--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5N00001 Date: 05/16/95 From: AUGUSTIN HENRIQUES Time: 04:25pm \/To: ALL (Read 8 times) Subj: Douglas Hi All, I was wondering if anybody knows anything about Douglas sailboats in the 30's foot range. I would especially like to know if they age well, sail well, and are reasonably reliable and easy to maintain. Thanks for any comments. Cheers, Augustin~~~=== National Yacht Club, Toronto - S2STOR ... Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn. * Q-Blue 1.9 [NR] * * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 322-6814 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5N00002 Date: 05/16/95 From: ROBERT RAYFIELD Time: 04:49pm \/To: AUGUSTIN HENRIQUES (Read 8 times) Subj: Douglas AH> Hi All, AH> I was wondering if anybody knows anything about Douglas AH>sailboats in the 30's foot range. I would especially like to know if they AH>age well, sail well, and are reasonably reliable and easy to maintain. Augustin, Try posting this on (1). These may be the same as Hughes - designed by S&S and built???? (??) Good luck. r * OLX 2.1 TD * ...what if there were no hypothetical situations? * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 322-6814 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5N00003 Date: 05/16/95 From: STRUTHER MACFARLANE Time: 09:11am \/To: AUGUSTIN HENRIQUES (Read 8 times) Subj: Re: Liveaboards Augustin: So how's the hunt going, old chap? BTW - I didn't see you at the club after the cruise last night... true, I had my crew out from 5:45 until 8:30!..... who'd you sail with? * OLX 2.1 TD * All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here. * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 322-6814 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5N00004 Date: 05/16/95 From: AUGUSTIN HENRIQUES Time: 05:08pm \/To: STRUTHER MACFARLANE (Read 8 times) Subj: Re: Liveaboards Hi Struther, ----------- SM> So how's the hunt going, old chap? SM> BTW - I didn't see you at the club after the cruise last night... true, SM> I had my crew out from 5:45 until 8:30!..... who'd you sail with? ----------- The hunt goes somewhat slowly but that's okay, I'm sailing for the time being, and sooner or later, I will get my own boat! I was out with Trevor and George on the club's Hughes 38', Sin Fin (that's Spanish for "Without End"). A very basic boat, but sails very well - 21 years old and still fit as a fiddle. I was up at the bar looking for you (while having a beer :^), but didn't see you so I left (nothing worse than drinking a beer alone). I was pulling out of the parking lot when I saw you guys motoring through the western gap. We had a beer, sailed the race course, had a beer, then came in. Lots of fun! It's still a bit too basic for me, but I still manage to pick up a few things that makes going out with a class fun and worthwhile... like how to use Tattle Tails, how to fit a bottle of beer into a pocket without spilling any, and that the white bouys by the airport are not there to practise slalom sailing. I'm definitely looking forward to the rest of the course. Once the more basic cruising material is done with, we can get into some real serious racing like some of those match races, or the across-the-lake-and-back overnighters. Cheers, Augustin~~~=== National Yacht Club, Toronto - S2STOR ... I eat my coffee straight from the can. Why dilute it? * Q-Blue 1.9 [NR] * * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 322-6814 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5N00005 Date: 05/16/95 From: AUGUSTIN HENRIQUES Time: 05:36pm \/To: ROBERT SMINKEY (Read 8 times) Subj: Re: Liveaboards Hi Robert, Your recommendation of the Cape Dory to Jeff Duerr is excellent - as is your attitude towards liveaboard sailing. My question to you though, is why an aft cockpit? I always thought that a center cockpit would give more room below and less motion from pitching for the helmsman - maybe a bit more salty spray in the face too, but we can't always have everything . Would a three-quarter cockpit offer the best solution? Cheers, Augustin~~~=== National Yacht Club, Toronto - S2STOR ... Give a child a hammer and everything needs pounding. * Q-Blue 1.9 [NR] * * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 322-6814 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5N00006 Date: 05/16/95 From: STRUTHER MACFARLANE Time: 08:04am \/To: RICH LITTLE (Read 8 times) Subj: Museum... Rich: RL=> SM> stuff of which bagpipes were made until somebody noticed a few RL=> SM> elephants had gone missing. RL=> Somebody noticed that *nearly all* the elephants had gone missing. My apologies for seeming to have "upset" you - the comment I made to John Summers was meant to be "flip" and "off-hand"... not callous. RL=> SM> Glad to see the elepahants are being RL=> SM> protected, RL=> Yes. I hope it is enough. Sadly - I doubt that it WILL be enough. RL=> SM> sad to see everything made today of plastic. RL=> I see no reason to expect that instrument makers of the past would have RL=>thought differently. To the *user* of any tool its intrinsic beauty lies RL=>mostly in its effectiveness. Ebony and ivory were the most durable and RL=>workable materials of the time for that purpose. This is no longer the cas Not quite, Rich.... there "ARE" some things, even today with all the very technologically advanced materials available which will NEVER match the materials and associated workmanship of the "old ways". I made mention of my beloved bagpipes: the ebony and ivory mentioned DID, in fact, produce a better sound; and can you imagine a violin produced of plastic or carbon fibre? It might produce a "sound" - but it will NEVER be capable of producing "THE" sound. Please don't misunderstand - I abhor the killing of animals, ANY animals, for their tusks, skins, teeth, gall bladders, or whatever. But there are some alternatives.... how about a "farm" where some of these exotic animals are bred/grown like any other cash crop? We tend to forget an animal dies so we can enjoy our Big Mac. For those who desire to have "truly traditional" objects - they must be willing to pay the price (dollar, not conscience or ecological) for their material of choice. Just an opinion... Cheers, Rich! * OLX 2.1 TD * Drop your carrier ... we have you surrounded! * S2S Toronto, Ontario (416) 322-6814 --- WM v3.11/93-0359 * Origin: Ship to Shore, Vancouver,BC [604]540-9596 (1:153/7064.