--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5X00012 Date: 05/24/95 From: AUGUSTIN HENRIQUES Time: 05:45pm \/To: GEORGE LIMA JR. (Read 6 times) Subj: Re: sailboats Hi George, ----------------- GLJ> Hello my name is George Lima Jr. I own the sailboat I was using Bob's GLJ> computer because my own was not operating. Please direct your GLJ> questions about it to me here. If you are really interested you may GLJ> call me at work 401-683-0457 or fax me at 401-683-0457 and I will be GLJ> able to give you all the information you want. Thanks for the response. GLJ> s ------------------------------------- Sorry, but Bob had spelled my name incorrectly, so it took a while before I got his response... this means that I no longer have the original post as it was deleted with the old mail packet. From what I understood in the last post, the boat is wooden and needing some minor repairs. I don't have the specs for it, but I may be interested if it's a cruiser or suitable for liveaboard. I'd like to know it's dimensions, age, type of construction, and asking price. Cheers, Augustin~~~=== National Yacht Club, Toronto - S2STOR ... If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? * Q-Blue 1.9 [NR] * * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 322-6814 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5X00013 Date: 05/26/95 From: MIKE NEVERDOSKY Time: 10:21am \/To: ROBERT SMINKEY (Read 6 times) Subj: Rules of the Road On (24 May 95) Robert Sminkey wrote to Mike Neverdosky... RS> Mike, I have received your 1000 20MAY95 LIVEABOARDS message to RS> me...which critiques my 18MAY95 LIVEABOARDS message to Dan Ceppa. RS> Your message reveals that you have much to learn about the Rules Personal attacks are not appropriate for this (or any except FLAME) echo. I did not attack you. I stated that there are other possible interpretations of the rule you quoted. RS> "EVERY vessel shall AT ALL TIMES maintain a proper lookout RS> by sight and hearing..." RS> You have interpreted that rule to mean that a proper lookout is RS> not a continuous lookout. If the rules were meant to say "CONTINUOUS LOOKOUT" they would have said "CONTINUOUS LOOKOUT". RS> Since you obviously do not comprehend nor RS> understand some portions of the English language, there is no reason Another personal attack. I understand english very well, thank you. RS> for me, or anyone else for that matter, to spend additional time RS> rebutting the several incorrect statements in your rebuttal to me. So you don't want to have a logical discussion but you do want to impune my intellegence, education, responsibility, and skill? If you have a sound logical argument to present then state it. Keep the ad hominum to yourself. RS> However, the bottom line is: If you are single-handing on Inland RS> Waters or on the High Seas, you are in violation of Federal law every RS> time you go below...for whatever reason. That's not me telling you RS> that; that's the Federal government. --- Bob --- What is your official standing with the Federal Government, that you can speak for it? MY POINT; 1. Why is rule 5 used to slam singlehanding but is NEVER applied to large vessels? Simplying having someone on the bridge is NOT a "proper lookout". The person must be able to see and HEAR and take EFFECTIVE ACTION to avoid a collision. 2. If a vessel requires several miles to turn or stop to avoid a collision, then they are going too fast and are in violation of the rules. I may have the right of way (be the stand on vessel) showing legal lights, they may even see my lights, but if they can't go around me then they are in violation. 3. How many large vessels have you see where the watch standers can hear anything smaller than the whistle of another large vessel. I have encountered many vessels on the ocean that did not even respond to whistle of a large vessel (Navy warship). The last I heard, the rules are supposed to apply to EVERYONE, not just to singlehanders. mike ... ... Do YOU trust a government that won't obey it's OWN laws? --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: N6CHV, Mike's Point Orlando, FL (1:363/187.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5X00014 Date: 05/25/95 From: VERLE STROHM Time: 12:25pm \/To: MIKE NEVERDOSKY (Read 6 times) Subj: married to the shore On May 5,1995, Mike Neverdosky wrote to Verle Strohm: MN>A swim is a LOT easier and safer with the PFD. I think the very poignant message posted by Struther McFarlane about the drowning of a young girl pretty much says it all about this man-overboard thread. It's very sad but gave me a lot to think about and discuss with our sailing friends. We've decided the best time to practice these drills are during a storm. Also we've been wondering about life saving devices. We have a horseshoe, which is light and will probably not go where we want it to. One friend has a ring, it's so heavy, if it hit the person, would probably knock them out. Any suggestions? MN>I'm not certain, but I think more people drown in lakes than in the MN>ocean. Also a majority of male drowning victims are found with MN>their fly open. They fell overboard while taking a leak. :-) I read that item in Pacific Yachting! Also a very good article about man overboard. Regards, -Verle- MN>Good luck and have fun! MN>mike MN>... Take me back to Antarctica MN>--- PPoint 1.92 MN> * Origin: