--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00007Date: 06/14/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 03:04pm \/To: MEG UMANS (Read 2 times) Subj: Blackouts; Peter Duseberg MEG UMANS was thinking about Blackouts; Peter Duseberg and keyed into cyberspace: MU>-> Oh, one more little factoid about this swine. he is supported MU>-> financially by the fundamentalist religious right in the US. MU>Never heard that, and am not surprised. Thanks, Mark - this will be MU>useful information for people who find Duesberg's theories not only MU>sensible but accurate. Duesberg has been on the "700 Club" for one thing. I have a friend in RIME who is a serious hawk on the guy. If you want more, I can get it. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00008Date: 06/14/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 03:07pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Adhd JANE KELLEY was thinking about Adhd and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>JK>Finding a virus is just about an impossible job. They are very, JK>MP>JK>very tiny when compared to other microbes. I had a researcher JK>MP>JK>as a patient one time at Swedish who told me what had to be JK>MP>JK>done. It is worse than looking for a needle in a haystack! At JK>MP>JK>least the needle can be seen. JK>MP>Jane, I deal with a virus every day. Your information is woefully JK>MP>out of date. The use of various types of electron microscopes, JK>MP>etc. has made the job quite easy. JK>I was told that the virus itself isn't seen, the "shadow" it makes JK>is. If this is now untrue, what is? And why does it still take a long JK>time to find any "new" virus? It is an electron image. Sort of like a "shadow". As for finding a new virus, I have no solid experience. My bugs are well known, and really are easy to find. They are quite plentiful. However, to find a new virus, you first have to find a location where they might be. The area scanned by a e-scope is so small it makes anything, even the area scanned, hard to find. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00009Date: 06/14/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 03:08pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 2 times) Subj: lucy ALAN FLETCHER was thinking about lucy and keyed into cyberspace: AF> Hi Mark, AF> You wrote to Wayne: AF> > WY>Think about THAT again! AF> > WY>Did you borrow your data base from Alan? AF> > No, personal experience, US State Department briefings, and, if AF> > you have a decent library near you, try to get your hands on a AF> > book about eh KGB. I suggest "Tower of Secrets" by a KGB LtC who AF> > defected in one of the finest intelligence operations conducted by AF> > the CIA. AF> I used to work for the Foreign Office....but that was not enough for AF> Wayne. AF> > WY>You will never find a more cohesive group of people than the AF> > WY>Jewish people. The only group that come close is the Japanese. AF> > WY>So don't say they are individualistic. AF> > I am Jewish. You are so wrong. I wish you were right. But you are AF> > not. One group of Orthodox Rabbis just declared my brand of AF> > Judaism, non- Judaism. Is THAT cohesive? AF> He knows just about as much about the Jews as he does about Marxism, AF> Communism and homosexuals. ;-) Alan, could you email me? ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00010Date: 06/14/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 03:52pm \/To: MEG UMANS (Read 2 times) Subj: FDA Acts MEG UMANS was thinking about FDA Acts and keyed into cyberspace: MU>-> The FDA will be imposing restrictions on the sale of products MU>-> containing ephedrine as the uncontrolled consumption of this MU>-> potent drug has resulted in 18 deaths and over 800 serious MU>-> injuries requiring MU>-> hospitalization. MU>Yup, and cutting into the phen-fen etc. market, just like tryptophan MU>had to go when "they" realized it was cutting into sales of some MU>psychotropic meds. In another year or two, St. John's Wort may be MU>declared too dangerous for us to consume. Then someone will have to MU>figure out how to make Rescue Remedy sound potentially letha. Right. And let's just ignore the fact that there were people dropping dead in the L-tryptophan fiasco and that there have been 18 deaths and over 800 reportable events due to ephedrine use. Do you know what a "reportable event" is? I do. It is where some form of life support is required or where a persons blood pressure exceeds a certain level due to the ingestion of some substance. IOW, if medical attention was not received, there could have been over 800 additional deaths. So, lets pass around some fairy tale fantasy about something cutting into profits and forget people are dropping dead. Sure. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00011Date: 06/14/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 03:57pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Adhd JANE KELLEY was thinking about Adhd and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>JK>He never was a student nurse in a school led by two of the JK>MP>JK>graduates from the old Army School of Nursing. I was. JK>MP>JK>I can assure you we were well aware of the history, attitudes, JK>MP>JK>and actions of those who came before us. JK>MP>A bit pompous, eh, Jane. JK>Actually it was very much understated. You weren't a student nurse JK>with two of the Army School of Nursing graduates, either. Had you JK>been, you would understand that at one time this was the top of the JK>pyramid as far as nursing schools on the east coast were concerned, JK>and we were never allowed to forget it. Well, Jane, I did want to go to nursing school. The problem was that I look all pasty and pale in white. I prefer my nice green biohazard suit any day. It matches my eyes. :) ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00012Date: 06/14/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 03:59pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! JANE KELLEY was thinking about Ultimate Jane-ism! and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>JK>Cannot document what is learned in empiracle medicine, Mark. JK>MP>JK>You should know that by now. JK>MP>I know that. I just wanted you to admit that you have no real JK>proof. JK>MP>Thanks. :) JK>MP> ===>The Voice of Reason<=== JK>MP> mark.probert@juno.com JK>All of alternative medicine is based on empiracle medicine, Mark. And, accordingly, alternative medicine is not "factual". Thus, you have no proof of your Jane-isms. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00013Date: 06/14/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 04:00pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Genetic Religion??!!! JANE KELLEY was thinking about Genetic Religion??!!! and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>JK>AF> If around 10% of the human population is said to be JK>MP>JK>AF> homosexual or lesbian...why not a similar figure for cows? JK>MP>JK>AF> But when it comes to copulation and fertilization of JK>MP>JK>AF> course..cows don't have much of a choice. ;-) JK>MP>JK>Bulls cost too much to keep around just to please a cow. The JK>MP>JK>same homosexual behavior is seen in women who are locked up for JK>MP>JK>any length of time under certain conditions. We just don't JK>MP>JK>talk about that. JK>MP>JK>Just as we don't talk about what sailors did on wooden sailing JK>ships. JK>MP>Is that why there were so many knotholes? JK>My implication was that knotholes weren't necessary. You are definitely humor-challenged. