--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00017Date: 06/15/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:27am \/To: JASON HUFF (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Soy Products JASON HUFF was thinking about Re: Soy Products and keyed into cyberspace: JH>Well, I'm new here, so I thought I might as well just jump on in JH>somewhere. JH>MP> JK>I have a rather nasty sense of humor at times, not the usual JH>MP> JK>jolly type that folks who have not had it rough as a kid JH>MP> develop. JH>MP> Well, many had it very rough as a kid, and still have a robust JH>MP> sense of humor. We used it to survive. So, I guess you did not JH>MP> survive.********* JH>i think most people haven't had the "ideal" childhood, and some of us JH>have had is worse than others, and yes, it does make some of us JH>cynical, but like you said, we develop a good sense of humor as a JH>survival technique. those that didn't, well, i feel for them, and JH>maybe they should talk to someone to help them get over whatever JH>happened. you can only blame your parents for so much, remember that JH>after you turn 18, you are an adult, and no longer have to deal with JH>those who ruined your childhood. Where did blaming parents come into it? I do not blame my parents. Both of my parents were children of the Holocaust, and the long term readers of this conference know who I feel is accountable. However, I do not wallow in it, and I got on with my life. Like my parents tried to do. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00018Date: 06/15/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 02:36pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: More On Add JANE KELLEY was thinking about More On Add and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>JK>(Dr. Smith has written several books on the care and feeding of JK>MP>JK>hyperactive children and adults.) JK>MP>JK> Of the approximately 6,000 hyperactive children Dr. Smith has JK>MP>JK> treated, 80 percent get better just by changing their diet JK>MP>JK> and taking vitamins. He is a pioneer in the field of food JK>MP>JK> sensitivities and child behavior. JK>MP>This is not scientific in the slightest way. There was no control JK>MP>group, nor did "Dr." Smith have any means to screen out for JK>MP>non-compliance, Hawthorne or placebo effect. JK>There are plenty of control groups. They are the kids who don't get JK>the kind of treatment Dr. Smith provided. Scientific research requires the use of control groups to validate the findings. It continually amazes me how who believe salescreeps over scientists. JK>Thousands of them. Kids who get stuck on Ritalin instead. Kids whose parents have weighed the evidence, and observed the results. Parents who know that if they fail to treat the disorder properly, they are dooming their kids to lives of failure. Your knowledge of ADHD is only surpassed by your knowledge of Down Syndrome (and we all know from a recent message of yours that you know nothing about Down Syndrome). ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00019Date: 06/15/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 02:53pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Alcoholics JANE KELLEY was thinking about Alcoholics and keyed into cyberspace: JK>BM> Well it has skipped at least 4 generations on my side and at JK>BM> least 3 on my wife's side yet we produced a child with ADHD. JK>BM> Explain if you can those kids who have ADD/ADHD where there is JK>BM> no, zero, zip history of alcoholism going as far back as the JK>BM> Sarah Constant... JK>According to the paper I laboriously typed in for you, Dr. Charles JK>Bates, in Olympia WA would say this is due to food allergies. Any JK>history of that in the kid's family tree? But ADHD has been shown not to be caused by food allergies. In fact, the diagnostic method promulgated by ADHD experts, and sanctioned by DSM III specifically require that any other possible cause of the behavior be ruled out. IOW, a kid with ADHD has already been shown not to have allergies. ADHD is what is "leftover" when everything else is ruled out. Don't you get it? This is the 10 E10 time I have told you this. JK>BM> I'll also remind you that, not even once have I claimed to be an JK>BM> expert in alcoholism. JK>Since at least 20% of all those you will meet in your lifetime are JK>impacted by this disease, it is advisable that anyone who works with JK>people know something about it. The doorman in my friends building in NYC works with people, should he? What about veterinarians? Dog groomers? ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00020Date: 06/15/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 02:57pm \/To: FRANK STARR (Read 2 times) Subj: re:Blackouts, Peter Duesb FRANK STARR was thinking about re:Blackouts, Peter Duesb and keyed into cyberspace: FS> Thanks for your suggestions for my mother-in-law. She is 85 FS>currently. Spiritually going on 35 :+>. FS> Found out that I was mispelling Duesberg. The web site is FS>WWW.DUESBERG.COM, vs WWW.DEUSBERG.COM. The web site has a lot of FS>info. I guess there are a lot of allopathics here. Hope more FS>open to naturopathy as time goes on. Mark Probert seemed to feel that FS>Mr. Duesberg wa fraud merely because the patients he presented as FS>AIDS-free still had physical body damage. No, I know he is a fraud because the patients he presented were actively dying. They had active Karposi sarcoma lesions and he actually said that they weren't. Duesberg is a murderer. And do not buy his drivel at his website. Read up on him in other venues. I submit that purging a FS>virus would take less time than rebuilding a disease-ravaged body. If FS>the allopathic blood tests for AIDS weren't flawed, submitting one of FS>Mr. Duesberg's cured patients to such a test could bring proof. But, FS>there are so many false positives to those tests, they are worthless, FS>so far as I am concerned. I'm not sure Dr. Duesberg's cures FS>wouldn't qualify as Alt Med. They aren't allopathic, I don't think. FS>Gary Null has naturopathically reversed and cured AIDS. His latest FS>audio cassette series on the disease lists several peer review FS>journals citing false positives in the AIDS blood tests. His first FS>series lists a few alternative therapies. No one has ever cured a viral disease. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00021Date: 06/16/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 09:49am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! JANE KELLEY was thinking about Ultimate Jane-ism! and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>JK>MP>Document this, Janey, document this. JK>MP>JK>Cannot document what is learned in empiracle medicine, Mark. JK>MP>JK>You should know that by now. JK>MP>I know that. I just wanted you to admit that you have no real JK>proof. JK>And speaking of documentation, one of the other subjects I comment on JK>is diet. I have so much around this room piled up that I literally JK>don't know where some of it is today. I ran across this just a few JK>minutes ago when looking for a legal size file folder from a JK>newsletter dated October 1986, published by the WELL MIND ASSOCIATON JK>that once was in Seattle. It was most probably written by Sally JK>Rockwell, the nutritionist associated with that group: JK>ANTISOCIAL BEHAVOR & NUTRITION JK>Four theories of nutrition's efffect upon behavior and brain function JK>deal with (1) neurotransmitters, (2) malnutrition, (3) hypoglycemia, JK>and (4) food additives and preservatives. These theories and research JK>to support them were reviewed at the 2nd International Nutritional JK>Medicine Conference in San Francisco, February 1968, by Walter E. JK>Doraz, Ph.D., and Stephen J. Schoentahler, Ph.D, and coordinator, JK>Criminal Justice, California State University. JK>According to the neurotransmitter theory, in order for the brain to JK>work properly, electrical signals sent to the ends of the nerve must JK>pass over a gap to the next nerve, and they are transmitted by a JK>chemical or neurotransmitter stored at the end of the nerve. JK>Sufficient release of the neurotransmitter is necessary for the JK>signal to go from one nerve to another. If there are sufficient JK>simple sugars in the system producing the amino acid tryptophane, the JK>neurotransmitter serotonin will be released allowing messages to pass JK>over the gap from one nerve to the other, calming or slowing down the JK>body. Without sufficient nutrients the neurons do not fire properly JK>and the functioning of the brain is impaired. Consequently behavior JK>is affected. JK>The malnutrition theory contends that a person's diet needs to JK>contain the proper micronutrients to recharge the nerve after it has JK>transmitted a signal. This is done by the body's converting glucose JK>into energy and involves large amounts of vitamins and minerals. The JK>hypoglycemia theory states that a specific nutrient deficiency of JK>lack of glucose in the brain brought about by a poor diet may cause JK>behavioral problems. The last theory suggests that food additives and JK>preservatives may retard absorption of essential nutrients or bind JK>with these nutrients making them unusable. JK>Three research studies back up the malnutrition theory. Research JK>with 60,000 juvenile delinquents in ten institutions indicated that a JK>modified diet produced 47% - 54% lower rate of antisocial behavior. JK>In several