N6CHV, Mike's Point Orlando, FL (1:363/187.2) MN> * wcECHO 4.0 = Canadian Coast Guard BBS, Victoria, BC (604) 363-0295 * SLMR 2.1a * Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. * wcECHO 4.0 = Canadian Coast Guard BBS, Victoria, BC (604) 363-0295 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5Y00000 Date: 05/26/95 From: BOB FRANCIS Time: 07:22pm \/To: LEE LESTER (Read 6 times) Subj: sailboats -> BF>* Origin: Exec-PC BBS > World's Largest BBS (414-789-4360) < (1:15 -> -> Maybe you can find out: Is it really the world's biggest BBS. I rathe -> fancy that title might have been held by Toronto's MAGIC BBS, with mo -> than 5,000 subscribers before it went commercial a year or so back. -> -> * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 322-6814 -> -> -> --- WM v3.11/93-0359 -> * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) Hi, i don't understand the message? bob --- GOMail v2.0v5 Beta [94-0085] * Origin: SAILBOAT BBS RI 253-6207 (1:323/1013) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5Y00001 Date: 05/26/95 From: GEORGE LIMA JR. Time: 11:18pm \/To: ALL (Read 6 times) Subj: sailboat for sale Greetings, it is now Memorial Day weekend and I haven't sold my boat yet! Kirby 34, Cold Moulded Cedar, built by Eric Goetz, the Americas' Cup boatbuilder. Structural rebuild and paint job, new keel, cabin house sides, interior rebuild (almost done) please call for information 401-253-2932, willing to trade for smaller boat and balance or just balance try 15k. I want to sail this summer but I am overwhelmed by this project it has been too long and I am tired of it. How about a MORC 26 is there anyone out there? Send me a note or call, thanks from George. --- GOMail v2.0v5 Beta [94-0085] * Origin: SAILBOAT BBS RI 253-6207 (1:323/1013) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5Y00002 Date: 05/27/95 From: DAN CEPPA Time: 08:56pm \/To: GENO DELLAMATTIA (Read 6 times) Subj: The reluctant teenager -> On 05-23-95 22:46, Geno Dellamattia got back to Dan Ceppa DC> Yeah, Geno, but what did he do when the daughter wanted to DC> borrow the boat for the weekend? GD> That hasn't come up yet..... :) Well, maybe this can help.... When the question arises, they can take the boat *after* they do the bottom paint. At least the dad will know that the guy is serious, about sailing at least! ... Swing my compass ? No way, I might drop it..... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Ten Forward BBS, The Olympic Peninsula. (1:350/401.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5Y00003 Date: 05/26/95 From: STRUTHER MACFARLANE Time: 05:17pm \/To: JACKSON HARDING (Read 6 times) Subj: Liveaboards Jackson: JH=> It pays to remember that not many liveaboards are under 32-35 JH=>and many are above 40-45' so there is plenty of room below to utilise. Oft Yup - no argument there... who'd even "want" to live for an extended length of time in something the equivalent size of the average kitchen? JH=>real easy to work on the donk when you had to. In a heavy sea the ockpit JH=>often more comfortable because it was more stable with less pitching, altho JH=>you did have to crane your neck more to look at the main and with a big gen JH=>up you could see very little off the leeward bow and beam. It was also a t JH=>in a following sea, no big greenies jumping into the cockpit with you :-) All good points!... I've only been on a centre-cockpit boat once (Hughes 35 ) and, though I didn't particularly like it, I didn't really have any reason "not" to like it, either. I guess it's like everything else in boats... they are a compendium of comprimises: and it all boils down to personal taste. Though the one thing you said is truly the one "BOG" truth - the fact that liveaboards/long-distance cruisers are usually 35+ feet, that opens up the beam a whole lot and allows for a LOT of interior room. Nice chattin' with you! * OLX 2.1 TD * A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer. * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 322-6814 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5Y00004 Date: 05/26/95 From: LEE LESTER Time: 11:15am \/To: VERLE STROHM (Read 6 times) Subj: married to the shore VS> We have a horseshoe, which is light and will probably not go where VS> we want it to. One friend has a ring, it's so heavy, if it hit the VS> person, would probably knock them out. Any suggestions? Every country in the world okayed the horshoe lifesaver except Canada which defrended the ring type until a year or so ago. The horseshoetype can, because of its lighter weight, be more easily thrown by a small or less-muscled person, e.g. a child or small woman. One doesn't have to duck under it or try and raise it above the head to make use of it unlike the ring type. And it is not going to knock anyone unconscious. But, getting back to racing, I don't see that the modern inflating collar type lifesaver, shouldn't be used by competitors. It is lightweight, non-restrictive of movement and usually not uncomfortable. The automatic inflation types are wellworth the extra cost although they do require inspection every year or so. Again, Canada has lagged every other nation on this one as this type has been commonly found in Europe for more than a decade. * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 322-6814 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0)