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00014Date: 06/14/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 04:03pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 2 times) Subj: A fact or two.... ALAN FLETCHER was thinking about A fact or two.... and keyed into cyberspace: AF> Hi Mark, AF> You wrote to Bob, AF> > My youngest son, and you know his situation, has a classmate whose AF> > is a foster child. The child's birth "parents" failed to have the AF> > child immunized against polio because they believed the whacko AF> > conspiracy nuts about the CDC, AMA, FDA, etc. The child cannot AF> > walk. A tragic impact on such a small life. AF> I, for example, am not a whacko conspiracy nut as I believe that AF> every parent who believes in innoculations should go out and get AF>their child or children innoculated. OTOH, the statistics in both AF>Europe and the U.S.A. tell a very different story for every disease AF>which has been innoculated against over the past few decades. Every AF> graph shows a plunging curve (more like a straight line) which AF> was nearly down to negligible (in comparison) before any public AF> innoculation programs were started. If a curve (or straight line) AF> plunges for about 9 tenths of its length (i.e. to the point where AF> innoculation was first introduced) is there any reason to believe AF> that it will not continue down to zero without innoculation? I AF> don't think so. In fact many of the curves actually showed a AF> slight hiccup upwards shortly after innoculation programs were AF> introduced (you said you had a copy of Sagan I believe). I AF> personally am still convinced that innoculations were and still AF> are one of the biggest allopathic "hypes" in history. There is AF> a growing number of people here in Germany who also share this AF> opinion and I have not yet heard of one instance where someone AF> has regretted it. IOW..the trend downwards is certainly (as all AF> statistics show quite dramatically) not the result of innoculation AF> but IN SPITE OF IT. To put it another way, diseases like polio AF> are disappearing in modern countries because of one (or more) AF> other factors. Alan, I have been to refugee camps in Asia, the Middle East and Africa. Disease is rampant because of the fact that sanitation is non-existent. When reasonable sanitary controls are in place, the incidence of disease goes down significantly. HOWEVER, and that is a BIG HOWEVER, that is not enough. Vaccination is required, as that is one means by which some immunity is established. It is a combination of many things which wiped out smallpox, and vaccination was one of them. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00015Date: 06/14/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 04:09pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 2 times) Subj: Blackouts; Peter Duseberg ALAN FLETCHER was thinking about Blackouts; Peter Duseberg and keyed into cyberspace: AF> Hi Mark, AF> > I have met Dr. Duesberg. I was with a doctor friend of mine who is AF> > head of AIDS research and treatment at a large teaching hospital AF> > near my home. Duesberg had several of his "patients" with him. AF> > They claimed to be AIDS free. He agreed. AF> > There was no question that he is either a lieing bastard or AF> > totally blind. These people had numerous skin lesions which are AF> > virtually pathoneumonic for AIDS. They showed advanced body AF> > wasting and had virtually no body fat. AF> The question is...when did Duesberg start treating them? It has AF>already been demonstrated (also in your country) that AIDS sufferers AF>who merely believe that AIDS is not fatal actually live longer than AF>those treated with medication (and some are still alive I believe). Two were on the three drug cocktail and doing well. Gaining weight. More energy. However, they were convinced by that bastard that they were hurting themselves. I have seen enough people die in my lifetime to know someone is going to be dead shortly. Both of these patients had the aura of death. One appeared to be totally devoid of any subcutaneous fat. The other one nearly so. I have seen people starve to death. They looked similar. Both had skin lesions. AF> > I am certain that Duesberg is murdering these people. AF> If this guy (or anybody) manages to prolong the lives of AIDS AF> sufferers longer than current medicine then they can not be called AF> murderers. Even the pharma industry which still is not so successful AF> can not be called murderers. How can you call anyone who is trying AF>to do something against an otherwise fatal disease a murderer? The AF> murderers are those who choose to pump more money into applied AF> research (OK for the pharma industry but not for a government) AF> rather than basic research on the actual causes. He is not prolonging any lives. He is doing the lecture circuit. For $$. AF> > As for his"research" it has been totally debunked. You just have AF> > to look for the documents and understand how he is playing with AF> > your mind. Do a web search on Duesberg. Read everything. I did. AF> So did I..and it has not yet been debunked. By whom? I did an ALTAVISTA search about a year ago. There were several sites with files showing how he's been debunked. If you have MEDLINE access, check there. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00016Date: 06/15/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:24am \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: Genetic Religion??!!!! WAYNE YOUNG was thinking about Genetic Religion??!!!! and keyed into cyberspace: WY> -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Dia Spriggs <=- WY> MP> ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! WY>Obviously not enough for you, having so much childish delight in WY>quoting it over and over!! WY>Was that the way you cry to your mother?? WY>You never grew up, did you? I grew up enough to abide by the host's rules. WY> MP> ===>The Voice of Reason<=== WY>Voice of a crying baby at age 50 if a day! The voice of a person who, unlike you, honored the request of the conference host and had dropped the subject of homosexuality. You OTOH, persisted in your homophobia, and posted deriding epithets. WY>That says it all, doesn't it, crying old immature baby?? I grew up many years ago. I was taught by my parents that when you are in someone's house (conference) you abide by their requests. WY>Drink your milk and go to sleep. If it weren't so sad, you would be pathetic. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110)