--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CE^00003 Date: 10/29/95 From: MIKE LEVENSON Time: 09:29am \/To: GENO DELLAMATTIA (Read 6 times) Subj: Ford flathead info wante GD> RR> Isn't the Atomic 4 a Ford Model A engine? Maybe this WAS the GD> RR> right group! GD> GD> At the risk of inflaming a few aboard here, I submit the only thing GD> Atomic 4 should be used for is an anchor.... :) I would have to agree, gas period has no room on a sailboat, to dangerous. Desiel the only way to go. Mike --- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #87 * Origin: The PoorMan's BBS 303-755-7212 (1:104/534.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CF100000 Date: 10/30/95 From: MIKE GILLAM Time: 05:38pm \/To: TERRY S (Read 7 times) Subj: Dinghy =========================================================================== BBS: COMPUTER WORKS TECH SUPPORT Date: 10-24-95 (19:05) Number: 34 From: TERRY S Refer#: NONE To: MIKE GILLAM Recvd: NO Subj: Dinghy Conf: (757) F-SAILING --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TS= MG> Ideally I would like = MG> = to have a "liferaft". TS= MG> have a crew opening sometime...I sail small (16 ft) and would LOVE to = MG> learn the real stuff. TS=Offshore racing where you'd also want an EPIRB and a SART? TS=Terry TS=--- Maximus 2.01wb = * Origin: Terry's Tavern! Derby, CT 203-732-0575 (1:141/1275) i don't care its all new and fun to learn! * SLMR 2.1a * WE NOW RETURN TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED FLAME-THROWING! --- Michiana's Mail Hub! * Origin: CW Technical Support - South Bend, IN - (219) 272-8129 (1:227/129) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CF100001 Date: 10/29/95 From: DAN CEPPA Time: 06:07pm \/To: GENO DELLAMATTIA (Read 7 times) Subj: Ford flathead info wante -> On 10-27-95 10:01, Geno Dellamattia got back to Robert Rayfield RR> Isn't the Atomic 4 a Ford Model A engine? Maybe this WAS the RR> right group! GD> At the risk of inflaming a few aboard here, I submit the only thing GD> that an Atomic 4 should be used for is an anchor.... :) Errr....., Geno, having researched parts for that particular boat anchor, I'm not sure if it's good for that! ... Keep the spreaders sort of upright... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Ten Forward BBS, The Olympic Peninsula. (1:350/401.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CF100002 Date: 10/30/95 From: STRUTHER MACFARLANE Time: 09:01am \/To: GEORGE SKINNER (Read 7 times) Subj: Anchor Doubling George: GS=> I actually have a second anchor and if the needs arises I could join the two together. Actually - a very good idea: a suggestion that has been put into PORTS:The Cruising Guide is to connect the second anchor to the first on the SAME RODE (!) via the chain/shackle so that you now have two anchors pulling/holding from the same point but in tandem - it actually increases your holding many times more than by having the two anchors set separately! * OLX 2.1 TD * "Yield to temptation, it may not pass your way again." * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 975-1547 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CF100003 Date: 10/30/95 From: STRUTHER MACFARLANE Time: 09:27am \/To: GEORGE SKINNER (Read 7 times) Subj: Anchor Rode George: GS=>-> Definate agreement here....Although I might suggest 250ft or GS=>-> so......And a maybe 10-12 ft of chain... GS=>Michael: For lake sailing I think that is a little much. I dunno... perhaps the 250' of line is "too" much, but then again, if you've got the room to stow it then there's no such thing as "too" much! Remember it's the scope (angle) that holds the boat, not the length nor the weight of the line/anchor; so 250' of line in 125' of water would not even be within the "guidelines" for anchoring on a "lunch-hook"! Having 10' - 12' of chain certainly isn't too much... in fact, ideally you could have 250' of chain! It would be FAR too heavy for almost all small boats but it IS definitely the best way to go... so having as MUCH chain as you can comfortably stow is what yo should have on the end of your line. * OLX 2.1 TD * "What?!? This isn't the Files section?!?" * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 975-1547 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CF100004 Date: 10/30/95 From: STRUTHER MACFARLANE Time: 09:15am \/To: GENO DELLAMATTIA (Read 7 times) Subj: Atomic-4 Anchor Gino: GD=>At the risk of