--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAJ00038Date: 06/14/97 From: TY MEISSNER Time: 02:05pm \/To: TERRY RICKS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Virus On 06-08-97 20:44, Terry Ricks typed to Alan Fletcher regarding: => Virus <= Hello Terry, ------------------- >8 snip ! --------------------- TR> Viruses are NOT cells, they are obligate intracellular parasites! TR> They are dormant until activated by binding to a receptive host. They TR> cause disease by the destruction of host cells, which disrupts the TR> normal function of the organ that is made up of those host cells. TR> Terry A. Ricks, B.S., M.S., R.S. TR> Istructor of Microbiology, TR> San Antonio College, San Antonio, Texas Thank you for your succinct and authoratative posting about what viruses are. Its very rare that we are blessed with particpants in possession of such definitive information, especially when it comes to microbiology. I hope you will continue your participation here. You certainly bring a uniquely valuable resource. Ty Ty Meissner E-MAIL: Ty.meissner@grape.net I will sleep and dream like the air, and move like the wind, with assion when it pleases me. The Universe is not up there... Its here, and we're in it, third rock out from the sun. -- Peter Spiro ... Living a Third world life in a First World country. - Ty Meissner ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0507 * Origin: The Electronic Grapevine [707] 257-2338 (1:161/910) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAJ00039Date: 06/13/97 From: FRANK STARR Time: 11:40pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 2 times) Subj: re: plants, heaven and hell >>I think I'll just stick to the observation that "matter can neither be created nor destroyed". OK. Not sure how or where it applies, etc. But, ok. >>In view of the fact that human survival is dependent on the presence of water and plants, I would tend to add more importance to these. Than to what? >>Do plants go to heaven or hell? Per the teachings of "Conversations With God", Buddahism, and similar trains of thought, hell does not exist. It was created by some religions in order to keep the churches full. Per the majority of religions espousing afterlife, I think they all imply that matter remains here on earth, while spirit/soul goes on. Thus, in Heaven, there is no beer :+>. Except on spiritual holodecks, or via spiritual replicators, I guess. Frank --- PCBoard/2 15.30 * Origin: The 128th Parallel Seminole,Fl 28.8k 813/397-1339 (1:3603/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAJ00040Date: 06/13/97 From: FRANK STARR Time: 11:59pm \/To: ALAN FLETCHER (Read 2 times) Subj: re:Blackouts, Peter Duesberg web Thanks for your suggestions for my mother-in-law. She is 85 currently. Spiritually going on 35 :+>. Found out that I was mispelling Duesberg. The web site is WWW.DUESBERG.COM, vs WWW.DEUSBERG.COM. The web site has a lot of info. I guess there are a lot of allopathics here. Hope more open to naturopathy as time goes on. Mark Probert seemed to feel that Mr. Duesberg wa fraud merely because the patients he presented as AIDS-free still had physical body damage. I submit that purging a virus would take less time than rebuilding a disease-ravaged body. If the allopathic blood tests for AIDS weren't flawed, submitting one of Mr. Duesberg's cured patients to such a test could bring proof. But, there are so many false positives to those tests, they are worthless, so far as I am concerned. I'm not sure Dr. Duesberg's cures wouldn't qualify as Alt Med. They aren't allopathic, I don't think. Gary Null has naturopathically reversed and cured AIDS. His latest audio cassette series on the disease lists several eer review journals citing false positives in the AIDS blood tests. His first series lists a few alternative therapies. --- PCBoard/2 15.30 * Origin: The 128th Parallel Seminole,Fl 28.8k 813/397-1339 (1:3603/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAJ00041Date: 06/14/97 From: FRANK STARR Time: 12:48am \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: re:which god... >>You're one of a few who are NOT pretentious, that's how I remember you. Some claimed to be ex-KGB and Rabbi at the same time! My word! An internet pen-pal of mine from my USAF days often accuses me of being an agent of the USAF equivalent of the FBI (the OSI), but that's his own joke based on some unfounded and inane accusations made by a co-worker of his, and a resultant paranoia he's still healing from. >>Oh, I wouldn't mind to be a Kahuna, so I can heal the sick and injured if I don't have to use snake oil or charm? Some healers, among them the Chinese, use some kind of personal energy therapy (forget the exact name). Combined with naturopathic medicine, that would probably be a great start. I think the inability of the general populace to do this sort of thing is a combo of lack of evolution and a desire to experience mortality. >>Yes, I like to be on the deck of the Intrepid, drilling a hole all the way to the bottom... Why the Intrepid? >>Yes, I like to piss on the colonialists. Tempting, surely. However, as Gloria Steinham says in "Revolution From Within", it would be more positive to heal and evolve them. FS> And, if you dare, you can piss off your contempories by FS> saying "I am God". Dangerous bizz unless among Zens or Buddahists. >>What about the outcast, are they safe? Depends, methinks. If they're outcast but still subscribing fundamentalist christians, mebbe not. FS> When you are, they just say "Congrats! At last you've found out!". FS> Otherwise, you dodge wrath, guns, etc. >>And opium runs like the Brits did? Dunno. Is that anything like a run in a pair of hose? FS> With a mellow attitude, you can work miracles. Of course, it takes FS> practice. I can't part the Red Sea, but I can travel stop and go FS> traffic without working up heart attacks or tension headaches. I'm