--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: DE400003 Date: 10/02/96 From: DAN CEPPA Time: 03:47pm \/To: RICHARD WHEET (Read 2 times) Subj: Race Rules -> On 09-30-96 10:20, Richard Wheet got back to Dan Ceppa > earlier years of the Cup races. As the Cup races had always been > held in Newport, you'd have thought that that would have been the RW> I believe it was always held in Newport because the Americans never RW> lost at one point in time... and the winners were always from that RW> area.... but I really don't know that much history about it.... A lot of that was due to traditio, with the NYC being the original host after _America_ won the original cup in England. Since the the Aussie win, the venue has changed to the site of the YC that was home port of the winning boat, hence the defence in San Diego. ... Save the whales! Collect the whole set! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0GI * Origin: Ten Forward on the Olympic Peninsula, where rain reigns! (1:350/401) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: DE400004 Date: 10/01/96 From: JACKSON HARDING Time: 12:37pm \/To: DAN CEPPA (Read 2 times) Subj: Race Rules Hello DAN! Friday September 27 1996, DAN CEPPA writes to RICHARD WHEET: DC> If I remember right, it's through the Albany, NY YC. Disputes that DC> go beyond that go to the NY State Supreme Court, again in Albany. DC> Not sure of the reasoning behind it, other than it would be DC> inconvenient for foreign contingencies to get there in the DC> earlier years of the Cup races. As the Cup races had always been DC> held in Newport, you'd have thought that that would have been the DC> venue. It actually goes back to the fact that the Deed of Gift creating the Cup series was made up by the good members of the New York Yacht Club. They did it through an "impartial" third party club and since they were in New York at the time, that's the jurisdiction for all Court disputes, for all time. Bye for now, Jackson --- FMail/386 1.20+ * Origin: --> The Cockpit, up front in aviation BBS' <-- (3:800/857) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: DE400005 Date: 10/01/96 From: ANNEKA VAN MAURIK Time: 07:14pm \/To: AUGUSTIN HENRIQUES (Read 2 times) Subj: GLOVES Augustin, AH>months. The cut was at the back of my hand where the tendons are. I was AH>in total shock when it happened and was actually traumatized for months! AH>still cringe at the thought of how close I came to doing some real serious AH>damage. As it turned out though, I took 3 stitches and am back to playing AH>Bach and other popular favourites :^) In fact, I'm applying for a 20K AH>bursury to do a CD this winter :^) The whole thing kinda taught not to AH>look a horse in the face... er... or something like that. I'm not ctually AH>sure what I learned from it other than that chop saws hurt and it's wise o AH>keep hands, fingers, and all other body parts away from power saws! Ouch. Not just power saws, though. An old friend of mine was in the bush in B.C. and was cutting underbrush with a machete. He hacked the back of his hand and severed some pretty important tendons and nerves. Luckily, when he got to hospital, there was a world-famous surgeon visiting who specialized in this type of reconstructive surgery. Now he has almost full use of his hand. He's an artist, so it was very hard for him. Moral: wear heavy gloves and be careful out there. Okay, and don't run with sharp pointy things in your hand, you'll poke your eye out.. Anneka. * 1st 2.00 #3756 * Have you flogged your crew today? * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 975-1547 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: DEC00000 Date: 10/05/96 From: DAN CEPPA Time: 09:52am \/To: ANNEKA VAN MAURIK (Read 2 times) Subj: GLOVES -> On 10-01-96 07:14, Anneka Van Maurik got back to Augustin Henriques AH>sure what I learned from it other than that chop saws hurt and it's wise to AH>keep hands, fingers, and all other body parts away from power saws! AVM> Ouch. Not just power saws, though. An old friend of mine was in the Fortuantely(???), I wear glasses, safety, of course. However, even then good goggles do help, as they are cheaper than new lenses. AVM> Now he has almost full use of his hand. He's an artist, so it was very AVM> hard for him. My cousin, a former sculpter, can't do her specialty, do to a similar happening. AVM> Moral: wear heavy gloves and be careful out there. May I ad: When you feel tired, go home! I've come the closed to hurting myself when I was very tired and wante to do a "little bit more". I've since decided that when I feel a "little bit tired", it's time to put the impliments of disctruction away until the next time. AVM> Okay, and don't run with sharp pointy things in your hand, you'll poke AVM> your eye out.. You soind like my mother! (But, good advice) ... Yawls are meant to be sailed in southern waters. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0GJ * Origin: Ten Forward on the Olympic Peninsula, where rain reigns! (1:350/401) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: DEC00001 Date: 10/05/96 From: DAN CEPPA Time: 03:08pm \/To: JACKSON HARDING (Read 2 times) Subj: Race Rules -> On 10-01-96 12:37, Jackson Harding got back to Dan Ceppa DC> If I remember right, it's through the Albany, NY YC. Disputes that DC> held in Newport, you'd have thought that that would have been the DC> venue. JH> It actually goes back to the fact that the Deed of Gift creating the JH> Cup series was made up by the good members of the New York Yacht Club. It's been a while since I researched it. But, as you noted, the whole thing goes, for sundry reasons, through the NY court system. JH> They did it through an "impartial" third party club and since they were The quotes around _impartial_ says it all! JH> in New York at the time, that's the jurisdiction for all Court JH> disputes, for all time. However, am I right in assuming that the Albany YC has first call on hearing the protests? For some reason, I don't think the tbhe NYYC has first call on that... ... Every wave that breaches is a nudge to be up and away... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0GJ * Origin: Ten Forward on the Olympic Peninsula, where rain reigns! (1:350/401) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: DEC00002 Date: 10/05/96 From: DAVE DRUM Time: 08:13pm \/To: RICHARD WHEET (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Race Rules RW> > Not sure of the reasoning behind it, other than it would be RW> > inconvenient for foreign contingencies to get there in the RW> > earlier years of the Cup races. As the Cup races had always been RW> > held in Newport, you'd have thought that that would have been the RW> > venue. RW> I believe it was always held in Newport because the Americans never lost RW> at one point in time... and the winners were always from that area.... RW> but I really don't know that much history about it.... Whom ever has the Cup sets the terms of the challenge. 12 Meter boats were a tradition... as were the J boats which preceded. The original yacht America which first won the cup was a schooner. BTW - it's called the America's Cup because of the name of the original winning boat... not because it was an American yacht that won. Anyway, the races were held at Newport for so long because the YC there was the home club of the defenders - who set the rules. After the unthinkable happened and someone other than an American won the silverware the Newport stranglehold on America's Cup was broken. When Dennis Connor and his syndicate retreived the cup from down under it went to the San Diego YC as Connor's home club. ENJOY!!! Something's Cooking in Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen ... MS-DOS = the corner church; Amiga = pagan sex magick under a full moon --- PCBoard (R) v15.21/M 10 * Origin: Fantasy Land BBS * Springfield, IL * (217)535-1005 (1:2430/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: DEC00003 Date: 10/06/96 From: AUGUSTIN HENRIQUES Time: 04:57pm \/To: STRUTHER MACFARLANE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: GLOVES Season's Greetings Struther, SM> It reminds me of the number of (idiot) motorcycle riders I see SM> during the warm summer months (both of them) who wear a SM> helmet for protection, because it's the law, but who then wear SM> shorts, t-shirt, slip-on shoes, and no gloves. If they wipe out SM> they're gonna be so hurt they'll wish they hadn't worn the SM> helmet and that it all would've been over quickly. ---------------------- Don't get me wrong Struther, I'm not agreeing with you, but the same holds for those stupid bicycle helmet laws. I've had two motorcycle accidents and a couple of minor bicycle accidents. Thankfully, I wore a proper helmet and leather for my motorcycle accidents (it was a requirement of Satan's Choice in those days :^), but for a bicycle accident, the helmet is the very last thing you need! Good elbow pads and gloves are first, knee pads second, then maybe comes the helmet! Cheers, Augustin~~~=== National Yacht Club, Toronto - S2STOR - S2SVCR ... The ocean is like a tiny drop of water only much bigger. * Q-Blue 1.9 [NR] * --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: DEC00004 Date: 10/02/96 From: LAURENCE CHARLOT Time: 09:10pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Solar Panels I am trying to choose a solar panel for my Catalina 25. The two main types available locally are monocrystalline rigid panels by Siemens and Solarex, and Thin Film panels from UniSolar, which are flexible. The Siemens panels run about $8-$10 per watt and the UniSolar are $12-$15 per watt. The UniSolar panels are also much larger for a given wattage than the Siemens, due to the lower conversion efficiency of the amorphous silicon as compared to the monocrystalline silicon in the Siemens panels. I would appreciate any comments you might send about panels you have in service. Would you buy the same one again? I had a Solarex 30 watt panel on my old boat and although it did perform as advertised, after 3 years the clear plastic overlay started to delaminate and peel off, allowing salt and moisture to attack the cells directly. This panel was a sandwich of three layers consisting of an aluminum backing plate, the photovoltaic cells, and a clear plastic film on top. I am leaning toward the Siemens solar panel, because it's cover is made of glass, not plastic. However, I am worried that the glass plate would not stand up to the impact of objects like blocks and snap shackles striking it occasionally. The UniSolar panels are covered with a material called "Tefzel" which I assume is a plastic of some kind, but would this delaminate like on my Solarex panel? The electrical loads on my boat are minimal, consisting of 4 navigation and 5 cabin lights, VHF radio, stereo cassette player, and 4 small vent fans I rig in hatchways to keep air circulating when the boat is not in use. These fans are 1/4 amp computer cooling fans, same as the one installed in the PC I am typing this message on. I will be adding a depth sounder and Navico TP-300 autopilot next year, but no other electrical equipment after that is anticipated at this time. The boat is used for weekend day sailing and one or two night local cruises, with one or two week cruises every couple of years. I estimate a panel of 30-50 watts should keep the battery topped off. So, what brand/model of solar panel do you prefer? Thanks, all. By the way, the boat is still unnamed, any suggestions? L. Charlot- Catalina 25, hull #1205 --- HyperMail! v1.22 * Origin: Omni - (916) 388-0905, longest running Sac BBS (1:203/3333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: DEC00005 Date: 10/04/96 From: STRUTHER MACFARLANE Time: 10:02am \/To: ANNEKA VAN MAURIK (Read 2 times) Subj: GLOVES Anneka: AVM>Now he has almost full use of his hand. He's an artist, so it was very hard AVM>for him. Very lucky fellow, indeed! AVM>Moral: wear heavy gloves and be careful out there. In the case of your friend, who cut his hand with the machete, it could have been ANY part of his body he might have chopped (off). Had the blade deflected in another way, he could have sliced his foot, or his leg, or his neck, or.... It reminds me of the number of (idiot) motorcycle riders I see during the warm summer months (both of them) who wear a helmet for protection, because it's the law, but who then wear shorts, t-shirt, slip-on shoes, and no gloves. If they wipe out they're gonna be so hurt they'll wish they hadn't worn the helmet and that it all would've been over quickly. * OLX 2.1 TD * Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 975-1547 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064)