--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: E4T00001 Date: 04/23/97 From: TONY REITZEL Time: 05:03pm \/To: FREDERICK OSBORNE (Read 0 times) Subj: Canoe Go to your local boat supply store and get brochures from Westsystem on using epoxy and fiberglass. They have lots of good stuff to read and the stuff works good too. Good luck. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Hello World BBS, Janetville ON 705-878-5684 (1:2424/216) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: E4T00002 Date: 04/22/97 From: DAN CEPPA Time: 10:37pm \/To: RALF ZEHENDER (Read 0 times) Subj: W: Toronto Boat Charter, Adresses? -> On 21 Apr 97 20:00:00, Ralf Zehender got back to Dan Ceppa DC> Guden haben (?), Ralf. RZ> Nearly perfect ;-) "Guten Abend" for "good evening" (AFAIR). What can I say? I type what I "hear"? :) RZ>> I'll guess it should be more the 28 foot minus range. RZ> thats ok, he told me to like a Boat with about 8..10 meters (sorry, RZ> couldn't find my calculator... ;-) Works out to about 26 feet to 35 feet, roughly. DC> the 29 to 32 foot range that can be easily handled by a crew DC> such as that. RZ> Fine. As I see there ARE really some boats (guess lots of) in opposite RZ> to the results of the tourist info request. In the place I live, there are no close places to rent a boat. The closest I know is down in Tacoma, Washington State, USA. RZ>> BBTW, is the english word for "sailing boat" really this? Some DC> Close: It's "sailboat". RZ> Ok, I'll try to use these the next time... Don't worry too much about it. If the meaning is not clear, someone will ask for a correction. DC> I find it best to call orders for trimming the "pole end of the DC> spinnaker" rather the calling it the "guy". RZ> This seems to be the best way to talk about. On the other hand, on RZ> board it sometimes makes sense to have short and different sounding RZ> terms. The more they should be well known by each crew member. That is true. However, a rather strange one that is sometimes used in racing by semi-larcenous skippers is to call "larboard" rather than "port". The old term, which was used, sounds just a bit too much like "starboard". RZ> PS: the traffic of this end of the echo is very low (about 10 msgs per RZ> month), are there somtimes some sharks biting the transatlantic line? Strange as it seems, you are getting about as much mail as I am. That is partially why I moved your message back to here. There should be more, I know, as there are a few regulars, including the Moderator, that I haven't seen writing in here is some time. ... Save the whales! Collect the whole set! --- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12 * Origin: North West Corner of Nowhere (1:123/67.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: E4T00003 Date: 04/22/97 From: DAN CEPPA Time: 10:45pm \/To: RALF ZEHENDER (Read 0 times) Subj: W: Toronto Boat Charter, Adresses? -> On 21 Apr 97 20:00:00, Ralf Zehender got back to Dan Ceppa RZ> Fine. As I see there ARE really some boats (guess lots of) in opposite RZ> to the results of the tourist info request. Here's a bit of information that I've been able to find to maybe help your friends find a boat for their holiday. (BTW, in the US, it is "vacation". I like "holiday" as a better description!) From: Sue Armstrong really be that hard to rent a boat of about that size there. The best bet might be to contact the Toronto Harbour Commission and see From: Jan deBoer Sue, I don't think the THC is going to be much help. Dan wasn't clear on whether the desired rental is bareboat or charter. There is a local magazine called "GAM on Yachting" which would have ads for charters. I'm not sure if Canadian Yachting is still publishing, if so, it's another source for ads. Then there's the venerable Toronto Star. GAM should be available in libraries, magazine stores, and marine supply stores, although it's hard to find in the wilds of Oshawa. Bare boat rentals might be more difficult to find. Call some local Marinas and Yacht brokers - they should have listings of charters/rentals. ============================ I've requested additional information from both of them. Hope to have more for you soon. BTW, a charter is generally a fully equipped boat, often with crew to take you around. A bare-boat means you get the use of the boat but must provide all of the food you will need during your use of it and no crew to help. And, before I forget, it will most likely be necessary for your friends to have a resume and some references stating their sailing and seamanship abilities to charter a yacht. If it is a crewed charter, that may not be as necessary nor even required to rent the boat. Hope this helps. ... A slip: a place to store dreams. --- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12 * Origin: North West Corner of Nowhere (1:123/67.