--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: EDM00004 Date: 09/11/97 From: HAP NEWSOM Time: 06:59am \/To: DAN CEPPA (Read 1 times) Subj: I Are Back!!! DC- HN> DC-fun heading over there by water! I may have found the boat that DC- HN> DC-I want for now. DC- HN> Oooooh! Tell me more! Here or in Sailing! DC- HN> chat with you soon! DC-Unfortunately, I did a bit of research on the boat. Turns out DC-that it's not as well constructed as I would prefer. DC-Unless I'm wrong, it's been laid up with a chopper gun. As such, DC-the hull isn't as strong nor as uniform as it should be. DC-The boat looks nice. It's a San Juan 28. Plenty of room down DC-below. However, I'm not sure if it will take the abuse I'd like DC-to give it while cruising it, let alone racing it hard. DC-If I'm mistaken on the construction, please let me know. I can't give you any information on the constructions of the San Juan's but I do know that they are very popular locally ...I believe they are a class boat as well (easier to handicap that way eh?), but I wouldn't swear to that either. I believe they are much more of a crusier than a racer though so you'd be relying on handicap points to win races most of the time . I'd say go to Seattle one of these days and look around for one to ride . chat with you soon! hap * SLMR 2.1a * "Well I swan" said Lida --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Outdoor Focus - University Place, WA (206)565-7730 (1:138/123) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: EDN00000 Date: 09/17/97 From: WOLFRAM SAUERTEIG Time: 07:30pm \/To: LEN EVANS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: VHF Hello Len Evans, You wrote 29.04.97 to All in area SAILING with subject VHF: LE> Am trying to run a 50 ohm coax inside the mast for the ant on a Nordica LE> 20. Any helpfull suggestions would be appreciated. LE> Thanks......... LE> Len LE> i would recommend the following equipment, self configured: - Cable type RG 58 C/U, isn't awful thick and don't has much hf loss in typical yacht masts length; RG 213 type would be to thick, RG 174 type to sensible to mechanical stress - N-type or PL-type plugs, depending on your radio; there are two versions available: 1. solderable 2. to crimp; this version needs a special tool configuring: it's all easier if the mast is down. The RG 58 cable has a diameter of approx. 4,85mm, and it can be bend to a minimum radius of 25mm. Use a help line to tear the cable trough the mast, because the cable will tend to go into spirals and therfore not pass the mast by itself. After the cable is in the mast, you can crimp or solder. If you do it while the mast is on the ship, crimping should be preferred because it is not very agreeable to solder in the mast top. Remember also to: - let enough cable length spare at the bottom to connect your equipment - seal the plug at the antenna side against humidity, but don't affect the electrical contact - if test equipment available, test the cabling quality first by measuring ohms and then by measuring SWR That's it. I didn't try the whole operation by myself, but have some experience with hf cabling (radio amateur) and with tearing lost lines into a standing mast (we had some problems on our ship this year _after_ trying to down mainsail..... :-( regards... Wolfram AYC - StAG, Aachen, Germany Thetis 26 Reply to: wolfram_sauerteig@hippo.fido.de --- Yuppie! v2.12 * Origin: SauerSoft (2:2452/110.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: EDQ00000 Date: 09/19/97 From: DAN CEPPA Time: 10:04pm \/To: HAP NEWSOM (Read 1 times) Subj: I Are Back!!! -> On 14 Sep 97 16:15:08, Hap Newsom got back to Dan Ceppa HN> I'm seeing for sale ads for them all the time around here and Seattle. I'll have to check out a 49-North. HN> DC-It pretty much seems that way. It's got a huge water tank under HN> DC-the starboard quarter berth. HN> Well you might need something to wash down the good single malt HN> scotches that you'd be carrying DC-Do you know anyone that owns one? If not, what marina would be HN> Hmmmm, not off hand I don't ...I'd pick up a Seattle PI and look in HN> the classifieds to see what was available. I'll have to do that this Sunday. Then again, 48 North has a better price tag on it. :) ... Don't stand up under a gibing boom! --- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12 * Origin: From the Northwest Corner of Nowhere (1:123/67.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: EDR00000 Date: 09/20/97 From: JEAN PARROT Time: 08:55pm \/To: BOB HIRSCHFELD (Read 1 times) Subj: Guy ? Bob, hello. Did you meet a fellow called Eric Nahrstedt, who fixes plumbing on boats, around your neck of the woods ? A wild stab in the dark............. OO QWKRR128 V5.10 [R] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Year 2000 Bug Group: http://www.biwi.qc.ca/2000 (1:167/722) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: EDR00001 Date: 09/20/97 From: JEAN PARROT Time: 08:57pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: HF for sloop. I have an Icom 700 M for sale, c/w auto tuner. $1500.00 US Any taker? OO QWKRR128 V5.10 [R] --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Year 2000 Bug Group: http://www.biwi.qc.ca/2000 (1:167/722) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: EDR00002 Date: 09/20/97 From: LEN EVANS Time: 12:37pm \/To: WOLFRAM SAUERTEIG (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: VHF -> Hello Len Evans, You wrote 29.04.97 to All in area SAILING with subje -> -> LE> Am trying to run a 50 ohm coax inside the mast for the ant on a N -> LE> -> i would recommend the following equipment, self configured: -> - Cable type RG 58 C/U, isn't awful thick and don't has much hf loss -> typical yacht masts length; RG 213 type would be to thick, RG 174 ty -> Thanks Wolfram, your message was a little late arriving (19.09.97) but it was nice to see that someone agreed with the way that I went, RG 58 and such. The boat will be laid up for the winter on 27.09.97. It's getting a little too late in the season around here