--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAM00030Date: 06/16/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 01:13am \/To: TERRY RICKS (Read 2 times) Subj: Virus Hi Terry, >> Hi Wayne, >> >>> AF> This is where I would butt in. NOBODY (and certainly not you guys n >>> AF> the biolabs) has ever yet proven exactly what a virus is and does. > Alright Alan, I'm going to butt in here! You are most certainly welcome Terry! > A virus is an obligate intracellular parasite. A buzzword maybe....but true according to state-of-the-art knowledge. IOW a virus is an opportunistic cell parasite. > It's bio-chemical make up includes one of four > forms of nucleic acid: single stranded DNA, double stranded DNA, single > stranded RNA, or double stranded RNA. The nucleic acid is contained > inside All true according to state-of-the-art knowledge..but where is this knowledge getting us?....absolutely nowhere Terry. So where do we (you) go from here? Do you seriously believe that you may someday develop a means (other than our own immune system) of destroying viruses? Does your research concentrate on improving/strengthening the immune system? > Terry A. Ricks, B.S., M.S., R.S. > Istructor of Microbiology, > San Antonio College, San Antonio, Texas So you are at a college Terry....what would industry expect of you when you leave? I am surrounded by a couple of hundred of you guys (a few are also good friends of mine) and it is enlightening to hear their own goals in life (rather than the goals of their peers). There are many people in this world who need to think about what they are doing...for whom..and why. Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAM00031Date: 06/16/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 11:05pm \/To: SARAH DURIS (Read 2 times) Subj: Ear Candling Hi Sarah, One of the main causes of secretory otitis media in young children is the consumption of cow's milk and dairy products derived from it. All children are allergic to it to varying degrees and respond with the production of excess mucous. Ear, nose and throat infections in children as a result are certainly not natural as many seem to believe. The high frequency of such infections in children in the past (mostly due to cow's milk) led to many a child (mistakenly but good for the profits of the medical profession) having his or her tonsils removed. The tonsils are lymph nodes (guardians if you like) and belong to the lymphatic system (the same goes for the appendix BTW). They ensure that an infection remains a local issue rather than flooding the body. In addition, it is also known that they actually excrete bateria from the bloodstream (diphtheria bacteria being the best known example, as well as bacteria from ear, nose and throat and upper respiratory infections..as well as dental infections (in teeth where the nerve has been destroyed by dental treatment). A sign that they are working and warning is when they swell up and have a yellow tip (mistaken in the past for an infection). A real tonsilitis, OTOH, is quite rare and extremely painful and certainly dangerous. Hopi candles are mumbo-jumbo in my opinion...they may bring slight relief (as does warm oil in the ear) but they are certainly not a cure for the complaint. Bahna Sami L., M.D. et al.: "Allergies to Milk", New York, Grune & Stratton, 1980. "Cow's Milk Allergy, Pathogenesis, Manifestations, Diagnoses and Management", in "Advances In Pediatrics", Vol. 25, 1978 Buisseret, P. D.: "Common Manifestations of Cow's Milk Allergy in Children", Lancet, Vol 1, 11th Feb. 1974, page 304. Gerrard J. W. et al.: "Milk Allergy, Clinical Picture and Familial Incidence", Canadian Medical Association Journal, Vol. 97, 23rd Sept. 1967, page 780. Murray A. B.: "Infant Feeding and Respiratory Allergy", Lancet, Vol. 1, 6th March 1971, page 497. Tommori J. et al. "Study of the Frequency of Cow's Milk in the Families of Milk-Allergic and Asthmatic Children" in "Acta Allergol", Vol. 28, July 1973, page 107. If you should decide to avoid the use of antibiotics in the first instance and merely stop the child consuming cow's milk, be aware that the condition may get slightly worse at first (the detox stage which usually lasts about a week) before it starts to get better. If the condition does not improve after about three weeks at the most (which would surprise me), then you have no choice but to consult your doc and get an antibiotic prescription (which may seem to "cure" the complaint but may well not work at all