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: E4U00000 Date: 04/23/97 From: DAN CEPPA Time: 09:58pm \/To: RALF ZEHENDER (Read 0 times) Subj: W: Toronto Boat Charter, Adresses? -> On 22 Apr 97 20:00:00, Ralf Zehender got back to Dan Ceppa DC> Well, Sue doens't know a Yawl from a Ketch, but she has DC> an idea. RZ> Doesn't matter, it needs not to be a yawl or ketch, may also be a RZ> slup. (I forgot this in my last message :-( Well, you picked on my "guden [h]aben", so I have to mention that it's a 'sloop'. DC> Hopefuly, your friend has a bit more time. RZ> Yes, he wants to go in June/July or August. DC> I asked her to check it out at the library. As she's pretty busy, that will give both you and your friends a bit more time to set things up. RZ> There are still some weeks left. Maybe Sue gets some contact RZ> adresses/numbers they should be able to check them out in time. Hopefully, for them. And, I thought I had was being able to contact the Toronto Yacht Club(s) via a yacht club close to you. They may have additional information. I know we were able to arrange a berth for us when we went to the Victoria race weekend. ... When sailors dream, they dream about sailing. --- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12 * Origin: North West Corner of Nowhere (1:123/67.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: E4W00000 Date: 04/25/97 From: BRENT HENDRICKS Time: 12:40am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: America's Cup Smashed With Sledgehammer The America's Cup the oldest trophy in international sports was badly dammaged by a Maori protester in New Zealand. The protest who has not been named entered the New Zealand Yacht Sqaudron property and broke the case that held the cup. When he was unable to remove the cup from the display case he began to repetaly hit the cup with the hammer smashing in the midsection of the cup. The cup will have to be send back to England for repairs, once it is released as evidence. Which will probably not occur for several months. This has been a summary of 2 API Newswire reports. If anyone whishes me to send them an ASCII copy of these articles please leave me mail... Brent Hendricks --- CNet/3 * Origin: -- The Rats Den BBS 1:202/1402 (619)224-1840 (1:202/1402) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: E4X00000 Date: 04/26/97 From: RALF ZEHENDER Time: 12:00am \/To: DAN CEPPA (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: W: Toronto Boat Charter, Adresses? Quoting _Dan Ceppa@1:123/67.5 to Ralf Zehender_ date: _22.04.97_ Hallo Dan, DC> BTW, a charter is generally a fully equipped boat, often with DC> crew to take you around. A bare-boat means you get the use of DC> the boat but must provide all of the food you will need during DC> your use of it and no crew to help. Ah, that's a bit different to us: We (the sailors I know) are almost always used to take a bare-boat and therefore we are used to say "charter a boat". Ok, my friend whants to get a bare boat. Experience or licences will be no problem if there are no special local things needed. Will answer to the remaining next week... Ralf --- CrossPoint v3.1 R * Origin: (2:246/1401.69) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: E4Z00000 Date: 04/28/97 From: DAN CEPPA Time: 11:53pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Hill Street Blues Well, it was one of my favorite TV shows. Anyhow, another message I posted reminded me of it and I felt it appropriate to use the original Sarge's comment at the beginning of the show: "Let's be careful out there!" JS> there is a difference between being scared, and being cautious... A little 3 yr old girl got caught in a big blow the other day and her mother was having major problems getting the sailing dinghy back into the marina. Anyhow, to help quench the terror/excitement of the little girl, we found out that her birthday was in a couple of days. Asked what she wanted, she replied, "A sailboat, of course! I want another J-24!" Well, her Dad is looking for a bit bigger fast boat that will also serve as a cruiser. I'm sure the little girl was at least a bit scared, but her and her mother were having a lot of fun before the front came through and made it nasty. In fact, talking to her Mom, it turns out that Jill was steering the boat for a while when the wind was a "bit" more reasonable. ================ My additions for this Echo: Even though we are out there to race and go fast and are only worried about our competition, there are other boats out there as well. Jill and her mother were not involved in our race. They were heading in when the wind came in big time and overpowered the Mom (a very good sailer, BTW) and her little girl. We didn't notice them until after we crossed the finish line. As there was gear all over the place, we worked on that for a while until the skipper noticed that the Lido was flogging all of it's sails. That's when the skipper punched up the motor and we furled the main in what should be record time. About the same time we got our main taken in, we were on the little boat. Just us being there calmed them down. The girl rode back in with us as we towed the dingy in with Mom at the helm. Yes, a happy ending. However, as much as I want to just simply race against the competition, I will now have my eyes on any other boat in eyesight, just in case. Things can happen all too quickly out there. Trust me, this incident reinforced that from a situation I placed _myself_ in. (more on that if you don't mind another long-winded post!) ... "It was a helluva day at sea, Sir!": from _Overboard_ --- OMX/Blue Wave v2.12 * Origin: North West Corner of Nowhere (1:123/67.