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5N00007 Date: 05/17/95 From: GENO DELLAMATTIA Time: 04:01pm \/To: ROBERT KNAPP (Read 8 times) Subj: The reluctant teenager RK> What do you do with a 17 yr. old daughter who doesn't enjoy RK> sailing (several days cruise on a 26' sloop) and lets everyone on RK> have similar experiences and maybe some success?? One of the boats in our fleet has the same problem with his two daughters. Solution was to invite their _boyfriends_ along. Amazing how interested the girls are now..... --- GoldED/2 v2.42.G1125+ (0764CD) * Origin: S2S Mail Machine (1:153/764) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5N00008 Date: 05/18/95 From: ROBERT SMINKEY Time: 09:08am \/To: DAN CEPPA (Read 10 times) Subj: Liveaboards Dan, Most sailboats designed to win races "on the racing circuit" do not make good liveaboard boats for several reasons...and, these reasons are generalities, not specifics: 1. They have high-aspect rigs. 2. They are lightly built. 3. Their keels and rudders do not take groundings well. 4. Their interior "facilities" are minimal. 5. Below deck ventilation is poor. 6. They are "wet." I never raced. Just was not my "bag." I was a cruiser. To me, sailing to places I had never been before, "exploring" those new locations, eating their "specialties," and "feeling" the people out on how they viewed various aspects of our society, etc., etc....that, to me, was what living aboard and cruising was all about. That is, getting out and seeing some of the rest of the world. One learns a lot doing that...and soon sees "things" from several different aspects. A good cruising, liveaboard sailboat should be easy to handle under most conditions with a minimum of crew (like with you and your wife or girlfriend). It should not "break" when "things" start to get rough or don't go right...like getting hit with a line squall or running aground). The boat should ride good in most encountered sea conditions...and should not take water aboard except under adverse conditions. Below decks, the layout should be comfortable, attractive, and utilitarian. Remember, that is where you live. And, this is a "biggie"...you must be able to ventilate below decks. This means having lots of opening ports and hatches...and "scoops." Also, it is most important that you have lots of lockers, drawers, cubby holes, etc., in which to store your possessions, gear, and provisions. When "ready for sea," you should see no gear adrift topside or below-decks. If you do, "you'll be sorry." A boat with a deep bilge area provides additional margins of safety if you take on water...which you will. Both the Inland and International Rules of the Road have this to say about lookouts in Rule 5: "Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of risk of collision." This means that a "single hander" sailboat, underway, is in violation of federal law everytime he goes below for whatever reason: to go to the head, to get something to eat, to sleep, etc. In my opinion, it is also kind of dumb (and dangerous) to be moving through the water without seeing what is going on. One can get killed doing that. Accordingly, I'm against sailboats being underway with only one person on board. I have done it and was sorry every time. Too many things "come up" aboard a sailboat that require the use of more than one pair of hands. I think it's dangerous to go out...alone. One ability that is sadly lacking in many boaters is being able to extract the information that is provided by a nautical chart. You would be amazed at the number of "boaters" that cannot "read" a chart. Don't you be one of them...or you could end up getting hurt..or worse. There are several good navigation primers that can be purchased in many bookstores that, in addition to "teaching" you how to read charts, will give you the basics (and finer points) of the "Art of Navigation." The ones that come to mind are: The American Practical Navigator by Nathaniel Bowditch, and Dutton's Navigation and Piloting by Elbert S. Maloney. They are mighty interesting reading, too. Chart Number 1 titled Nautical Chart Symbols and Abbreviations is a handy publication to have on board. So is the United States Coast Pilot for the area in which you are navigating. (Be wary of some of the information contained in some of the so-called "cruising guides." They are not always all that correct or accurate). I prefer the government publications. And, don't forget to have in your boat library a copy of the Rules of the Road...and know what they are. These are my opinions. Other people have theirs. You pick. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Hafa Adai Exchange, Great Mills MD 301-994-9460/62 (1:2612/114.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5Q00000 Date: 05/19/95 From: DOUG PURDY Time: 02:10pm \/To: RON BYRNE (Read 8 times) Subj: Great Sacandaga Sailing Race Hey Ron. Making arangements to move my catalina thirty to the lake from champlain so I can sail in the race. (just kidding) I live in moreau and saw your post from local. Just saying high from the Royal Savage Yacht Club on Champlain. Hope your event goes well. Doug --- COMNET v1.33b * Origin: QMS Connection [Queensbury, NY] (1:267/19) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 254 SAILING Ref: C5R00000 Date: 05/18/95 From: JEAN PARROT Time: 06:24pm \/To: EDWIN AUTY (Read 8 times) Subj: boats Can you tell me if C&C accross the lake are still in business? Nothing heard for a long while! Thanks. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Arcane BBS -- home of the Sysopasaurus (1:167/116)