if the child continues consuming the "cause"....after all..you can not take antibiotics forever). Best regards (and let us know how your son fares), Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAM00032Date: 06/16/97 From: ALAN FLETCHER Time: 11:17pm \/To: MEG UMANS (Read 2 times) Subj: FDA Acts Hi Meg, You wrote to Mark: >-> The FDA will be imposing restrictions on the sale of products >-> containing ephedrine as the uncontrolled consumption of this potent >-> drug has resulted in 18 deaths and over 800 serious injuries >-> requiring >-> hospitalization. > Yup, and cutting into the phen-fen etc. market, just like tryptophan had > to go when "they" realized it was cutting into sales of some > psychotropic meds. In another year or two, St. John's Wort may be > declared too dangerous for us to consume. Then someone will have to > figure out how to make Rescue Remedy sound potentially letha. This is going on because many wild plants contain dangerous substances which are foolishly being used to treat symptoms rather than to cure anything (only the body itself can cure anything). Allopathic medicines are still largely based on natural plant ingredients and thus anyone who uses the same remedies is certainly not ALTMED but totally ALLOPATHIC. Just because they happen to be called Ma Huang or whatever (sounds Chinese and mystical) can not disguise the fact that many plants are unsuitable for human consumption (and they usually taste so vile or burn your tongue etc. in their natural form to warn you of this). I am slowly beginning to realise that the U.S./Canadian definition of ALTMED is more allopathic than I thought (at least with the exception of the Natural Hygiene Society over there). ALTMED, at least to me, is helping the body to help itself, not feeding it with some obscure plant substance which treats symptoms by laming some bodily function or other or mimicking some natural hormone etc.. Best regards, Alan --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Bear's Cave (2:2461/161.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00000Date: 06/17/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 04:25am \/To: ALAN HESS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: No "Red Indians" here On 06-10-97 21:40, Alan Hess typed to Ty Meissner regarding: => No "Red Indians" here ! <= Hello Alan, AH> Whilst masticating on , Ty Meissner (1:161/910) AH> wrote to Alan Fletcher: TM> Many of my indigenous American friends like to refer to TM> themselves as "Native Americans." AH> Wasn't it the Europeans who named this continent "America" who also AH> called the indigenous inhabitants "Indians?" Very true. Some of my indigenous friends don't like themselves Americans at all, but most of my friends accept their situation with a lot of grace and very little bitterness and considerthemselves part of the greater community, hence "indigenous Americans." Ty Ty Meissner E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. -- Peter Spiro ... America 1997: "Livin' in the wasteland of the free." - Iris Dement ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00001Date: 06/17/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 08:22am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: marijuana [1/3] >>> Part 1 of 3... -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Alex Vasauskas <=- AV>Actually, marijuana can have significant health benefits. This AV>is why states have passed laws permitting medicinal marijuana use. AV>Moreover, using marijuana is not a significant health hazard. AV>Here is a synopsis by the Norml Foundation of a study AV>entitled "Marijuana Use and Mortality". The report of the study AV>appeared in the April 1997 issue of the _American Journal of AV>Public Health_: JK> And I can find more information to the contrary. AV>Assuming that you can, I would be surprised if it's competent: JK> Your attitude won't change the facts, nor will the so-called JK> "experts" who want to keep using their drug of choice. JK> I do have some papers and books around here on this subject, AV>I have seen the evidence regarding your purported plethora of AV>authorities -- it is as substantial as Joe McCarthy's list of AV>names of communists. If you spent as much time typing up what you AV>claim to have as you have spent typing your proclamations regarding AV>its existence, you would by now have it available to upload for AV>others to review by a simple import command. JK> I'm not responsible for your lack of knowledge on