--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00037Date: 06/18/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 01:25pm \/To: JASON HUFF (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: A Drink Or 2 A Day JH>JK> WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!! The reason that JH>JK> there is such a high rate of alcoholism among the Native JH>JK> Americans is that the whites introduced alcohol to them along JH>JK> with smallpox and cavalry bullets. And horses. JH>that first part you say there is some genetic protection for native JH>americans, but they currently do, and always have had a problem with JH>alcohol. and i don't understand your rebuttal to Bob's comment at JH>all. how does the whites introducing alcohol have anything at all JH>to do with their supposed genetic protection? Janes postulation is rubbish. The aboriginal people of the Americans are descended from Asian people that crossed the ice "land bridge" during a previous ice age. Asian people have a lower tolerance for alcohol and experience what is called "the flushing response" (a reddening of the face and upper chest due to consumption of alcohol). American "Indians" also, of course, exhibit these traits. The native Americans higher alcoholism rate is more aptly attributable to a lack of jobs, a institutionalized "welfare state" on the reservations, and a general feeling of helplessness and hopelessness of many native Americans living under these conditions. I forget the exact unemployment rate for native Americans, right now, but it is higher that ANY other racial group in the U.S. The standard of living is, also, lower than any other group. Sounds like a reason to drink to me. Look to African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, and other disinfranchised groups (including European-Americans) in Americans slums to observe the exact same effect. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00038Date: 06/18/97 From: STEVE KEMP Time: 01:34pm \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: No "Red Indians" here DS>What does red, green, purple or any other color have to do with DS>alternative medicine....I didn't see any reference to INDIAN DS>medicine at all..Please drop the thread. Sorry, but humans don't come in greens and purples. To insert such an argument is clearly racist. As for the "Red Indian" references...I just got done posting something where the thread did relate. Alternative medicine DOES often relate to other cultures. A reasonable and respectful manner in referring to these cultures is a good and just topic, even if only in passing. --- * CMPQwk #1.42* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: CENTRAL PARK WEST - FOLSOM CA - 916.351.1476 PPI 33.6! (1:203/1476) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00039Date: 06/17/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 09:13pm \/To: HOLLY CAHILL (Read 2 times) Subj: Saying goodbye HOLLY CAHILL was thinking about Saying goodbye and keyed into cyberspace: HC>Actually, I don't. I've gone back to work after a winter lay off and HC>since her bullshit dominates this conference, the time it takes to HC>skip through that crap is time I don't have any more. I'll probably HC>lurk occasionally and may come back in the fall/winter...but for now HC>it's adieu. You will be missed, but enjoy working. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00040Date: 06/17/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 09:41pm \/To: PAUL MICHAELSON (Read 2 times) Subj: SSRI PAUL MICHAELSON was thinking about SSRI and keyed into cyberspace: PM>JANE, PM> PM> JK> Those with schizophrenia can tolerate a drug such as Prozac PM> JK> which is designed to LOWER the amount of serotonin, those with PM> JK> the Bipolar disorder and/or alcoholism with a lower than normal PM> JK> supply AT BIRTH of these crucial neurotransmitters, cannot. PM> PM>I thought Prozac was designed to increase the amount of serotonin in PM>the brain, by lowering the rate that it is reabsorbed there after it PM>is made. Isn't Prozac a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor PM>(SSRI)? Jane flunks another reality test.... ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00041Date: 06/18/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 01:19pm \/To: JASON HUFF (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: A Drink Or 2 A Day JASON HUFF was thinking about Re: A Drink Or 2 A Day and keyed into cyberspace: JH>hi jane, JH>i'm new here, and i saw something that confused me, maybe you can JH>help clear it up for me. JH>BM> JK> you would know that there is some genetic protection against JH>BM> JK> alcohol, that the Native Americans have had it only for the JH>past 2-300 years, JK> JH>BM> How then do you explain, or don't you make the attempt, the JH>BM> rampant alcoholism among the native Americans for the past 100 - JH>BM> 150 years or longer? JH>JK> WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!! The reason that JH>JK> there is such a high rate of alcoholism among the Native JH>JK> Americans is that the whites introduced alcohol to them along JH>JK> with smallpox and cavalry bullets. JH>that first part you say there is some genetic protection for native JH>americans, but they currently do, and always have had a problem with JH>alcohol. and i don't understand your rebuttal to Bob's comment at JH>all. how does the whites introducing alcohol have anything at all JH>to do with their supposed genetic protection? JH>i'll look forward to reading your reply, and clearing things up for JH>me. Hi Jason. Do not hold your breath. Jane and clarification are mutually exclusive. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00042Date: 06/19/97 From: MARK RUHLAND Time: 08:18am \/To: HOLLY CAHILL (Read 2 times) Subj: Dr.s Knowitall Hi Holly!!! Holly Cahill scratched the following in a message to Mark Ruhland: MR> I'm confused, why would you not want me to continue seeing a doc that MR> understands me as a patient??? MR> HC> Either I saved the wrong line or had a serious brain cramp. Sorry HC> 'bout that. Holly hehehehe!!! Been there done that, understand ya!!! Not a prob;-) Mark, Also found at mruhland@teleport.com 1:105/78 --- * Origin: MED-REC1 NW BBS, Portland, OR (1:105/78) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00043Date: 06/18/97 From: SARAH DURIS Time: 07:02am \/To: HOLLY CAHILL (Read 2 times) Subj: Ear Candling * Reply to msg originally in Altmed -=> Quoting Holly Cahill to Sarah Duris <=- HC> Ear candling is certainly a harmless treatment. (Unless you don't HC> watch the flame) You can try it, but you definately want to have HC> hearing tests done to make sure it works. My nephew had the same HC> problem (seems it effects males more often than females) the only HC> sign my sister had that there was any problem, was when his speech at HC> the age of four was still very unclear...a result of him not hearing HC> well. A problem you don't wish to develop, I'm sure. If it's any HC> consolation, the surgery is not terribly invasive and worked very HC> well. It may be the only solution. HC> Holly HC> My son already has a speech delay, but with some extra attention, he has been improving by leaps and bounds, despite not hearing in his left ear. According to my mother, I was not speaking until I was four, either, but then started in complete sentences. A test said I was hearing impaired, probably because of fluid. So, even though I was not treated, I still caught up and you would never know the difference now. So this is why I am baffled by professionals who keep trying to bully me into the surgery option. My son is 3, almost 4. Take care. Sarah ... Ritz cracker found in drive A: Delete children? (Y/N ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Dragon's Lair BBS (1:3404/143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00044Date: 06/18/97 From: SARAH DURIS Time: 07:08am \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Ear Candling * Reply to msg originally in Altmed -=> Quoting Ty Meissner to Sarah Duris <=- TM> Have you tried more traditional remedies such as decongestants TM> and anti-histamines, either in drug or herbal form ? Tried decongestants...didn't work. TM> As for ear-candling, the hot wax can burn the skin if you spill TM> in on it and the flame can set the hair on fire. Dowsing with a TM> dowsing rod would seem a lot safer and is probabaly equally TM> effective. What's a dowsing rod? TM> Have you investigated whay is causing them to swell shut ? Yep. Cow's milk causes ear infections with him, but even though I stopped the consumption, fluid remained. TM> It would better to ELIMINATE the CAUSE of the problem than to TM> attack its symptoms which could only bring you temporary relief, TM> at best, untill the treatment wears off and you are back at TM> square one, in my opinion. You bet! I would take him to a local naturopath for help, but I can't afford it. Seems BC Medical is no longer covering the first two visits. >:-( So I'm stuck trying to get information from other channels, but often don't know where to start. TM> Does he - could he have an infection causing the swelling ? He doesn't get ear infections unless he has cow's milk. Recently, the lady who sold us goat's milk (much better tasting than cow's IMO) sold all of her goats, so I started to buy local cow's milk (raw, no hormones, etc). My friend had found that she could give her child raw unadulterated cow's milk but not store-bought milk (huge allergic reactions). So I wondered if that was the case with my son. Nope. Not only did he get an ear infection in a couple of weeks, but he also has a persistent "cold". Mind you, it could also be all the pollen in the air, because I am also getting sore throats, etc. Too bad, I'll miss being able to churn my own butter. TM> Is he - could he be allergic to something ? Dust, pollen, TM> mites, certain foods. Dairy products are very common offenders. TM> So are legumes, so are nuts, so are various fruits. There is a family history of allergies, asthma, etc.... TM> surgical treatments. Nor would I want to load him down with TM> pills and their usually undesirable side effects (drowsiness, dry They don't work and, I've found, aggravate the problem. Take care Sarah ... Exercise your right to arm and keep bears! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Dragon's Lair BBS (1:3404/143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00045Date: 06/19/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 09:42am \/To: JASON HUFF (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: A Drink Or 2 A Day JH>BM> JK> you would know that there is some genetic protection against alcohol JH>BM> JK> that the Native Americans have had it only for the past 2-300 years, JH>JK> WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!! The reason that there is JH>JK> such a high rate of alcoholism among the Native Americans is that the JH>JK> whites introduced alcohol to them along with smallpox and cavalry JH>JK> bullets. JH>that first part you say there is some genetic protection for native JH>americans, JH>but they currently do, and always have had a problem with alcohol. and i JH>don't understand your rebuttal to Bob's comment at all. how does the whites JH>introducing alcohol have anything at all to do with their supposed genetic JH>protection? I took out some of the verbage and left the salient points. If a group has only had alcohol in its culture for the past 2-300 years, it hasn't had time to build up any racial immunity to it. For example, we have no racial immunity to cocaine or heroin, two drugs which are being used to bring our nation down. The white race has had alcohol for less time than the orientals who have had it for thousands of years. That is why they tend to have the most immunity TO THEIR OWN FORMS OF THE STUFF! If they get into alcohol made from grains they are not used to, then they also get into trouble. The Jews have had alcohol for many years also and most are immune to the disease. They also use it moderately. JH>i'll look forward to reading your reply, and clearing things up for me. If this doesn't work, let me know. * SLMR 2.1a * Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00046Date: 06/19/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 09:42am \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: Acupuncture WY> JK> By several months of mild insults back and forth between Alan and WY> JK> myself. He is British, and respects something that can fight back t WY> JK> him, incidently. WY>You wrote this before reading the later batch of messages? WY> JK> Not at all like some of the males we have here. Alan and I have gone round and round and will continue to do so. He doesn't believe in what I have studied for close to 30 years now which throws his calculations off on many things. One day he is going to either die without knowing or wake up from the same kind of sleep that Rip Van Winkle found himself in. WY>Maybe Bob wouldn't put his head in the sands when he is corrected WY>which maybe a better measure of respects and maturaty? :) There are others who are just hopeless. * SLMR 2.1a * All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here. --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255)