everything. --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAQ00009Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:18am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: More On Add MP>JK>MP>This is not scientific in the slightest way. There was no control MP>JK>MP>group, nor did "Dr." Smith have any means to screen out for MP>JK>MP>non-compliance, Hawthorne or placebo effect. MP>JK>There are plenty of control groups. They are the kids who don't get MP>JK>the kind of treatment Dr. Smith provided. MP>Scientific research requires the use of control groups to validate the MP>findings. It continually amazes me how who believe salescreeps over MP>scientists. Mark, you wait for your scientific evidence to occur. In the meantime, others will feed their children according to what has been discovered by Dr. Smith and others who practice alternative medicine along with standard medicine and their children will benefit. * SLMR 2.1a * I think therefore I am not a REpublican. --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAQ00010Date: 06/20/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 08:18am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! MP>Of course you aren't. However, if anyone reads this, I suggest that they MP>check with the AHRC or ACDS before trying any of those witches brews. MP>One death has been reported. Children with Down Syndrome should not be MP>used as guinea pigs in uncontrolled and unmonitored "testing". Dixie and the other folks in the Down Sydrome echo work with leading doctors and others who do a lot of research constantly. The notes written by both the medical experts and the parents who are using a nutritional approach can be found at: listserve@listserv.nodak.edu Dixie Lawrence-Tafoya has been on TV, has lectured to many parent's groups, has written much since she found a nutritional treatment for her daughters' Down Syndrome. Incidently, in the European references I found in the net, it is called Downs Syndrome. I am going to forward to you the notes I have on the subject on file. You can be wrong, Mark, dead wrong. There is no reason why these children have to grow up and become brain damaged at all if their parents feed them what they need from birth on. * SLMR 2.1a * --T-A+G-L-I+N-E--+M-E-A+S-U-R+I-N-G+--G-A+U-G-E-- --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAQ00011Date: 06/19/97 From: PAT BRADLEY Time: 07:04pm \/To: HOLLY CAHILL (Read 2 times) Subj: SAYING GOODBYE Hello Holly > that crap is time I don't have any more. I'll probably lurk > occasionally > and may come back in the fall/winter...but for now it's adieu. Sorry to see you go - I'll miss you. Hope it's fall rather than winter that sees you back with us. Regards, Pat --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Braintap BBS Adelaide, Oz +61-8-8239-0497 (3:800/449) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAQ00012Date: 06/14/97 From: TERRY RICKS Time: 11:18pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 2 times) Subj: Virus > A virus is an obligate intracellular parasite. > > A buzzword maybe....but true according to state-of-the-art knowledge. > IOW a virus is an opportunistic cell parasite. Not a "buzzword", but a fact. How do you define "opportunisitic"? Every know cellular form of life has at least one viral parasite, most have more than one. Not every virus can attack every cell; the cell has to have the appropriate protein receptor site. The virion attaches to the appropriate site. There is no "opportunity", as in attacking the cell at a weak, or unprotected, moment, which is what your statement implies. > > All true according to state-of-the-art knowledge..but where is this > knowledge getting us?....absolutely nowhere Terry. So where do we > (you) go from here? Do you seriously believe that you may someday > develop a means (other than our own immune system) of destroying > viruses? Does your research concentrate on improving/strengthening > the immune system? How can you say that this knowledge gets us nowhere? This knowledge has allowed the development of anti-viral drugs that block receptor sites, or help cells fight viral reproduction. Most viruses are easily destroyed by natural materials such as sunlight, heat, or simple chemicals such as chlorine (as a chlorite solution). We can already destroy viruses! What's your point? > So you are at a college Terry....what would industry expect of you > when you leave? > You lost me here! What industry? Why would this industry expect anything from me whether I'm at a college or not. My position at the college is Adjunct Faculty. My fulltime job is with the Food Sanitation Division of the local health department. Does that count as your "industry"? > I am surrounded by a couple of hundred of you guys (a few are also > good friends of mine) and it is enlightening to hear their own > goals in life (rather than the goals of their peers). There are > many people in this world who need to think about what they are > doing...for whom..and why. OK, again, what's your point?!! * AmyBW v2.14 * --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue BBS 210-533-5668 San Antonio, TX (1:387/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAQ00013Date: 06/20/97 From: DIA SPRIGGS Time: 09:06am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: No "Red Indians" here > got done posting something where the thread did relate. > Alternative > medicine DOES often relate to other cultures. A reasonable I am always interested in alternative practices of any group, culture etc..many of the old methods of treating and preventing disease are very valid....lately people have been getting off on tangents that are NOT related to any medicine...alternative or otherwise. --- D'Bridge 1.30/002111 * Origin: THE SOURCE BBS Miami, Fla 305-624-2190 135/68 (1:135/68)