subjects JK> I've spent 50 years accumulating. JK> I suggest you go find a copy of the DSM IV, the official JK> manual of mental illnesses in this nation, and find out what JK> it says in it about marijuana. That is, if you want the truth JK> instead of whatever your peers tell you is so. Many people with 50 years of experience have only one year of experience repeated 50 times. You have no knowledge regarding what I know or who my peers are, and my making representations regarding what I know wouldn't make any difference because (like your purported credentials) there is no way to check their validity here. This is why I have relied upon presenting information that can be publicly checked. Moreover, even if your representation of your background is true, there is no way to know your credibility. In fact, during your participation in various echoes on fidonet you have not provided anything other than evidence that you are a person with his/her own personal opinion and agenda. You drop the names of authorities without specific citation, and if your opinion is supported by authoritative resources in any way, it is supported only by reading for the parts of such resources (such as DSM IV) that agree with your view and ignoring the parts that don't support your agenda. It is not surprising that your personal opinion is contrary to authorities like the American Public Health Association which relies upon current research and is interested in developing the truth about marijuana: The American Public Health Association's Endorsement on Medical Marijuana In November of 1995, the American Public Health Association, the oldest and largest organization of health care professionals in the world, overwhelmingly adopted a resolution urging lawmakers to make marijuana legally available as a medicine for seriously ill patients. The APHA represents more than 50,000 members and has been effectively influencing policies and setting priorities in public health since 1872. APHA is one of the first major American public health associations to formally recommend using marijuana as a medicine: ===Begin=== The American Public Health Association, Being aware that cannabis/marijuana has been used medicinally for centuries and that cannabis products were widely prescribed by physicians in the United Stares until 1937 [1,2] and Being aware that "marijuana" prohibition began with the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 under false claims despite disagreeing testimony from the AMA's representative; [3,4] and Being further aware that the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 completely prohibited all medicinal use of marijuana by placing it in the most restrictive category of Schedule I, whereby drugs must meet three criteria for placement in this category: 1) have no therapeutic value, 2) are not safe for medical use, and 3) have a high abuse potential; [5] and Being cognizant that the Drug Enforcement Administration's own administrative law judge ruled in 1988 that marijuana must be removed from Schedule I and made available for physicians to prescribe: [6-8] and >>> Continued to next message... ___ X Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 X --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Who's Askin'? 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Knowing that 36 states have passed legislation recognizing marijuana's therapeutic value; [9,10] and Also knowing that the only available access to legal marijuana which was through the Food and Drug Administration' s Investigational New Drug Program has been closed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services since 1992; [11] and Understanding that while synthetic Tetrahydrocannibinol (THC) is available in pill form, it is only one of approximately 60 cannabinoids which may have medicinal value individually or in some combination; and Understanding that marijuana has an extremely wide acute margin of safety for use under medical supervision and cannot cause lethal reactions; [6, 32, 34] and Understanding that marijuana has been reported to be effective in: a) reducing intraocular pressure in glaucoma; [12,13] b) reducing nausea and vomiting associated with chemotherapy; [14-16], c) stimulating the appetite for patients living with AIDS (acquired immunodeficiency syndrome) and suffering from the wasting syndrome; [17-19] d) controlling spasticity associated with spinal cord injury and multiple sclerosis; [20-25] e) decreasing the suffering from