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: E5100000 Date: 04/29/97 From: LEN EVANS Time: 09:54am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: VHF Help.... Am trying to run a 50 ohm coax inside the mast for the ant on a Nordica 20. Any helpfull suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks......... Len --- QScan/WC v1.19b / 01-0546 * Origin: Brandy Hill Exchange * Jasper ON * 1:256/207 (1:256/207) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: E5300000 Date: 05/01/97 From: LAURENCE CHARLOT Time: 08:26pm \/To: LEN EVANS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Vhf -=> Quoting Len Evans to All <=- LE> Help.... LE> Am trying to run a 50 ohm coax inside the mast for the ant on a LE> Nordica 20. Any helpfull suggestions would be appreciated. The main problem in running wires through the mast is getting something stiff enough to push through without binding. Two suggestions are: three lengths of 1/2" diameter PVC sprinkler pipe and couplers; these are inexpensive and available at any hardware store. Once you get the PVC pipe run through the mast, tape the end of the wire to the pipe and pull it through. Better yet, use a length of 1/8" or 3/16" 7X19 shroud wire, slightly longer than the mast. You can even use one of your existing upper shrouds, or the headstay, saving you from having to buy anything. This wire is stiff enough to push through the mast, then you tape the end of the antenna wire to the end of the shroud and pull it right through. In really small diameter masts that have lots of through bolts for hardware, this may be your only alternative as PVC pipe may be too large to squeeze through. Every couple of feet along the wire, you should firmly tape a wad of urethane foam about the same diameter as, or slightly smaller than, the mast. Tape on the foam before pulling the wire through, of course (g). This prevents the wire(s) from rattling inside the mast at night, which makes a horrible racket when you or your neighbors in the marina are trying to sleep. Of course, you can only do this if you DON'T have internal halyards! While you are only installing an antenna cable for immediate use, I highly recommned you also run a 3 conductor 16 gauge wire for future use for anchor lights, spreader lights, nav lights, etc. Running wires through a mast is a pain in the butt, and you don't want to do this job twice. The wires don't cost more than a few bucks, and they will be in place and ready to hook up later when and if you decide to upgrade your mast lights. You will thank yourself then for the foresight. -Larry Charlot Catalina 25 #1205 "Summertime Dream" Folsom Lake, CA --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: Omni - (916) 388-0905, longest running Sac BBS (1:203/3333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: E5400000 Date: 05/02/97 From: RALF ZEHENDER Time: 12:00am \/To: DAN CEPPA (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: W: Toronto Boat Charter, Adresses? Quoting Dan Ceppa@1:123/67.5 to Ralf Zehender date: 22.04.97 Hallo Dan, DC> In the place I live, there are no close places to rent a boat. DC> The closest I know is down in Tacoma, Washington State, USA. I guess you are living on a mountain... DC> From: Jan deBoer DC> DC> Sue, I don't think the THC is going to be much help. Dan wasn't DC> clear on whether the desired rental is bareboat or charter. DC> There is a local magazine called "GAM on Yachting" which would have DC> ads for charters. I'm not sure if Canadian Yachting is still DC> publishing, if so, it's another source for ads. Then there's the DC> venerable Toronto Star. GAM should be available in libraries, DC> magazine stores, and marine supply stores, although it's hard to DC> find in the wilds of Oshawa. Bare boat rentals might be more DC> difficult to find. Call some local Marinas and Yacht brokers - they DC> should have listings of charters/rentals. DC> ============================ DC> DC> I've requested additional information from both of them. Hope to DC> have more for you soon. ... in my initial request I didn't thought that this becomes so difficult. There must be differences between yours and ours habits to get a boat. Here are lots of charter offices and marinas full of boats to rent, so it will be easy to get one of your favour. I think in your area the more of the sailors have their own boat and the less boats are in charter? RZ>> Doesn't matter, it needs not to be a yawl or ketch, may also be a RZ>> slup. (I forgot this in my last message :-( DC> Well, you picked on my "guden [h]aben", so I have to mention DC> that it's a 'sloop'. Hihi, might be right. With my own logic I thought: Yawl, Ketch and Slup, as in german. RZ>> There are still some weeks left. Maybe Sue gets some contact RZ>> adresses/numbers they should be able to check them out in time. DC> Hopefully, for them. And, I thought I had was being able to DC> contact the Toronto Yacht Club(s) via a yacht club close to DC> you. They may have additional information. I know we were DC> able to arrange a berth for us when we went to the Victoria DC> race weekend. Ah, fine. Is it such a big event that there will be some from nearly the east coast? Bye for now Ralf --- CrossPoint v3.1 R * Origin: (2:246/1401.69)