inflaming a few aboard here, I submit the only thing that an GD=>Atomic 4 should be used for is an anchor.... :) I'd tend to agree 'only' if it's a question of repairing/replacing one... there's still SO many Atomic-4's out there and (should-be-but- isn't-surprising) there's still SO many of 'em working just fine; I think we can expect to see them around for a looong time yet! If it breaks, however, stick in a little diesel or hang a motor off the back! * OLX 2.1 TD * I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere! * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 975-1547 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CF100005 Date: 10/31/95 From: ADAM CZERECHOWICZ Time: 12:01am \/To: GEORGE SKINNER (Read 7 times) Subj: DOG ON BOARD GS> Adam: Yes, the 200 foot anchor line sounds like a good idea and I would GS> go for it myself BUT since I always trailer the boat trying to keep that GS> anchor line from getting tangled is very complicated. I actually have a GS> second anchor and if the needs arises I could join the two together. GS> Looking at the areas in which I have sailed the deepest part seems to GS> have been Lake Simcoe at about 60 feet deep. George, not to belabour a point but the stress on your anchor rode is largely a function of windage, [the area your boat's profile presents to the wind.] My 33-footer has low freeboard, a low, (and rounded) cabin, and not much deck clutter. I calculate the total force on my anchor rode at about 450 lbs on a windy night; so giving myself a safety margin I put together ground tackle rated for over 750 lbs. That takes care of the thickness of the rode and the strength of shackles, etc. But another function of anchor rode is to help the anchor set, especially a Danforth-type, by keeping the anchor stock low. You achieve this by weight and angle: a sinking type of rope [nylon], a length of chain at the anchor, and a long enough rode that the weight of the line itself is a factor. Scope varies from 3:1 ["lunch hook"], 5:1 ["normal"], to 7:1 ["weather's up"]. In a thunderstorm, anchoring in 15 feet of water may involve 75 + 15 = 90 feet of rode. Part of the function of an anchor rode is also to absorb shocks, by stretching. Lake Simcoe can kick up in a squall, the boat "hunts", meets the odd wavecrest head on. Good to have confidence in the ground tackle. OK, 200 feet is excessive to your needs, as a careful sailor. I'll go 100 feet of 1/2" plus 10 feet of chain but that's my last offer. [And I guess I am belabouring the point.] ---acz * OLX 2.1 TD * TRUST your heart, BELIEVE nothing. * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 975-1547 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CF100006 Date: 10/30/95 From: STRUTHER MACFARLANE Time: 08:50am \/To: DAN CEPPA (Read 7 times) Subj: Wetsuited Dogs Dan: DC=>Trust me: My ideas are fully baked! (Apologies to Dustin DC=>Hoffman's writer int he _Graduate_) Huh?.. I don't recall anything from that movie relating to that line... but then, that was a long time ago; and the memory IS fading (a bit) DC=>sailing. Oh well, now I can maybe afford that spinakker! Absolutely!... and what the hell, dogs are "SUPPOSED" to be able to swim on their own, right?(!) You go get your spinakker, and if you MUST; put the second halyard on the dog! * OLX 2.1 TD * Two most common elements in the universe: Hydrogen & Stup * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 975-1547 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CF200000 Date: 10/31/95 From: STRUTHER MACFARLANE Time: 10:52am \/To: ADAM CZERECHOWICZ (Read 7 times) Subj: Anchor Rode Adam: AC=> of the line itself is a factor. Scope varies from 3:1 ["lunch hook"], AC=> 5:1 ["normal"], to 7:1 ["weather's up"]. In a thunderstorm, AC=> anchoring in 15 feet of water may involve 75 + 15 = 90 feet of rode. Just a question about the arithmetic.... in 15' of water a 7:1 ratio for rode:depth would be 105, not 90; and if I was expecting a real "stink" of weather, I'd probably go for a wee bit more (allowing for room to swing - cause you just 'know' the wind is gonna change!). All this while having incorporated in that rode a good length of chain... MINIMUM 15', more like 25' would make me MUCH more comfortable. * OLX 2.1 TD * "Yield to temptation, it may not pass your way again." * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 975-1547 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0)