chronic pain; [26-28] and f) controlling seizures associated with seizure disorders; [29-31] and Understanding that marijuana seems to work differently than many conventional medications for the above problems, making it a possible option for persons resistant to the conventional medications; [32,33] and Being concerned that desperate patients and their families are choosing to break the law to obtain this medicine when conventional medicines or treatments have not been effective for them or are too toxic; [34,35] and Realizing that this places ill persons at risk for criminal charges and at risk for obtaining contaminated medicine because of the lack of quality control, and Realizing that thousands of patients not helped by conventional medications and treatments, may find relief from their suffering with the use of marijuana if their primary care providers were able to prescribe this medicine; and Concluding that cannabis/marijuana was wrongfully placed in Schedule I of the Controlled Substances depriving patients of its therapeutic potential; Recognizing that APHA adopted a resolution (7014) on Marijuana and the Law which urged federal and state drugs laws to exclude marijuana from classification as a narcotic drug; [36] and Concluding that greater harm is caused by the legal consequences of its prohibition than possible risks of medicinal use; therefore * Encourages research of the therapeutic properties of various cannabinoids and combinations of cannabinoids; and * Encourages research on alternative methods of administration to decrease the harmful effects related to smoking; and * Urges the Administration and Congress to move expeditiously to make cannabis available as a legal medicine where shown to be safe and effective and to immediately allow access to therapeutic cannabis through the Investigational New Drug Program. References: 1. Abel EA: Marihuana: The First Twelve Thousand Years. New York: McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1982. 2. Mikuriya TH, Ed: Marijuana: Medical Papers 1839- 1972. Oakland, CA: Medi-Comp Press, 1973. 3. Bonnie RJ, Whitebread II, CH: The Marihuana Conviction: A History of Marihuana Prohibition in the United States. Charlottesville, VA: University Press of Virginia, 1974, 4. National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse (RP Shafer, Chairman): Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding. New York: The: New American Library, Inc., 1972. 5. Controlled Substances, Act of 1970 (Pub.L. 91-513, October 27, 1970, 21USC801 et seq.). 6. In the Matter of Marihuana Rescheduling Petition, Docket 86-22, Opinion, Recommended Ruling, Findings of fact, Conclusions of Law, and Decision of Administrative Law Judge, September 6, 1988. Washington, DC; Drug Enforcement Agency, 1988. 7. Randall RC: Marijuana, Medicine and the Law. Washington, DC: Galen Press, 1988. 8. Randall RC; Marijuana, Medicine and the Law. (Volume >>> Continued to next message... ___ X Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 X --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Who's Askin'? (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00003Date: 06/17/97 From: ALEX VASAUSKAS Time: 08:22am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: marijuana [3/3] >>> Part 3 of 3... II) Washington, DC: Galen Fress, 1989. 9. Alliance for Cannabis Therapeutics: No accepted medical value?? ACT News. Spring, 1995;4. 10. Grinspoon L, Bakalar JB: Marihuana as medicine: a plea for reconsideration. JAMA. 1995;273 (23): 1875-1876. 11. Government extinguishes marijuana access, advocates smell politics. JAMA. May 20, 1992;267(19):2673-2674. 12. Colasanti BK: Review: Ocular hypotensive effect of marihuana cannabinoids: correlate of central action or separate phenomenon. J Ocular Pharmacol. 1986;2(3):295-304. 13. Hepler RS, Frank IM: Marihuana smoking and intraocular pressure. JAMA. 1971;217; 1392. 14. Sallan SE, Zinberg WE, Frei III E: Antiemetic effect of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol in patients receiving cancer chemotherapy. New Engl J Med, 1975;293(16):795-797 15. Sallan SE. Cronin C, Zelen M, Zinberg NE: Antiemetics in patients receiving chemotherapy for cancer. New Engl J Med 1980;302: 135-138, 16. Vinciguerra V, Moore T. Brennan, E: Inhalation marijuana as an antiemetic for cancer chemotherapy. NY State J Med. 1988;88:525-527. 17. Nelson K, Walsh D, Deeter P. et al: A phase II study of delta-4-tetrahydrocannabinol for appetite stimulation in cancer-associated anorexia. J Palliative Care. 1994; 10(1); 14-18. 