--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CDL00001 Date: 09/15/95 From: AUGUSTIN HENRIQUES Time: 06:32pm \/To: ALL (Read 6 times) Subj: Send Opinions Please. Hello ALL, It behooves me that dodgers and biminies, etc, aren't waterproof. I've heard of a spray that can be purchased at about $8 a pint that does a semi-reasonable job, but that's not quite good enough. I thought about this and worked out a formulation with a friend that could be a boon to anyone with "canvas" on their boat including sail covers, and boat covers. We've decided on the process, and are happy with the formula. This far, I've used adapted versions as a driveway sealer to test for weathering and durability, and as a finish on a classical guitar which sold for $7,000. It worked very well in both cases. What we will be doing next, is testing it on the actual materials used as covers on boats. We're very satisfied with our cleaner which will easily remove the pvc type material manufacturers use to treat the canvas (which is not really canvas, but we already know all that :^), and are pleased with the properties of our product once applied. It is virtually invisable, 100% waterproof, beads water, easy to wash, totally flexable, one application lasts forever, odourless, non-toxic, waterbased, and since it has the viscosity of water, can be applied perfectly by anyone with a brush in one coat. In cases where the canvas is old and faded, colourfast pigmentation can be added to match the original colour to literally make the cover look new again *and stay that way*! Once applied, you can not tell it is on. People have called me many things in the past, but never have I been called a good marketing guy :^), so before I decide what we're going to do with this stuff, I would very much like to get feedback from all you people with boats, canopys, etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is what I'd like to know: Has it ever bothered you that your canvas wicks water and can be hard to clean? If these products do all that I say they will, would you be interested in using them on your boat? Would you be willing to pay more / less than $50 for enough cleaner and coating to do your entire boat's canvas? (a simple, one time job) Would you be interested in a pigmented coating? Is there anything else you would like it to do? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- All feedback and opinions are very much welcomed and appreciated. You'll be helping me greatly in determining how much time and money I should be investing in this. This product will do far more for your canvas than ArmorAll does for cars! Thank you for your time. Cheers, Augustin~~~=== National Yacht Club, Toronto - S2STOR ... How can it be mizzen if it's still on the boat? * Q-Blue 1.9 [NR] * * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 975-1547 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CDL00002 Date: 09/14/95 From: WARREN CLAYTOR Time: 04:42pm \/To: SVQJZ$`8{GK (Read 6 times) Subj: SAILING --- Maximus/2 3.00 * Origin: TCS Maximus OS/2 BBS (1:395/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CDL00003 Date: 09/13/95 From: BRIAN LINGARD Time: 11:27pm \/To: ALL (Read 6 times) Subj: PROMOTIONAL TRAVEL INC Recently I received sales literature from a firm called PROMOTIONAL TRAVEL offering a week's hotel accommodation in florida and a cruise to the Bahama Islands for US $400 per couple plus a $99 Bahamas port tax. This struck me as a bit expensive so I phoned the Bahamas High Commissioner in Ottawa and they are not aware of this port of arrival tax, but did say the Bahamas have a $15 departure tax. I have my doubts about some of the other claims made by PROMOTIONAL TRAVEL too. has anyone else been approached by them? What was your experience? If it is a scam, I am asking myself which G-man in Washington deals with it? Justice? ICC? FBI? thanks. ... I call things as I see them; If I didn't see them, I make them up! --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Vision Information Systems (1:163/266) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CDL00004 Date: 09/15/95 From: GEORGE SKINNER Time: 11:14pm \/To: ROBERT RAYFIELD (Read 6 times) Subj: fast Siren? 