studies researchers found they could correctly predict JK>behavior by charting the levels of fat, magnesium, zinc and iron. JK>High anger best correlated with institutional antisocial behavior. JK>Tension, depression, fatigue and confusion also inversely correlated JK>with nutrient levels. When kids in this study were given multiple JK>vitamin/minerals at the RDA level, the malnourished kids with JK>problems changed and did as well as the well nourished ones. Among JK>those individuals with high antisocial behavior, magnesium levels JK>were one third lower than what they should have been--down 60% from JK>the RDAs. Improper nutrition can affect many things. However, it does not cause ADHD, unless you want to incorrectly claim that ADHD is an antisocial behavior. JK>In a study of 803 public schools, an increase in national percentile JK>rank of academic performance on the California achievement test was JK>noted after significant diet changes. Those schools which inproved JK>the most had the highest percentage of students buying school JK>lunches. When the study started, there were 120,000 enrolled as JK>learning disabled children. After improvement in school meals that JK>number dropped to 49,000. School meals in the 1980's were making kids sick to their stomachs. The food was rotten, often old and decomposing, and I would expect that they had problems. Was the study funded by those companies who supply school lunches? Your citation does not allow it to be tracked down. JK>Sources for research of above report: JK>1. Diet and crime studies in Vol 5 #2, "Biosocial Research; JK>2. Analysis of Diet and Crime studies in May/June "Nutrition Today" JK>and rebuttal to appear Dec. 1986; JK>3. "Nutrition and Brain Function", Plenum Press, December 1986. Anything a bit newer? Aren't you the one who whines about how out of date a 1991 study is? ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00022Date: 06/16/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 09:56am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Fda Acts JANE KELLEY was thinking about Fda Acts and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MU>-> The FDA will be imposing restrictions on the sale of products JK>MU>-> containing ephedrine as the uncontrolled consumption of this JK>MU>-> potent drug has resulted in 18 deaths and over 800 serious JK>MU>-> injuries requiring JK>MU>-> hospitalization. JK>You wrote: JK>MU>Yup, and cutting into the phen-fen etc. market, just like JK>MU>tryptophan had to go when "they" realized it was cutting into JK>MU>sales of some psychotropic meds. In another year or two, St. JK>MU>John's Wort may be declared too dangerous for us to consume. Then JK>MU>someone will have to figure out how to make Rescue Remedy sound JK>MU>potentially letha. JK>I can get around the lack of refined tryptophan by eating turkey (it JK>worked only too well in cocaine withdrawal, and if I remember JK>correctly, wasn't it during the Reagan/Bush era that tryptophan was JK>banned?) Yet North and his pals were allowed to flood the nation JK>with cocaine and pardoned by Reagan after being convicted. JK>Does start to make one wonder, doesn't it? I wonder if your knowledge of history is gained from taking hard history courses where you sat on hard chairs. It seems to be about the equivalent of your know of Down Syndrome, to name just one thing. Non- existent. North flooded the nation with cocaine? Have you ever heard of the Calle Cartel and the Medellin Cartel? And, just for completeness, how about an exact date of that pardon. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00023Date: 06/16/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 10:18pm \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: lucy WAYNE YOUNG was thinking about lucy and keyed into cyberspace: WY> -=> Quoting Alan Fletcher to Mark Probert <=- WY> AF> You wrote to Wayne: WY> WY> > WY>Think about THAT again! WY> > WY>Did you borrow your data base from Alan? WY> WY> > No, personal experience, US State Department briefings, and, if WY> > you have a decent library near you, try to get your hands on a WY> > book about eh KGB. I suggest "Tower of Secrets" by a KGB LtC who WY> > defected in one of the finest intelligence operations conducted by WY> > the CIA. WY> AF> I used to work for the Foreign Office....but that was not enough WY> AF> for Wayne. WY>OK, Alan, how long ago and what did you do? WY>In the same relative position as you are with doctors? :) WY> > WY>You will never find a more cohesive group of people than the WY> > WY>Jewish people. The only group that come close is the Japanese. WY> > WY>So don't say they are individualistic. WY> WY> > I am Jewish. You are so wrong. I wish you were