FS> practicing on the weather, since I don't know if I'll ever beat the FS> LOTTO. And getting as much free parking in the meter district as FS> possible. >>That would be a real miracle, Frank. How do you get free parking in New York? New York, I dunno. In Tampa, Florida, I work at the county courthouse, swing shaft. We park catch as catch can until 5 p.m., when we are allowed to move our cars into the judge's free parking. The two blocks immediately surrounding the courthouse are monopolized with city meters which go no higher than two hours, at a quarter ($0.25) for 20 to 30 minutes. Farther out, in a disorderly meandering, are meters which go for a maximum of 12 hours, and sell two hours for a quarter. Many's the time I come in and find a meter with two hours or more on it, and so I get a freebie. This week I think I only paid once. Yesterday I saw a lady pulling out and was able to wait on her. Today, I was returning from a useless but mandatory half-day seminar, and got a free 20 minutes by the courthouse, which covered me until I was able to move to the judge's lot at 5 p.m. New York city would be tougher, no doubt. But, some good meditation would help on several levels. When I tried to will it to happen, it wouldn't. But, when I resolved to not worry about it, and let it happen while doing my best to just concentrate on remaining calm and worry-free, it worked out quite well. It's a running challenge, but not impossible. Frank --- PCBoard/2 15.30 * Origin: The 128th Parallel Seminole,Fl 28.8k 813/397-1339 (1:3603/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAK00000Date: 06/14/97 From: BOB MOYLAN Time: 04:20pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: ACUPUNCTURE Jane Kelley (On 06 Jun 97) was overheard expounding to Bob Moylan JK> I wrote the following to Alan, not to you: JK> BM> JK> Your statements seem to reflect your general opinion of JK> BM> JK> women as some sort of servants for males such as yourself JK> BM> JK> as most nurses are women. JK> BM> I'd thought it no longer possible for you to amaze me with the JK> BM> leaps and bounds your imagination can take...how did you come to JK> BM> that astounding conclusion? JK> By several months of mild insults back and forth between Alan and JK> myself. He is British, and respects something that can fight back at JK> him, incidently. JK> Not at all like some of the males we have here. Ah well, I've always been of the "opinion" that respect is something that is earned. I don't see that there is much, if any, relationship between gender and respect. ... I drank WHAT!?" - Socrates --- PPoint 2.03 * Origin: What's The Point? Virginia Beach, VA USA (1:275/429.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAK00001Date: 06/14/97 From: BOB MOYLAN Time: 04:26pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Alcoholics Jane Kelley (On 06 Jun 97) was overheard expounding to Bob Moylan JK> ... but it now seems that the only problem JK> you have left is in comprehending what I write. Only those things that you appear to have less than a complete grasp of. In those frequent instances what you write _is_ incomprehensible. JK> Just use the "enter" key when you come to my posts. Much easier on JK> both of us. Ahhhh come on Jane, we have agreed on some things.... ... Practice good mirth control. Use a conundrum. --- PPoint 2.03 * Origin: What's The Point? Virginia Beach, VA USA (1:275/429.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAK00002Date: 06/14/97 From: BOB MOYLAN Time: 04:32pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Genetic Religion??!!!! Jane Kelley (On 06 Jun 97) was overheard expounding to Bob Moylan JK> As I said in another post, just hit the enter key when you come to my JK> name as that is exactly what I intend to do after today when I come to JK> yours. Betcha can't...betcha can't!!! (-; ... Take a number in the Martyr line and respond when your name is called --- PPoint 2.03 * Origin: What's The Point? Virginia Beach, VA USA (1:275/429.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAK00003Date: 06/15/97 From: TERRY RICKS Time: 11:18am \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 2 times) Subj: Virus WY> However, it is dormant before it begins to replicate itself to WY> cause damage? If you are using the term "dormant" in the sense of hybernation it would not be erroneous to say the the virions are dormant until they attach to a susceptable host cell. Also, the disease that is caused by the virus is a result of the destruction of the host cells that the virus has invaded. Follow with me here; if you destroy the cells of the mucus membranes of the nasal passages you are going to destroy the function of those membranes. You are also going to release cell materials (cytoplasm) into the nasal passage. In defense, the rest of the body's cells respond by walling off the contaminated area and releasing fluids that contain virus fighting chemicals such as interferon. The results: the symptoms of the common cold. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue BBS 210-533-5668 San Antonio, TX (1:387/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 257 ALTERN. MEDICINE Ref: EAK00004Date: 06/15/97 From: TERRY RICKS Time: 11:23am \/To: TY MEISSNER (Read 2 times) Subj: Virus TM> Thank you for your succinct and authoratative posting TM> about TM> what viruses are. TM> I hope you will continue your participation here. You TM> certainly TM> bring a uniquely valuable resource. You are quite welcome, glad I could clear it up for you. Teaching is my part-time job. My daytime job is a Sanitarian II for the Division of Food and Environmental Service, San Antonio Metropolitan Health District I expect to hang around for a while, so don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions. Terry --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue BBS 210-533-5668 San Antonio, TX (1:387/510)