1/ 3 -> With that little weight, it could be possible for your boat to plane, -> like mine does, in a big gust. But, if your hul is fairly flat, the -> boat would have to be upright, less than 10 degrees heel. I would Robert: It seems to be almost too easy to get on a plane. In fact winds of over 20 knots are a bit much for the boat, it likes winds in the low tens. At 20 knots I would probably have to reef the main, and intentionally luff the sails to spill out air. I recently bought a working jib for the windier days. -> a guide, or a reference point, when I am trimming sails in unusual -> conditions. (Sometimes in chop, what feels HORRIBLE, is acutally -> quite fast. It is hard to judge by feel.) I know what you mean while doing the dead run on a windy day (15-20 knots), it almost seemed that we were surfing on some of the waves. I think we were about 1 or 2 knots slower than the wave and it was quite a thrill. Too bad the trip back to our launching area wasn't totally a run. The knotmeter sensor is very close to the center line I guess within a foot, and if we ever heeled over to point where the knotmeter was out of the water we would have to go for a SWIM. George --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0348 * Origin: FidoNet: CRS Online, Toronto, Ontario (1:229/15) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CDL00005 Date: 09/15/95 From: GEORGE SKINNER Time: 11:20pm \/To: MURRAY CLELAND (Read 6 times) Subj: Custom Keels -> GS==>-> It is likely that Edwin would see little performance -> improvement out GS==>-> of an marginally improved keel. His wallet -> weight, however, would GS==>-> definitely be reduced! Murray: I think an improved keel would probably make a big difference in winds of 15 knots and more, just how much of an improvement I couldn't hazard a guess. If someone could say I would get a 10 percent improvement on winds of 15+ knots I would seriously have to make a decision. Of course the biggest factor would be ability to get the boat on the trailer. If it was semi-permanently docked on the water then the trailerable factor would not apply. George --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0348 * Origin: FidoNet: CRS Online, Toronto, Ontario (1:229/15) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CDL00006 Date: 09/15/95 From: RICHARD WHEET Time: 01:44am \/To: ED DEBEE (Read 6 times) Subj: fast Siren? > design of any particular boat and the maximum may be lower or as high as > 1.7. The value of the speed/length ratio is as a comparison within > generic types of craft." Lower.. like in the case of the jungle growing under my boat ... --- * Origin: Bizzbum's House of Ill-Repute (1:388/13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CDL00007 Date: 09/15/95 From: DAN CEPPA Time: 07:58pm \/To: JANINE SCHLADOR (Read 6 times) Subj: Raise the sails, winds up -> On 09-09-95 07:17, Janine Schlador got back to Dan Ceppa -> Also, age is a factor. It can be tough on the more acrobatic -> boats to keep up being the "old man" with too young of a group JS> that is a good point, I am not a spring chick anymore, getting JS> closer to the big 50 mark every year. I will keep that in mind. Thing is, don't let it hold you back either. Fred is a regular participant on Thurs nights and is 80 something... He sails single handedly an M-scow. -> Are they "blood and guts" with a pre-rigged protest flag? (true -> story, BTW, though it does have a happy ending!) Are they willing -> to help you to learn the techniques to make you competitive? -> JS> so tell me the story, I love good stories that end well. Well, the other Frank really did, and still does, have a self-unfurling protest flag ready to fly at a moment's notice. We suspect it's attached to the tiller with a very small whisper of a cord to hold it in place. Anyhow, he used to fly it and about a dozen of the same every night he raced with us. Though some of them were waranted, the bulk of them weren't. Well, he took a beating on most all hearings and threatened to quite the series. As his home waters "dried up" to racing, he had second thoughts. As it stands now, he's one of our best spokesman for not only settling disputes, he's become a very great teacher of the same rules he tried to use to his advantage. BTW, he still does have the flag ready to launch, but he doesn't use it very often. In fact, in one race, the skipper of my boat took off his outboard. We did the necessary 720 and he never cried at all. (At least until he realized that his old, must be replaced outboard was STILL with him!) -> Well, to cut it short, at least give it a go and keep the long -> thing with the cloth more or less out of the water! JS> JS> Well that does seem to be a major problem sometimes :) JS> Thanks for the input. later, Janine No problem! I just got my stem plate fixed and I should be back in the water real soon. With, I hope, the real tall end staying upright! ... Room at the mark? Do you have a reservation?? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Ten Forward BBS, The Olympic Peninsula. (1:350/401.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: CDM00000 Date: 09/16/95 From: RICHARD WHEET Time: 04:39am \/To: DAN CEPPA (Read 6 times) Subj: fast Siren? 1/ 3 > To me, it's not the trophy so much as the participation, > though a 1st Place does always look well... At our lake, the typical answer to the question: When do you know when the race is over? ..... when the Catalina 270 crosses the finish line --- * Origin: Bizzbum's House of Ill-Repute (1:388/13)