right. But you are WY> > not. One group of Orthodox Rabbis just declared my brand of WY> > Judaism, non- Judaism. Is THAT cohesive? WY> AF> He knows just about as much about the Jews as he does about WY> AF> Marxism, Communism and homosexuals. ;-) WY>Don't tell me you're falling for that line, are you? WY>If the Rabbis are/were against him, you know he's an outcast. No, Wayne, you failed at reading comprehension. I never said that I was an outcast. My mistake was assuming that you were somewhat informed about Judaism, as you had made a comment about Jews. I was wrong in my assumption. You had stated your opinion that Judaism was monolithic. What I pointed out was that there is a schism in Judaism where the ultra-Orthodox have stated a position that unless Judaism is practiced according to their beliefs, then the person is not a Jew. The branch of Judaism I belong to (i.e., my brand of Judaism) which is Reform, is one of the branches that the ultra-Orthodox have targeted. That is what happened. If you have anything to post to the contrary, please do so. If not.... WY>He also claimed to be an ex-KGB by inference, did you buy that WY>too? And what do you know about Marxism, let alone the other two? No, I did not claim to be ex-KGB either directly or by inference. I had worked for the US State Department on several occasions, and had been assigned to Moscow. As part of each assignment, I was briefed by the State Department as to the political and diplomatic climate and what to expect when I lived there. I referred you to a book, written by a ex-KGB LtC. for further information on the topic we were discussing (the "opiate of the people" according to Marx). You chose to twist and blatantly mischaracterize what I said. That is clearly intellectually dishonest. And you criticize me for not using my licensed version of CMPQwk. Can you say hypocrite? Try it. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00024Date: 06/08/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:33pm \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: Adhd WAYNE YOUNG was thinking about Adhd and keyed into cyberspace: WY> -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Wayne Young <=- WY> MP> We know Jane's. Debunked salescritters, boxes of uncataloged WY> MP> papers, and a nursing education in the 1940's. WY>And still has the vigor and spirits to share at 69! WY> MP> What's yours? Mine has been posted. So, what is your experience with ADHD? Got any? If you really want to shut me up, a straight answer works best. You are "straight", aren't you? ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00025Date: 06/09/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 04:51pm \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 2 times) Subj: ACUPUNCTURE BOB MOYLAN was thinking about ACUPUNCTURE and keyed into cyberspace: BM>Jane Kelley (On 31 May 97) was overheard expounding to Alan Fletcher BM>JK> AF> they had stuck to treating the wounded and otherwise injured, BM>JK> AF> or concentrated on prevention and maintaning health rather BM>JK> AF> than on illnesses...they really could have earned themselves BM>JK> AF> some respect. Thanks to the efforts of both the nurses and BM>JK> AF> their peers, hospitals are now the most likely place for a BM>JK> AF> human to get almost any infection. BM> JK> Bull. Again, speak for your own nation, not for others. BM> Read any recent stats on the prevalence of staph infections acquired BM> in U.S. hospitals?? BM> JK> Your statements seem to reflect your general opinion of women BM> JK> as some sort of servants for males such as yourself as most BM> JK> nurses are women. BM> I'd thought it no longer possible for you to amaze me with the leaps BM> and bounds your imagination can take...how did you come to that BM> astounding conclusion? Jane was a gold medalist Logic Leaping in the '96 Olympics. That is, the 1896 Olympics. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00026Date: 06/10/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:29am \/To: DIA SPRIGGS (Read 2 times) Subj: Genetic Religion??!!!! WAYNE YOUNG was thinking about Genetic Religion??!!!! and keyed into cyberspace: WY> -=> Quoting Stephen Bowyer to Wayne Young <=- WY> SB> pretend that your netmail came into the ALTMED echo just by WY> SB> chance, you are so sad. WY> WY>Really SAD for a "SysOp" who couldn't comprehend what happen. WY> WY>Just go back to your closet and don't tell me your sad life! WY>Talk to a queer like yourself for comfort. Dia, would you tolerate the use of nigger, kike, bitch (as a substitute for woman), dago, wop, kraut, etc.? If not, then why do you tolerate the use of the word queer? ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110)