18. Regelson W, Butler JR, Schultz J et al: Delta-9-THC as an effective antidepressant and appetite stimulating agent in advanced cancer patients. In Int Conf Pharmacol Connabis, Ed S Szara, MC Braude. Savannah: Raven, 1975. 19. Foltin RW, Fischman MW, Byrne MF: Effects of smoked marijuana on food intake and body weight of humans living in a residential laboratory. Appetite. 1988;11:1-14. 20. Clifford DB: Tetrahydrocannabinol for tremor in multiple sclerosis. Ann Neurol. 1983;13:669-671. 21. Malec J, Harvey RF, Cayner JJ: Cannabis effect on spasticity in spinal cord injury. Arch Phys Med Rehab. 1982;35:198. 22. MeinckH, Schonle PW, Conrad B: Effect of cannabinoids on spasticity and ataxia in multiple sclerosis. J Neurol. 1989;236:120-122, 23. Petro D: Marihuana as a therapeutic agent for muscle spasm or spasticity. Psychosomatics. 1980;21:81-85. 24. Petro D, Ellenberger C: Treatment of human spasticity with delta-9-tetrahydrocannabino. J Clin Pharmacol. 1981;21:413S-416S. 25. Ungerleider JT, Andyrsiak T, Fairbanks L, et al: Delta-9- THC in the treatment of spasticity associated with multiple sclerosis. 26. Johnson MR, Melvin LS, Althius, TH et al: Selective and potent analgesics derived from cannabinoids. J Clin Pharmacol, 198;21:217S-282S. 27. Maurer M, Henn V, Ditrrich A, et al: Delta-9- tetrahydrocannabinol shows antispastic and analgesic effects in a single case double-blind trial. Eur Arch Psychiatry Clin Neurosci. 1990:240:1-4, 28. Noyes Jr. R, Brunk SF, Avery DH, et al: The analgesic properties of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol and codeine. Clin Pharmocol Ther; 1975;18(1):84-89. 29. Cunha JM, Carlini EA, Pereira AE, et al: Chronic administration of cannabidiol to healthy volunteers and epileptic patients. Pharmacology. 1980;21:175-185. 30. Feeney D: Marihuana use among epileptics. JAMA. 1976;235:1105. 31. Karler R, Turkanis SA: The cannabinoids as potential antiepileptics. J Clin Phrarmacol. 1981;21:437S-448S. 32. Institute of Medicine: Marijuana and Health. Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1982. 33. Mechoulam R, Ed: Cannabinoids as Therapeutic Agents. Boca Raton, FL: CRC Press, 1986. 34. Cannabis clubs open for medicinal business. USA Today, October 1, 1993:B1, B5. 35. BergerJ: Mother's homemade marijuana: a plan to aid her son leads to arrest and push for change. The New York Times, October ll, 1993. 36. American Public Health Association Resolution No. 7014: Marijuana and the Law. APHA Public Policy Statements, 1948-present, cumulative. Washington, DC: APHA, current volume. ===End=== ___ X Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 X --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Who's Askin'? (1:17/75) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00004Date: 06/14/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 02:52pm \/To: MEG UMANS (Read 2 times) Subj: FDA Acts MEG UMANS was thinking about FDA Acts and keyed into cyberspace: MU>-> The FDA will be imposing restrictions on the sale of products MU>-> containing ephedrine as the uncontrolled consumption of this MU>-> potent drug has resulted in 18 deaths and over 800 serious MU>-> injuries requiring MU>-> hospitalization. MU>Yup, and cutting into the phen-fen etc. market, just like tryptophan MU>had to go when "they" realized it was cutting into sales of some MU>psychotropic meds. In another year or two, St. John's Wort may be MU>declared too dangerous for us to consume. Then someone will have to MU>figure out how to make Rescue Remedy sound potentially letha. Right. And let's just ignore the fact that there were people dropping dead in the tryptophan fiasco and that there have been 18 deaths and over 800 reportable events due to ephedrine use. Do you know what a "reportable event" is? I do. It is where some form of life support is required. IOW, if medical attention was not received, there would have been over 800 additional deaths. So, lets whine about some fairy tale fantasy about something cutting into profits and forget people are dropping dead. Sure. Do you know of an alternative treatment for paranoia? ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00005Date: 06/14/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 02:57pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: A fact or two.... JANE KELLEY was thinking about A fact or two.... and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>Well, the CDC has mentioned that they see the possibility of JK>MP>eliminating environmentally caused polio in the US in the next JK>MP>5-10 years. Sixty years to eradicate such a disease. JK>Vacines can be made from either dead or what is called "attenuated" JK>organisms...those which are very weak. Just after the vacine for TB JK>was marketed, a batch got through which wasn't as weak as it should JK>have been. For that reason, the public sentiment against the vaccine JK>has kept many from getting it. The BIA provides it to Native JK>Americans and has just done wonders in the statistics on that disease JK>among that population group. JK>Just after the Salk vaccine was marketed, a similar incident arose. JK>Some very healthy bugs got loose. However, the press covered the JK>story well, the problem was solved, and the vacinations continued. JK>MP>My youngest son, and you know his situation, has a classmate whose JK>MP>is a foster child. The child's birth "parents" failed to have the JK>MP>child immunized against polio because they believed the whacko JK>MP>conspiracy nuts about the CDC, AMA, FDA, etc. The child cannot JK>MP>walk. A tragic impact on such a small life. JK>I have seen children such as this, worked with polio along side the JK>Kenney nurses at Gallinger Hospital in Washington when I was a JK>student. One shift I looked down to see a student nurse from another JK>hospital who I knew, in fact I had double dated with her just a few JK>months prior to this when she was at my own hospital! JK>That is a very nasty feeling; to see someone unable to walk or move JK>around who you saw dancing and having a good time not too long JK>beforehand. She had the type of polio that caused temporary JK>paralysis, thank heaven, and recovered well enough to continue her JK>studies. JK>I forget her name today. One more person who I traveled the same JK>path with,briefly, a long time ago. JK>It isn't enough to have the vaccines. They must be properly made and JK>handled to be effective and safe. JK>I would encourage parents to find out what that means and also what JK>procedures are used in their own doctor's offices. Who checks the JK>frig to make certain it is clean and the temperature is correct? How JK>often? JK>And who checks for the expiration date of the vaccine itself? JK>These aren't alternative medicine but they are in the area of JK>assuming personal responsiblity for health care which should go along JK>with any discussion about any kind of medicine. Well, Jane, it is nice to find an area where we agree. I am a pretty good judge of temperature, usually off by a degree or two at most. So, when my kids received their vaccinations, I did the checking. Their pediatrician did not mind, and, in fact, encourages it. He shows the vial to the parents just to let them know that he takes pride in his work. ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAN00006Date: 06/14/97 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 03:02pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Ultimate Jane-ism! JANE KELLEY was thinking about Ultimate Jane-ism! and keyed into cyberspace: JK>MP>JK>Cannot document what is learned in empiracle medicine, Mark. JK>MP>JK>You should know that by now. JK>MP>I know that. I just wanted you to admit that you have no real JK>proof. JK>MP>Thanks. :) JK>MP> ===>The Voice of Reason<=== JK>MP> mark.probert@juno.com JK>All of alternative medicine is based on empiracle medicine, Mark. JK>Incidently, I ran across a post where you blasted me over Down JK>Syndrome. I'm not about to try to answer you on that, but will JK>forward some of the posts I have gotten and saved from those who are JK>recognized as experts in the ALTERNATIVE method of treating these JK>children by dietary supplements. I only "blasted" you because you could not even describe Down Syndrome properly. BTW, the blast was purely factual, and showed that you were spouting again. I wonder if there is an alternative treatment to spouting. I have been using facts, and it has not seemed to work. JK>I am not about to key them in here, but I will give anyone who wants JK>the information the e-mail address where they can be reached. Of course you aren't. However, if anyone reads this, I suggest that they check with the AHRC or ACDS before trying any of those witches brews. One death has been reported. Children with Down Syndrome should not be used as guinea pigs in uncontrolled and unmonitored "testing". ===>The Voice of Reason<=== mark.probert@juno.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110)