to be enjoyable on the water. Have an enclosed area to work on it over the winter. -> -> Reply to: wolfram_sauerteig@hippo.fido.de -> I tried sending an E-Mail reply, but it "bounced", address not known. Thanks again, Len Evans len_evans@bigfoot.com levans@mulberry.com --- QScan/WC v1.19b / 01-0546 * Origin: Brandy Hill Exchange * Jasper ON * 1:256/207 (1:256/207) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: EDR00003 Date: 09/22/97 From: TERRY SMITH Time: 01:08am \/To: WOLFRAM SAUERTEIG (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: VHF LE> Am trying to run a 50 ohm coax inside the mast for LE> the ant on a Nordica WS> - Cable type RG 58 C/U, isn't awful thick and don't WS> has much hf loss in typical The C means a growth resistant additive in the jacket, of what is otherwise an A/U suffix, BTW. Cu is usually Sn plated too, for better corrosion resistance. In lengths typical for radios and masts on most sailboats large enough for cruising, loss is high enough that better coax is desirable. WS> yacht masts length; RG 213 type would be to thick, A good foam RG-8, such as Belden 8214, is desirable for runs where it can be used, such as in a cabin. There are a number of in between cables designated RG-8X which are fairly small and use foam dielectric plus larger size than RG-58's for lower loss than non-foam or smaller coaxes. WS> - N-type or PL-type plugs, depending on your radio; WS> there are two versions available: WS> 1. solderable WS> 2. to crimp; this version needs a special tool Most marine radios seem to come with UHF/PL connectors, which are not all that great. OTOH, N connectors are available with integral weather seals, good metal platings, and are better electrically. OTOH, most people not already familiar with them have trouble with the tolerances to assemble N connectors, and don't understand the details of specifying a decent M-39012 qualified version. To be avoided are "easy install" non-solder connectors not requiring mil-qualified crimp tooling. They're unreliable even away from a salt corrosion exposure. WS> to a minimum radius of 25mm. Use a help line to tear WS> the cable trough the mast, because the cable will tend WS> to go into spirals and therfore not pass the mast by itself. WS> After the cable is in the mast, you can crimp or WS> solder. If you do it while the mast is on the ship, WS> crimping should be preferred because it is not very WS> agreeable to solder in the mast top. Remember also to: Installation while the mast is horizontal is always preferable. People are too inclined to provide no internal vertical support to prevent a sharp bend at the point of mast entry otherwise. Coax impedance is dependant on a uniform spacing between inner and outer conductors, and not just DC continuity. Sharp bends can simulate defective connectors. Terry --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Terry's Tavern! Derby, CT 203-732-0575 (1:141/1275) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: EDS00000 Date: 09/19/97 From: HAP NEWSOM Time: 12:19pm \/To: DAN CEPPA (Read 1 times) Subj: I Are Back!!! DC--> On 14 Sep 97 16:15:08, Hap Newsom got back to Dan Ceppa DC- HN> I'm seeing for sale ads for them all the time around here and attle. DC-I'll have to check out a 49-North. Good idea...also good to look in the classifieds...lotsa people don't want to wait for 49 north ads. DC- HN> DC-It pretty much seems that way. It's got a huge water tank under DC- HN> DC-the starboard quarter berth. DC- HN> Well you might need something to wash down the good single malt DC- HN> scotches that you'd be carrying DC- HN> DC-Do you know anyone that owns one? If not, what marina would be DC- HN> Hmmmm, not off hand I don't ...I'd pick up a Seattle PI and look in DC- HN> the classifieds to see what was available. DC-I'll have to do that this Sunday. Then again, 48 North has a better DC-price tag on it. :) What are your days off nowadays? chat with you soon! hap * SLMR 2.1a * Mae West of borg. come up and get assimilated some time! --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Outdoor Focus - University Place, WA (206)565-7730 (1:138/123) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: EDT00000 Date: 09/23/97 From: JEAN PARROT Time: 02:12pm \/To: TERRY SMITH (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: VHF -=> Quoting Terry Smith to Wolfram Sauerteig <=- TS> Coax impedance is dependant on a uniform spacing between TS> inner and outer conductors, and not just DC continuity. TS> Sharp bends can simulate defective connectors. Sharp bends...what can you tell me about this. At my masthead, I noticed that the boat builder has made a simple know in the co-ax, to make sure that il would not slide down the mast again. Is this a bad idea. What will it do to the SWR, i.e.: the radiated wattage ? I once saw an antenna that the owner had bent into two 90 degree kinks, so it would clear to the side and not stop the windex indicator. Are these two bends doing anything to the radiated signal too ? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Year 2000 Bug Group: http://www.biwi.qc.ca/2000 (1:167/722) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: EDU00000 Date: 09/24/97 From: DAN CEPPA Time: 11:50am \/To: HAP NEWSOM (Read 1 times) Subj: I Are Back!!! -> On 19 Sep 97 08:19:06, Hap Newsom got back to Dan Ceppa HN> DC-I was thinking more along the lines of bringing a single ice cube HN> and DC-using the water tank to hold the Scotch! HN> Now you're getting the idea! I'll bring the ice! Hey, I told you I knew how to sail, didn't I! HN> What are your days off nowadays? As strange as ever. Hopefully, I be working a Mon-Fri shift soon. Until then, I'm on a rotating weekend schedule to at least get me a day off and see the kids every other week. The only good thing is that I don't have to be bored with the evening shift. I get off no later than 5 pm now. ... Sailing Oxymoron - Friendly regatta. --- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12 * Origin: From the Northwest Corner of Nowhere (1:123/67.5)